Patrick J. Buchanan: Is America coming apart?

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Is America coming apart?


Patrick J. Buchanan | World Net Daily
September 10, 2009


Flying home from London, where the subject of formal debate on the 70th anniversary of World War II had been whether Winston Churchill was a liability or asset to the Free World, one arrives in the middle of a far more acrimonious national debate right here in the United States.

At issue: Should Barack Obama be allowed to address tens of millions of American children, inside their classrooms, during school hours?

Conservative talk-show hosts saw a White House scheme to turn public schools into indoctrination centers where the socialist ideology of Obama would be spoon-fed to captive audiences of children forced to listen to Big Brother -- and then do assignments on his sermon.

The liberal commentariat raged about right-wing paranoia.

Yet Byron York of the Washington Examiner dug back to 1991 to discover that, when George H.W. Bush went to Alice Deal Junior High to speak to America's school kids, the left lost it.

"The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," railed the Washington Post. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was called before a House committee. The National Education Association denounced Bush. And Congress ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate.

Obama's actual speech proved about as controversial as a Nancy Reagan appeal to eighth-graders to "Just say no!" to drugs.

Yet, the episode reveals the poisoned character of our politics.

We saw it earlier on display in August, when the crowds that came out for town hall meetings to oppose Obama's health-care plans were called "thugs," "fascists," "racists" and "evil-mongers" by national Democrats.

We see it as Rep. Joe Wilson shouts, "You lie!" at the president during his address to a joint session of Congress.

We seem not only to disagree with each other more than ever, but to have come almost to detest one another. Politically, culturally, racially, we seem ever ready to go for each others' throats.

One half of America sees abortion as the annual slaughter of a million unborn. The other half regards the right-to-life movement as tyrannical and sexist.

Proponents of gay marriage see its adversaries as homophobic bigots. Opponents see its champions as seeking to elevate unnatural and immoral relationships to the sacred state of traditional marriage.

The question invites itself. In what sense are we one nation and one people anymore? For what is a nation if not a people of a common ancestry, faith, culture and language, who worship the same God, revere the same heroes, cherish the same history, celebrate the same holidays and share the same music, poetry, art and literature?

Yet, today, Mexican-Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo, a skirmish in a French-Mexican war about which most Americans know nothing, which took place the same year as two of the bloodiest battles of our own Civil War: Antietam and Fredericksburg.

Christmas and Easter, the great holidays of Christendom, once united Americans in joy. Now we fight over whether they should even be mentioned, let alone celebrated, in our public schools.

Where we used to have classical, pop, country & Western and jazz music, now we have varieties tailored to specific generations, races and ethnic groups. Even our music seems designed to subdivide us.

One part of America loves her history, another reviles it as racist, imperialist and genocidal. Old heroes like Columbus, Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee are replaced by Dr. King and Cesar Chavez.

But the old holidays, heroes and icons endure, as the new have yet to put down roots in a recalcitrant Middle America.

We are not only more divided than ever on politics, faith and morality, but along the lines of class and ethnicity. Those who opposed Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court and stood by Sgt. Crowley in the face-off with Harvard's Henry Louis Gates were called racists. But this time they did not back down. They threw the same vile word right back in the face of their accusers, and Barack Obama.

Consider but a few issues on which Americans have lately been bitterly divided: school prayer, the Ten Commandments, evolution, the death penalty, abortion, homosexuality, assisted suicide, affirmative action, busing, the Confederate battle flag, the Duke rape case, Terri Schiavo, Iraq, amnesty, torture.

Now it is death panels, global warming, "birthers" and socialism. If a married couple disagreed as broadly and deeply as Americans do on such basic issues, they would have divorced and gone their separate ways long ago. What is it that still holds us together?

The European-Christian core of the country that once defined us is shrinking, as Christianity fades, the birth rate falls and Third World immigration surges. Globalism dissolves the economic bonds, while the cacophony of multiculturalism displaces the old American culture.

"E pluribus unum" – out of many, one - was the national motto the men of '76 settled upon. One sees the pluribus. But where is the unum? One sees the diversity. But where is the unity?

Is America, too, breaking up?


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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109478
 
If a married couple disagreed as broadly and deeply as Americans do on such basic issues, they would have divorced and gone their separate ways long ago. What is it that still holds us together?

