Patrick J. Buchanan: Is America coming apart?

[KramerDSP]

I don't like this article.
Buchannan is taking minor issues like abortion and gay marriage and claiming they are dividing the country? Nonsense.

The real division is between the freedom lovers and the statists.

I agree 1000% with you. He was headed in the right direction, but then he lost me.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't like this article.
Buchannan is taking minor issues like abortion and gay marriage and claiming they are dividing the country? Nonsense.

The real division is between the freedom lovers and the statists.

Most people don't stop to think on these terms though. They take a stand against or for issues. Most don't stop to think that if they involve government (especially at the federal level) in the solution of the perceived problem, they are destroying the very thing that they think they are defending.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Read these essays if you want to better understand the point Buchanan is trying to make:

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-the-return-of-ethnic-nationalism-956

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-globalism-vs-ethnonationalism-1381

Buchanan fears balkanization. Traditionally, balkanization has happened when there was no ethnic or political majority in a country or nation. Presently we are balkanizing for political reasons.

That's not what Pat is arguing. I've read his work. Pay argues that we're coming apart because we're not as European (read: white) or Christian (read: too many Jews) as we aught to be. This is exactly what he states in this article that everyone here is so psyched about. Pat is pissed because "blacks and other non-whites are becoming too numerous and uppity" - he just says it a little bit nicer.

 

[BlackTerrel]

"I was born black, I attended all-Negro schools including college, I grew up in the segregated South during Jim Crow. If anybody knows a racist, I do. Pat Buchanan ain't no racist." - Ezola Foster

Ezola Foster isn't a spokeswoman for black people. I know tons of black people, none of them has ever expressed admiration for this woman.

Pat's own words are what he should be judged by. His views are clear.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Pat is right. Too much diversity, not enough unity. 3rd world people = third world nation.

Could you clarify? 3rd world people, 3rd world nation?

 

[Pod]

He sums it up nicely here. This is his problem 100%. Less European, less Christian, more non-whites. I know that sucks for you Pat but you're a dying breed - perhaps that is why you got 1% of the vote last time you ran.

Pat is a harmless old racist white guy who's bitter because the nation he grew up in (read segregation) is long gone. He has a couple years left and he'll become even more bitter as time goes on.

What a good way of proving Buchanan`s point. You can`t even read his piece word by word, but are instead moved to have a knee-jerk reaction and go spout a load of crappola.

Nothing to do with segregation. Nice attack on the person rather than the argument here. Quite the opoosite, Buchanan is here lamenting the lack of integration. It is cultural fragmentation within the US that has him worried.

For Buchanan integration isn`t just people taking a crap in the same shitters, but people being gathered under one single cultural umbrella. He is lamenting and voicing concern about Americans being taught different versions of history, marking different holidays and celebrating different heroes.

He is seeing his All-American culture on the retreat, in its place a pool of many particular, fragmented cultures arising which are at odds with one another and seemingly incapable of dialogue.

It used to be that Americans shared a somewhat similar world outlook and many similar tastes and goals so dialogue was always possible, but now more and more alienation, fragmentation are arising in its place curbing the possibility of dialogue and giving rise to open hostility and intolerance.

As demonstrated by your own posts here. You are so far removed from Buchanan`s world you can`t even begin to recognise what is he saying, but instead just automaticaly respond with poisonous hostility.

 

[rprprs]

I think that if one were to read this article knowing absolutely nothing about Pat Buchanan, one could still easily recognize the author's cultural and ethnic bias. I'm also sure that if Pat were to propose "solutions", many of those would not be deemed acceptable to most in these forums.

Nonetheless, I believe the overall point he makes here is spot on and undeniable. The various factions in this country...racial, cultural, political, etc...are digging their heels in deeper every day. The divisions are widening and, most regrettably, these divisions are all fostered by a government that feeds off them.

Despite whatever faults we can find with its author, the article is insightful and thought-provoking.

 

[Pericles]

The only way such a society, or nation/state can endure, is if there is another, larger, transmutable truth and philosophy in which to bind people together.

The Soviet Empire, (the most recent empire to collapse) tried to use the vision of the "New Soviet Man".

We know how that worked out for them.

In the United States it was thought that freedom, liberty and independence would bind us.

