Parts of the Constitution that have been infringed upon?

Again, the Constitution really does not grant us our rights, it is designed to keep the central government within its boundaries, so looking for "liberty lost" in it is really a moot point.

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

There is one.

No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state.

LMAO!

No preference shall be given by any regulation of commerce or revenue to the ports of one state over those of another: nor shall vessels bound to, or from, one state, be obliged to enter, clear or pay duties in another.

There is the cause of the Civil War, not slavery!

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion...

Now, start paying attention to the buzzword; "democracy", and how it is touted as our form of government. Invasion? Has Uncle Sugar been paying attention? over 20 MILLION invaders are already here!
 
Oi'... But again, I meant the actual constitution, not including the bill of rights. The actual articles of the constitution. I thank you for posting that part, but what I need is the sections of the actual constitutional articles which have been infringed upon. Just a few, at the least.

Keep in mind that alot of the States who originally signed onto the Constitution did so only with the understanding that there would be a 'Bill of Rights'.. Personally, I consider the first 10 ammendments as part of the original document. But that be as it may Here are some intrusions as follows:

Article I. Section VIII:

Congress shall have the power

11: To declare War, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water.

12: To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years.


Article I. Section IX:

2: The privilege of the writ of haeus corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

3: No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed. (IRS loves to do this one)

8: No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them shall without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any King, prince, or foreign State. (AH, here we have the onus of the foreign lobbyist which loopholes this whole point.. plus Rudy getting Knighted, etc.)


Section X:

1. NO State shall: ... emit bills of credit (paper money); make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts...


This is just a few to get you started.. IF you want more I can find more.
 
Here's one that gets overlooked:

Article 4, Section 3:
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

During the War For Southern Independence the counties of West Virginia were occupied by the federal troops and forced to become a separate State.
 
The trick to how they've taken away our rights is that they've done it gradually enough that you can't just point to a single law. Even the Patriot Act is sneaky because it tweaks language here and there enough that on the whole it's an anti-freedom abomination, but in an argument you're not going to parse over 300 pages of legalese to prove your point (or, better said, nobody would listen).
 
The trick to how they've taken away our rights is that they've done it gradually enough that you can't just point to a single law. Even the Patriot Act is sneaky because it tweaks language here and there enough that on the whole it's an anti-freedom abomination, but in an argument you're not going to parse over 300 pages of legalese to prove your point (or, better said, nobody would listen).

Its just like the boiled frog
 
Look, the original intent was a government with enumerated powers. Therefore, you won't find any prohibitions in the main text because it was meant to narrowly define what powers were being ceded to the federal government. That is one reason that a bill of rights was opposed - it would provide a colorable pretext for the federal gov't to assume powers not explicitly granted. For example, when congress is not given the power to regulate speech, why have a rule that freedom of speech shall not be abridged?

So, congress was given the power to regulate commerce between the states, yet, congress often passes criminal laws. You tell me, is growing marijuana for your own use 'commerce between the states'? Congress seems to think so. The trick is, if congress is limited by the text of the constitution, it is only limited by it's ability to stretch the meaning of the text.

For example: If I'm hired as a manager and one of my job 'duties' is to "supervise employees" and I'm allowed to interpret those words however I want, then I can just interpret the term employees to include me and interpret the term supervise to include the setting of wages... (^_^)... Now I have the power to raise my own wages. Thus, the problem is in allowing the one who is limited (the fed. gov't) to define it's own limits.
 
This is a post I made 2/1/08 on another thread. You don't seem to be on it so I'll repeat it for you.

The president has very few things granted to the office to do. One of those things amounts to a very large thing, but is ignored in a quality sinse. It's found in Article II, Section 3 -- "he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed." That's one of those things that seems to be very easy to glance at, assume that it relates to established law, and then forget about it. But there is more that is ignored.

Please, someone define just one word out of that quote from the president's duties. OH, I have a Black's Law dictionary, so I'll do it for everyone.

Black's Law defines FAITHFULLY -- "Conscientious diligence or faithfulness in meeting obligations, or just regard of adherence to duty, or due observance of undertaking of contract." OH, there is more supporting comment, but that's enough.

A president also has a constitutional obligation to 'sign into law' bills presented from congress. But there is also a constitutional obligation to support and uphold the US Constitution. That makes it an obligation to ensure the Bill has no unconstitutional provisions.

Now, for those who would like to debate otherwise, consider the Constitution as a pact, or more directly put, a contract. Well, that's the way our founders viewed it, shouldn't we?

What's wrong with holding the president responsible in this regard?

But there is more potential available if people want to use it. Article V of the US Constitution, last sentence reads; "and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the senate."

I don't want to define 'suffrage' for you hear because it would be too easy, and besides folks should take it upon themselves to search such things out. But, I will recap something about the Senate, and interested folks should check what I say out for themselves.

Originally, senators were selected by the state legislatures, their purpose was to guard the interests of the state. The states interests were expressed, first in the US Constitution, and again in the 'Enabling Act Providing for Admission into the Union of States.' In doing so, they were in the senate to, for one, prevent unconstitutional acts.