A couple million federal, state and local goon enforcers, that's what holds us together.

A sizable and growing minority of people, I include myself, are looking for a divorce.

We could walk away...

We're just not ready to let the ex have the kids, home, cars and bank accounts.
 
Pat Buchanan is right. A lot of the things that made America into the great power she is (or was) are being spit on today. Western civlization is slowly murdering itself, and the same socialist fools that are putting Europe into its grave are trying to bury this country as well. Political correctness and the "new culture" are diseases which will kill our Republic unless we wake up more people.
 
A couple million federal, state and local goon enforcers, that's what holds us together.

A sizable and growing minority of people, I include myself, are looking for a divorce.

We could walk away...

We're just not ready to let the ex have the kids, home, cars and bank accounts.

Exactly. Maybe a few more fire arms and we won't even have to go to the judge to separate.:p:confused::eek:
 
Yes, Pat-those of us who love liberty are breaking apart from those who love government (slowly, but surely) ;)
 
Yes, Pat-those of us who love liberty are breaking apart from those who love government (slowly, but surely) ;)

Not quite. If anything the amount of those supporting the growth of the state is swelling.

The key to destoying the state is self-responsiblity and self-reliance. The state loves and relishes our current culture of debauchery and decadence if anything else it creates a society of dependents that cannot regulate, govern, or take care of themselves.

The size of a government in Western society correlates to how childish and irresponsibly its citizenry are.

Many here need to realize that the battle being faced goes beyond political boundaries.
 
It's time for a divorce, that much is obvious. I want to live with people who respect my rights and do not trample them. I belong to myself, that is I own myself. And thereofore anything I produce using my own facilities is mine as well, otherwise someone else is laying claim to my life.

I have always been willing to let socialists live in there own way, as logn as such things were voluntary. The problem is they will not leave people alone. They believe the minds. bodies, and lives of Americans to not belong to them but to some fictional entity called society.

It's a sickness or madness. But I have no problem with people practicing socialism as logn as it is voluntary....but then again socialism is defined by the violence that allows it's existence.
 
The balkanization and devolving into a 3rd-rate country.

Pretty much.
 
A couple million federal, state and local goon enforcers, that's what holds us together.

A sizable and growing minority of people, I include myself, are looking for a divorce.

We could walk away...

We're just not ready to let the ex have the kids, home, cars and bank accounts.

Well put.
 
Not quite. If anything the amount of those supporting the growth of the state is swelling.

The key to destoying the state is self-responsiblity and self-reliance. The state loves and relishes our current culture of debauchery and decadence if anything else it creates a society of dependents that cannot regulate, govern, or take care of themselves.

The size of a government in Western society correlates to how childish and irresponsibly its citizenry are.

Many here need to realize that the battle being faced goes beyond political boundaries.

I was referring to anarchists/individualists who don't rely on the State. You have good points otherwise. :cool:
 
'We saw it earlier on display in August, when the crowds that came out for town hall meetings to oppose Obama's health-care plans were called "thugs," "fascists," "racists" and "evil-mongers" by national Democrats...'

...even as SEIU members beat up some of those protestors. It seems the pot has to call the kettle black, or at least feels the need to.

Divorce, yeah--build a wall between Baltimore and Fredrick, extend it just west of that town down to Fredricksburg, and back to the Atlantic. Call it the Washington Wall and call everything within it the anti-Gault island.

That said, I think our best strategy is to stop being divisive. Just freaking stop it. Tell yourself over and over, no matter if they talk like Che Guevara and/or look like something out of that Wal Mart People thread, that every American is your brother or sister and try to find a way to be inclusive. Because if Americans forget that we are all Americans, how big a boon is that to the forces of globalization? Can you think of a bigger victory for them?
 
The balkanization and devolving into a 3rd-rate country.

Pretty much.

Have hope, Cowlesy, that at least SOMEWHERE in the breakup there will be a place that embraces the principles of liberty...

I have hope...
 
Tell yourself over and over, no matter if they talk like Che Guevara and/or look like something out of that Wal Mart People thread, that every American is your brother or sister and try to find a way to be inclusive.

NO.

Every "American" is NOT my brother or sister and I will NOT tell myself ANY MORE that such a LIE is true.
 
NO.