Clearly it's not, when the vast majority of people think it's perfectly OK to rob their neighbor, as long as the person doing the robbing has a badge and a law.

This - it is much easier to have a nation when everyone shares the same ethnicity, speaks the same language, and has the same set of religious and moral principles.

The is US is founded on an ideal that is supposed to transcend that - the ideal of individual liberty and personal security in life and possessions for all citizens. That is no longer the ideal for a no longer insignificant percentage of the population. A single flag and currency is what ties an empire together, not a nation.

 

[SelfTaught]

Ezola Foster isn't a spokeswoman for black people. I know tons of black people, none of them has ever expressed admiration for this woman.

Black people don't express a whole lot of admiration for Thomas Sowell or Walter E Williams either (they are black by the way, in case you didn't know, and they are both well known authors and economists). They both expressed their opinions that affirmative action, welfare, and the civil rights movement, in general, have done more to undermine black success and well being than any racists that exist today, and both have been shunned by blacks.

In fact, I was having an argument with one of my black coworkers about discrimination and was trying to have her read an article by Walter E Williams. She said she will not read any article that criticizes black people. We live in such a politically correct world that hardly anyone can talk about other races (or in the case of black people, their OWN race -- I'm talking real criticism, not comedy) without being labeled a racist (or Uncle Tom).

If Pat grew up in segregation, so what? Many people his age probably did. I have no problem with segregation as long as it's voluntary. Let me ask you a question, what's so great about diversity? Should diversity be forced? If I have a home and a business, should I be forced to serve or hire blacks or invite them into my home if I don't want to? I'll let you answer that one, then ask you if you are on the side of freedom (voluntary exchange and association) or on the side of coercion (government and statism).

 

[New York For Paul]

My observations.

In the major cities you now have people of color telling white people to move back to Idaho. They seem to think that is where white people live mostly.

In many cities, like Los Angeles, people of different races cannot go into certain neighborhoods, especially after dark. Boyle heights or parts of south central where the Rodney king riots started.

In Koreatown, that is extremely dangerous for outsiders.

Even in the most liberal of towns, like DC, NY etc, you have recent immigrants who claim they are discriminated against by the most liberal of white people.

Even when the liberal areas bend over backward, certain groups still feel there are problems.

Spend some time out on the street and you will notice the hostilities that are brewing and people just biding their time to express it.

 

[Cowlesy]

The only way such a society, or nation/state can endure, is if there is another, larger, transmutable truth and philosophy in which to bind people together.

The Soviet Empire, (the most recent empire to collapse) tried to use the vision of the "New Soviet Man".

We know how that worked out for them.

In the United States it was thought that freedom, liberty and independence would bind us.

Clearly it's not, when the vast majority of people think it's perfectly OK to rob their neighbor, as long as the person doing the robbing has a badge and a law.

+ Infinity

 

[SelfTaught]

Spend some time out on the street and you will notice the hostilities that are brewing and people just biding their time to express it.

That's exactly what I'm been saying for a while. The Obama administration did not transcend race. In fact, I knew exactly what his election would mean in terms of racial relations: It's a historical moment for a black man to get elected as President, and if you criticize him, you can't stand the fact that the president is a black man. I've also been trying to tell people interested in converting people to liberty to not waste their time spreading the message to minorities that are extremely unlikely to listen to views critical of Obama. Not that they're hopeless, but it takes a whole lot more effort.

 

[BlackTerrel]

If Pat grew up in segregation, so what? Many people his age probably did.

I'm sure they did. But they don't wax poetic about how awesome it was. Put it this way - every black person I've met Pat's age has never told me about "how great things were back in the day" as Pat does.

I have no problem with segregation as long as it's voluntary. Let me ask you a question, what's so great about diversity? Should diversity be forced? If I have a home and a business, should I be forced to serve or hire blacks or invite them into my home if I don't want to? I'll let you answer that one, then ask you if you are on the side of freedom (voluntary exchange and association) or on the side of coercion (government and statism).

You don't need government intervention here. If you had a business and said you refused to hire or serve blacks you'd be boycotted. (By both blacks and whites).

 

[max]

I'm sure they did. But they don't wax poetic about how awesome it was. Put it this way - every black person I've met Pat's age has never told me about "how great things were back in the day" as Pat does.



