Palestinian rights a boo'ing matter?

bobbyjay

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Why would people boo when a presidential candidate says something to the effect that US foreign policy treats Palestinians differently?? Especially when he was basically quoting al Qaeda as reciting that as 1 of the many reasons they gave for attacking us 10 years ago! But instead, of course, the other guys would spoon-feed you the lie that they attacked us because we are free...... When your enemy states explicitly WHY they attack you, and you choose to ignore it, that is beyond ignorance it is hubris.

I honestly can only assume that the network moderators had hype people (people who make sure the crowds do what is expected of them; i.e. clap, cheer, laugh, cry...) at the debate to ensure an appropriate response to each candidates' remark. In fact, via live streaming from CNN, you would have been able to see these people doing there jobs as if you were watching a late night talk show or even SNL. If they encouraged people to boo, that is immoral. If however, the people chose to boo on their own accords, then it means they may be racists and boo'ed because he said 'Palestinian' and 'Rights' in the same sentence.

It is easy to believe that that just might be the case, considering they cheered the idea of a fence being built along our border with Mexico, because it has worked SOOO well in Israel. The simple fact is, the border issue is a security issue, not an immigration issue, and the only reason we have a security issue on the border is because of the drug war. Contradictory enough, most of these (quote-unquote) "conservatives" believe the war on drugs should continue, which is exactly how the drug cartels feel. Why? Because without the increased revenues based on a black market pricing structure the cartels would not be as powerful as they are, and would be left without the funding or manpower to threaten our national security.

The only issue that this nation faces in regards to immigration, is that the beauracracy has made it time-instensive, cost-prohibitive, and are down-right rude to petitioners. This is why people, from ALL nations attempt to come here illegaly, it is not only Mexicans, it is not only hispanics who wish to come to the United States, people from all over the world want to come here, and have wanted to come here since before there were nations here (remember the Bering Land Bridge we all learned about in junior high?). Our nation has been built by the hands and on the backs of immmigrants who came here hoping NOT for a handout, but for freedom. A freedom to pursue their hopes and dreams for their family. A freedom which is more and more being taken away from us.

As politicians debate and argue on Capitol Hill, wars still rage overseas, the debt is still going up, and the government is still spending. The people in power truly believe that they know what is better for you and your family. They believe it is their right to rule over you, and that their job is to make the government bigger and more powerful. This fallacy simply is not true, Benjamin Franklin said; "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" For far too long essential liberties have been taken from us under the guise of needing them in order to secure our safety.

I stand on the ideal that "All men are created equal" and that no 1 group deserves special rights over any other group. I truly believe that the US should stop all funding to, not only Israel, but all nations. But when looking at the Israeli/Palestinian issue, it is simple to see that the US funding the Israeli government has NOT contributed to peace in the region. What most politicians do not want these "conservatives" of theirs to know, is that the US gives 6X as much foreign aid to all the nations surrounding Israel.... This is bilateral war funding at its worse. Palestinians are humans, and as such deserve respect, rights, and a homeland just as much as ALL other humans.

The idea that Palestinians have no claim to the land, which their forefathers inhabited, is the same type of thinking that allowed the near-extermination and total relocation of the Native tribes in this land. By calling them terrorists and uncapable of peace, the oggressors are able to make the enemy seem inferior to their own people. It is standard political practice, dating back to before the Roman times. And so, people are forced from their homes, have a fence built around their homes, and are starved all in the name of "peace".

If the Republican party, as an entity really wishes to change things in this country, then they must re-evaluate their understanding of war as a whole. War is never a good thing. Let me repeat, War is NEVER a good thing. The loss of life, on either side, is never justified by the perceived gains obtained through the war. Consider the Vietnam War, what supposed "good" came of it? Communism was not stopped, but does that even matter? Vietnam is stronger than before economically, since we pulled out, that alone is evidence that we had no influence other than harboring hatred for our war machine in yet another nation. The debt will never go down so long as they spend trillions in unjustified wars the world over. Thomas Jefferson said, "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." An entangling alliance is when a nation promises that they will defend another nation's interests at all costs... Which is exactly how WW1 began, because of the entangling alliances throughout Europe at the time, many nations who would have not been involved got involved and allowed it to escalate beyond any wars before its time.

Peace, trade, and cultural exchanges, these are the tactics we use to bolster the US economy, world image, and the collective self-esteem of this nation. G-D bless America, and EVERYbody else.
 
It is easy to believe that that just might be the case, considering they cheered the idea of a fence being built along our border with Mexico, because it has worked SOOO well in Israel.

How hasn't it worked? They used to have suicide bombings killing people on a regular basis in Israel now you never hear about suicide bombings.
 
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He shouldn't have brought up Palestine in that answer as that is a complicated matter deserving far more time and discussion. But he did, and so we move along.
 