In 1913, we changed the way senators are chosen to popular elections. We assume then, because we are taught that way or by assumption, that the Senate became just another legislative. But Amendment XVII, Popular election of sentators did not change the purpose of the Senate. And it did not change the State's interest in preventing unconstitutional acts.

So, there you go, three neatly packaged idea that are constitutional and available to hold politicains to their responsibilities. But will the public use them. I wonder.

And to add; That's one reason we need to get Dr. Ron Paul elected.

Here's another one: Article I, Section 8 "To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as my, by cession of particular states, and the aceptance of congress, become the seat of the govenment of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful building."

If the above is what the US Constitution grants to federal government, why does it hold title to all that BLM, National Forest, Natinal Parks, etc, etc. Constitution doesn't grant the authority. Here's what it does grant concerning pulblic lands. Article IV Section 3, The congress shall have power to DISPOSE OF and MAKE ALL NEEDFUL RULES and REGULATIONS respecting the teritory or other property belonging to the United States, and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state." Plus Article VI, first paragraph: "All debts contracted and engagedments entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution shall be as valid against the United States under the Constitution, as under the confederation."

So, you see, the Constitution grants federal government authority to dispose of public lands withing the bounds of a State, and to set use limits on them, like forest reserves, health resort spas, public parks, and for other needful and appropriate uses. Article VI brings in the negotiations between the States and Continental Congress to render title to the various County governments of a new state when organized. The process was necessary when the king of England granted all lands in the original States and in the territories. He was sneeky when he granted every acre equally to all the ten new states equally. It was resolved by the original States agreeing to transfer title to the Continental Congress for temperary holding so that title transfer to pioneer settlers would not have to go to every State for signoff of title, thus expiditing settling of the territory and forming of the new states.

From there you should research to connect the dots. It's a good exercise because you'll find that much of our public forests and parks were NATIONALIZED by presidential proclaimation and congressional misconstruction and abuse of power. Didn't the use of "National Park' ever give you a clue? Well, as typical, it escapes most of us until we question the actions of government.

So, now I'm tired and will go back into the shadows.

Tugboat
 
Thanks Tugboat... And you did not use any offensive language!

The first posts in this thread that speak of the "AMENDMENTS to the
Constitution" use the awful "BoR" phrase that I personally hate hearing.

It's offensive (like calling the U.S.A. a Democracy). It's a bad habit picked
up while attending the mandatory government youth propaganda camps.

The first several of the amendments did cling on to the original concept:
1-10 are EXPLICIT PROHIBITIONS the Fed Government was not
to touch
! On the other hand, your "rights" are (were) nearly infinite.


Quiz: When in public, do you have any "right" to pick your nose with
your left thumb? How about with a finger on your OTHER hand? Not
mentioned in the BoR, so I guess not... (it's generally uncouth, unless
you are sitting in your car at a red light, then G. Carlin says it's OK!)


Things have gone downhill, a lot, lately. e.g., a procedurally correct
18th amendment in 1919 (but it ended up causing the country severe
unintentional consequences). It was appealed by the 21st in 1933
"legalizing" alcohol again. Later, they did not even bother with the
amendments e.g., the disastrous Federal "War On (some) Drugs" was
initiated so your "right" to send your kid to the store to pick up grandpa’s
codeine cough syrup just went away without a fuss. Guess it wasn't listed
in the BoR anyway.


Somewhere along the line, "government prohibitions" turned into
your "rights" and now, even those supposedly listed "rights" are going
away too. 'Cept for the 3rd... unless you lived in Waco TX, then you might
even wonder about that one too.

It's the nature of government: It's like fire... Bind it down with chains of the
Constitution... etc.
 
Liberty,
You are perfectly welcome. About the Bill of Rights, here is a reference from the Yale Avalon project located www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/const/resolu02.htm

Resolution of the First Congress Submitting Twelve Amendments ot the Constituion; March 4, 1789

Congress of the united States, begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fouth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstrution or abuse of it powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added; And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution: .....snip.....

As anyone can see, given that they actually read the words, the Bill of Rights are declaratory and restrictive on government -- a denial of powers as any Right mentioned preigsisted the Constitution. In fact, the Constitution, the organization of government, and probably the organization of Union depend upon government not abusing its powers.

Interestingly enough, the States are bound to the same concept as the federal government concerning these. Enabling Acts were provided to proposed new States giving authorizations to form State constitutions, and become a member of the Union of States on an equal footing with the original States. Among the requirements agreed upon by the delegates were these:

Adopt the Constitution of the United States which includes the Bill of Rights as noted above, the denial of power concerning.

Their state constitutions shall not be repugnant to the Constituion of the United States and the Declaration of Independence.

These deny power to the State, to subdivisions of the State, and political organizations under its State constitution. These are infringed upon and violated in every State today.

So, you are gathering a lot of fodder to chew on. I wish you much in good effort as you put together you masters documents. grin

Tugboat
 
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