Every "American" is NOT my brother or sister and I will NOT tell myself ANY MORE that such a LIE is true.

I understand what you mean. That wasn't a good choice of words, was it--tends to lead to the 'brother's keeper' trap. But, you know, there's still a strong spirit of self-reliance and a strong love of liberty here that they haven't killed yet, and that's stronger than the issues they use to drive those 'left/right' divisions.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, a kind word turns away wrath and helps people see who the real enemy is. We need to stop letting our enemies define the term 'enemy'. For some reason, they always seem to get it wrong...
 
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Pat's barely even trying to hide it anymore. I guess that's what happens when you're really really old and only have a couple years left. Why hide your true beliefs at this point?

We seem not only to disagree with each other more than ever, but to have come almost to detest one another. Politically, culturally, racially, we seem ever ready to go for each others' throats.

Not really. Pat's living in his own little world where people are obsessed with politics and race and that's all they care about. People disagree politically, but most aren't going to kill over it. I have friends across the political spectrum, racial spectrum and religious spectrum. Go to any college campus - people don't divide themselves by political views.

The question invites itself. In what sense are we one nation and one people anymore? For what is a nation if not a people of a common ancestry, faith, culture and language, who worship the same God, revere the same heroes, cherish the same history, celebrate the same holidays and share the same music, poetry, art and literature?

Now we get to the crux of the matter. This is Pat's problem. We don't share the same ancestry or faith... Again - he's barely trying to hide it anymore.

Where we used to have classical, pop, country & Western and jazz music, now we have varieties tailored to specific generations, races and ethnic groups. Even our music seems designed to subdivide us.

Which music are you talking about Pat? Must be that evil rap music :D

The European-Christian core of the country that once defined us is shrinking, as Christianity fades, the birth rate falls and Third World immigration surges. Globalism dissolves the economic bonds, while the cacophony of multiculturalism displaces the old American culture.

He sums it up nicely here. This is his problem 100%. Less European, less Christian, more non-whites. I know that sucks for you Pat but you're a dying breed - perhaps that is why you got 1% of the vote last time you ran.

Pat is a harmless old racist white guy who's bitter because the nation he grew up in (read segregation) is long gone. He has a couple years left and he'll become even more bitter as time goes on.

The only thing I question is why this guy is help up as some kind of icon on RPF. When his message is not at all similar to that of Ron Paul.
 
Pat's barely even trying to hide it anymore. I guess that's what happens when you're really really old and only have a couple years left. Why hide your true beliefs at this point?



Not really. Pat's living in his own little world where people are obsessed with politics and race and that's all they care about. People disagree politically, but most aren't going to kill over it. I have friends across the political spectrum, racial spectrum and religious spectrum. Go to any college campus - people don't divide themselves by political views.



Now we get to the crux of the matter. This is Pat's problem. We don't share the same ancestry or faith... Again - he's barely trying to hide it anymore.



Which music are you talking about Pat? Must be that evil rap music :D



He sums it up nicely here. This is his problem 100%. Less European, less Christian, more non-whites. I know that sucks for you Pat but you're a dying breed - perhaps that is why you got 1% of the vote last time you ran.

Pat is a harmless old racist white guy who's bitter because the nation he grew up in (read segregation) is long gone. He has a couple years left and he'll become even more bitter as time goes on.

The only thing I question is why this guy is help up as some kind of icon on RPF. When his message is not at all similar to that of Ron Paul.

Examples? I have read Pat's book and articles. All I have seen is that he states the facts about the history of the world and this country which might make some uncomfortable since it is counter to beliefs they learned in the public school system. That is hardly racist and it would do you some good to educate yourself by reading Pats books rather than make an ignorant racist accusations.
 
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Examples? I have read Pat's book and articles. All I have seen is that he states the facts about the history of the world and this country which might make some uncomfortable since it is counter to beliefs they learned in the public school system. That is hardly racist and it would do you some good to educate yourself by reading Pats books rather than make an ignorant racist accusations.

I've read and seen enough of Pat to know. If you can't see it in the article posted then you have blinders on.

For what is a nation if not a people of a common ancestry, faith, culture and language, who worship the same God?

I'd argue that you can have a nation of people who are not all of the same faith and ancestry (read: race). Then again I'm not racist.
 
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