How hasn't it worked? They used to have suicide bombings killing people on a regular basis in Israel now you never hear about suicide bombings.

i'm moving into you backyard without your permission. when you threaten me, I will bulldoze portions of your house. when you send your bomb laden pets into my newly annexed part of your yard, i will erect a wall on your yard. and if i can hold out long enough, maybe you give up trying to get your land back... or maybe not.
 
i'm moving into you backyard without your permission. when you threaten me, I will bulldoze portions of your house. when you send your bomb laden pets into my newly annexed part of your yard, i will erect a wall on your yard. and if i can hold out long enough, maybe you give up trying to get your land back... or maybe not.

Make sure and setup military style checkpoints in his house that he has to go through every time he has to take a shit.

Don't forget to kill his children and then say that they were being used as human shields.

Oh ya, check all of the food and medicine going into his house, and don't let him have any weapons to defend himself or his family.
 
It is probably not a matter of pure racism as same neocons who oppose freedom and equal rights for Palestinians supported sacrifice of lives/body parts of almost hundred thousand Americans and near $3 Trillion for liberaion of Iraqi arabs who are essentially similar to Palestinians in race/religion. This discrimination resulting in oppostion to equal rights for Palestinians is probably rooted in something more complex.
 
i'm moving into you backyard without your permission. when you threaten me, I will bulldoze portions of your house. when you send your bomb laden pets into my newly annexed part of your yard, i will erect a wall on your yard. and if i can hold out long enough, maybe you give up trying to get your land back... or maybe not.

Amen. Why is it SO damn difficult for sheep to understand this simple point torchbearer is making! Beautiful!
 
How hasn't it worked? They used to have suicide bombings killing people on a regular basis in Israel now you never hear about suicide bombings.

i concur. human rights/moral-ownership-of-the-land aside, the building of the fence has helped to protect Israelis.

so much so, that the Palestinians more often than not revert to ineffectual rocket lobbing that only succeeds in hitting targets by chance.
 
i concur. human rights/moral-ownership-of-the-land aside, the building of the fence has helped to protect Israelis.

so much so, that the Palestinians more often than not revert to ineffectual rocket lobbing that only succeeds in hitting targets by chance.

Wow, what an awful post. I guess you think Israeli lives are more important than Palestinian lives.
 
Wow, what an awful post. I guess you think Israeli lives are more important than Palestinian lives.
huh? objectively speaking, the wall has helped to protect israeli's lives.

just like body armor helps to protect bank robbers lives.

stating an objective fact does not lend support for or against the actions of the subject.

but continuing bating me if you want. you wont get anywhere. i'd rather not lend opinions on the morality of the Israeli-Palestinian issue, because there is so much conflicting information.

hence, why i put "human rights/moral ownership aside". i.e., i am not lending an opinion on which side is richeous. i am merely stating, comparing their rather effective wall that saves many of their people, moral or immoral, is incomparable to our border wall, since we still get so many illegals in our country (and i am PRO freer immigration btw. but my bias on the issue doesnt cloud my judgement on the objective effectiveness of the wall).


the date rape drug known as "roofies" is an effective way of raping someone, as opposed to aspirin. doesnt mean i support raping people. it means, objectively measured, one drug accomplishes the objectives of the subject (raper) better than the other.
 
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The point about the fence not working, is that yes they are still lobbing rocket attacks, and there is an increased hatred for Israel and the US in the region. The idea that keeping certain people out keeps people safe is a tired ideal. Just because those people are kept out it does not fix any of the problems they had before, and continue to have now. The Gaza Strip is fenced, NOT to keep Palestinians out of Israel, but to keep those same Palestinians IN the Gaza Strip. It is a humanitarian nightmare there, and whenever there are rockets fired, the Israelis counterattack with an increased response level, on civilians as well. Simply put, Dr. Paul eluded to the idea that a fence along our borders to keep people out could be used to keep us in. We have no money to build it, no troops to police it, and even if they did pay for new Border Security (BS) that's just another branch of the federal hypocracy for us to whine about.
 
A lot of people don't actually look into a lot of their beliefs. Without the time to thoroughly explain what he said, people took offense.
 
I stand on the ideal that "All men are created equal" and that no 1 group deserves special rights over any other group.

Religious racism dogma still practiced by some backward people dictates that some races are more chosen or supremacist than other and thus deserve better rights than others. Such racism is going through slow but well deserved death, equal rights for everyone will be restored. There is no other option.
 
i'm moving into you backyard without your permission. when you threaten me, I will bulldoze portions of your house. when you send your bomb laden pets into my newly annexed part of your yard, i will erect a wall on your yard. and if i can hold out long enough, maybe you give up trying to get your land back... or maybe not.

And then I will put on a bomb vest and blow myself up in a pizza parlor full of women and kids.
 
And then I will put on a bomb vest and blow myself up in a pizza parlor full of women and kids.

you're too much of a pussy to do that.

in any case, torchbearer already mentioned that, when he said, "when you send your bomb laden pets into my new annexed part of your yard, i will erect a wall on your yard." The wall prevents bombing.

So there really was no need for you to respond to torchbearer's post. The reason you responded was because you have a genocidal hatred of Palestinians due to your support for a foreign country.

This proves once again BT, that time after time, you refuse to read the posts that you respond to.
 
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