You don't need government intervention here. If you had a business and said you refused to hire or serve blacks you'd be boycotted. (By both blacks and whites).

The old black communities were solid and happy. ..Schools were good...Black owned businesses and a middle class flourished....Black universities were top notch....Divorce rate was lower than that of whites...churches were strong...crime in the hood was very low.....no racial tension....and the negro baseball leagues were a great institution...

I'm not saying every thing was perfect in America...but this idea that blacks lived under horrible oppression until ML King came along is FALSE!

 

[InterestedParticipant]

Can you expand on this?

When I said "No, it is the cryptocracy that is coming apart, Patrick" ... I meant that the cryptocracy attracts the psychopathic personality, for that is what is required to secretly plan and engage in such heinous crimes against humanity. It is the psychopathic personality (the ones with the deficient Amygdala in the brain) who seek unlimited power and who possess no human traits of empathy, allowing them to feed on anything that will promote power and facilitate survival.

There are many many movies that attempt to depict humanity as this type of psychopathic being, turning on each other in times of despair. Day of the Locusts did this in its famous climax scene. We've also seen it in a number of end-of-times type movies as well as catastrophe movies.

The reality of the situation is that humanity does not behave in this way. When humanity is not under strong manipulative forces (as it is now), humanity survives by helping each other, helping strangers, and demonstrating strong compassion. Katrina is a great example. For those watching the events on TV, the psychopath controlled media portrayed the situation as chaos and people "turning on" each other, which is the trait of the psychopathic personality. For those who were there, and saw the situation first hand, they saw a community of people who acted calmly, showed empathy, and acted in an orderly and adult like manner in an effort to help themselves and others.

So, once power is achieved by these types of people, it is only natural that in their limitless quest for power, that they will eventually turn-on and against each other in search of that power. Once the sheeple are seduced/suppressed and are under their control, they have no where to focus their attention but on each other. This is what we are witnessing now... this is the beginning.

I posted this article previously which got little attention here, but it reflects my sentiment...

OpEdNews
http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=14121

America as Immovable Object
August 21, 2009
By Tom Huff

Our founders instilled an indelible spirit into each sovereign individual who occupies this land that cannot be socially engineered out of us.

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The founders did more than create docs such as Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the US Constitution.... They instilled an indelible spirit into each sovereign individual who occupies this land that cannot be socially engineered out of us. Call it spirit, call it the ghost in the machine, but whatever 'it' is it is omnipotent and an unchangeable universal truth.

• The Club of Rome's climate change initiates are failing
  
• The eugenics focused health care efforts will fail
  
• People are starting to throw of political correctness forces
  
• While NAFTA/GATT induced economic impoverishment has been temporarily successful the establishments industrial machine now based in china sits relatively idle unless stimulated by establishment programs such as cash for clunkers.
  
• False flag operations are now virtually transparent
  
• COINTEL agitation techniques are largely visible and self evident

Sure, the technological control grids continue in accelerated fashion, but what good are these devises when the public recognizes their various use cases and techniques of control?

The entire establishments system is almost exclusively based upon deception of the public. But even after almost 100years of attacks on our education system they have been unable to mitigate America's ghost in the machine.

We now can see public evidence of the technocracies implosion, with psychopaths used as front men showing their desperation and fear as they do only what they know how to do, and that is turn on each other.

We are entering a new phase now, as we embark upon a new session of congress and as the pressures to stay within the planned time line increase. I suspect we will observe a dramatic increase in murders of political and beltway actors, as the technocracy does what it only knows how to do, and that is to climb the power ladder at all cost.

 

[BlackTerrel]

The old black communities were solid and happy. ..Schools were good...Black owned businesses and a middle class flourished....Black universities were top notch....Divorce rate was lower than that of whites...churches were strong...crime in the hood was very low.....no racial tension....and the negro baseball leagues were a great institution...

I'm not saying every thing was perfect in America...but this idea that blacks lived under horrible oppression until ML King came along is FALSE!

Wow you paint such a rosy picture? Can't use the white bathroom/white water fountain/white swimming pool/white laundromat? Have to make way in the front of the bus for "superior white people".

Yeah times were grand

Of course it doesn't shock me that you think that way. With your admiration for Hitler and all.