Palestine has rejected 31 Israeli peace treaties

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

OP is a clown.

 

[amy31416]

Waitwait wait. The ignorance here is astounding. You think Israel wants the West Bank and Gaza? Read the OP. Israel offered them the West Bank and Gaza repeatedly. They don't want it. They literally dismantled every Gaza settlement for nothing, nothing in return. And you think they want Gaza? Go visit Gaza. You'll vomit in ten seconds. No one wants Gaza. The most insulting thing you've ever said about Israel is that they want Gaza. If I wanted to insult your mother, I would say "Your mother wants Gaza," its an insult.

Didn't one of your presidents get assassinated because he gave Gaza back to the Palestinians (who don't exist)?

Yeah, I'd vomit when visiting Gaza because of the shit and piss rivers running down the streets because their infrastructure is regularly bombed. I'd vomit when visiting Israel because of the Orthodox Jews who spit on people and promote murder.

I don't want anything to do with any of it. Israel is a welfare state that exists only because of American taxpayers. Why don't you address that? If I weren't financing Israel's crap, I'd be far more neutral. Violent welfare junkies--no better than anyone in Detroit or any of our other shitty cities.

 

[Ronin Truth]

This Land Is Mine (video)

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Wait, so you're saying Israel isn't allowed to respond to a genocidal invasion if innocent civilians die? Just curious, how many other countries don't have the right to self-defense? And are you saying Israel is as evil as every other country in a war? Or are you a hypocrite?

Genocidal invasion, huh? That's a good one. So you start from that (biased and ridiculous) premise and then move on to a loaded question regarding self-defense. You can imagine why I'm rather hesitant to waste my time talking to you.

As to the general question of bombing civilian centers to eliminate a terrorist... it is immoral, heinous, foolish in many regards, and ought not be tolerated. Is Israel as despicable as every other country starting/promoting wars, sending the young in as marauders and propagandizing the people of a given country? Well, certainly. They are worse than most. Whether that applies to every conflict or "war" is something I'm incapable of answering as I'm not aware of every conflict or war occurring around the world and the merits/tactics therein. I can say that if Country A drops poisonous and indiscriminate munitions on civilian population centers, yes they are quite evil. At least so far as the policy makers are concerned. The people are probably nationalistic dopes, or dupes, rather, so labeling them one way or the other is not the way I'll spend my day. If they support the policies, they are ultimately morally culpable.

First of all, I'm not simply accusing Hamas of wanting genocide. They say it. I don't just make shit up on forums like you ppl do, Hamas actually says it. Second, are you saying Israel isn't allowed to bomb a school that stores weapons? Are you saying Hamas has immunity from response so long as they use human shields?

They say it!? People say a lot of things. Hamas actually committing genocide on Israel? Don't make me laugh.

I am saying that if there is a Hell, the politicians/military strategists who develop the policy and the soldiers who ultimately conduct the operation will be there. There are ways to mitigate the risk certain individuals may pose absent indiscriminately bombing regions of a city.

Hell, they could start with changing their foreign policy/treatment of Palestinians.

The right to self-defense is not a cliche or a fallacy.

People have the right to self-defense when acting in accordance with the law. Groups of people have the right to self-defense when acting in accordance with the law. It's quite simple, really.

Palestine wants all the land, and invaded Israel before Israel occupied or stole an inch of land. The fact that Israel kicks their asses everytime doesn't mean they have to sacrifice innocent civilians every now and then.

Israel was just minding their business I suppose....

If they'd taken a peninsula in Uganda, the response would be largely the same.

You have a militaristic streak about you.

Israel's foreign policy is counter-productive, immoral, and certainly outside of the scope of self-defense.

Rhetorical question... someone has a gun pointed at you, they are standing in a crowded area. Do you have the right to launch a missile at them? How about flechettes?

Well of course you don't. People collectively coming together, sacrificing any responsibility for their actions.... only they do. Right? Is that a deduction of what you believe?

Hamas is elected in Gaza, and promies to kill every Jew.

Because elections are honest, fair, democratic processes in which every one in said region agrees with the policy of said electees. Hamas is as bad as you say, they murder people for apostasy, yes? What might happen to opposing their rule? Furthermore, the attacks on civilians are only strengthening that organization. People have relatives who were blown up, shot down, or otherwise unjustly affected? Well, they certainly aren't going to side with Israel.

The government of Israel has the power and obligation to destroy Hamas. You act like you're more intelligent because you think Israel should act like nihilists. Palestine is not nihilist. They kill ppl just for converting from Islam, or selling land to Jews, and promise to take every inch of Israel. If you don't think Israel is allowed to respond to Palestinian aggression, that doesn't make you intelligent, that makes you an asshole who doesn't understand the right to self-defense.

Lol.

I'm the asshole? Not the politicians establishing a policy to sling shards of metal indiscriminately knowing full well civilians will be the ones overwhelmingly killed... but little old me?

Fucking bizarro world with you.

I'm curious though, why do you not step outside of Israel threads? Was not your stated purpose to troll Israel related threads?

 

[maybemaybenot]

You are conflating two issues. The Jews and Arabs don't seem to have a problem getting along. It's the Zionists (most of which aren't Hebrew) that have the problem.

edit: Please don't propagate the propaganda "They've been fighting for thousands of years, let them kill each other".

The Jews and Arabs got along??? The Ottomans executed ppl for leaving Islam, they limited where infidels are allowed to live, infidels paid a special tax. Wtf is this. You hold Muslims to lower standards. You think nonviolent subservience is acceptable. Its not.

Didn't one of your presidents get assassinated because he gave Gaza back to the Palestinians (who don't exist)?

Yeah, I'd vomit when visiting Gaza because of the shit and piss rivers running down the streets because their infrastructure is regularly bombed. I'd vomit when visiting Israel because of the Orthodox Jews who spit on people and promote murder.

I don't want anything to do with any of it. Israel is a welfare state that exists only because of American taxpayers. Why don't you address that? If I weren't financing Israel's crap, I'd be far more neutral. Violent welfare junkies--no better than anyone in Detroit or any of our other shitty cities.

First of all, I never claimed Palestinians or Palestine don't exist. Palestine is a country, which was invented the same time Israel was invented, after the Ottoman Empire fell and was taken apart by Britain/France. Second, you're right, a radical Orthodox Jew killed a Yitzhak Rabin for signing the Oslo Accords with Arafat/PLO, creating the PA (and some self-governing authority). In return, PLO/PA agreed to 1. amend the PLO charter to no longer call for destroying Israel, and 2. stop supporting terrorism. They have yet to change their charter, and they reverted to terrorism within two yrs. Lol that's what Arafat didn't get killed by radicals. He led the radicals, there was no issue.

Genocidal invasion, huh? That's a good one. So you start from that (biased and ridiculous) premise and then move on to a loaded question regarding self-defense. You can imagine why I'm rather hesitant to waste my time talking to you.

As to the general question of bombing civilian centers to eliminate a terrorist... it is immoral, heinous, foolish in many regards, and ought not be tolerated. Is Israel as despicable as every other country starting/promoting wars, sending the young in as marauders and propagandizing the people of a given country? Well, certainly. They are worse than most. Whether that applies to every conflict or "war" is something I'm incapable of answering as I'm not aware of every conflict or war occurring around the world and the merits/tactics therein. I can say that if Country A drops poisonous and indiscriminate munitions on civilian population centers, yes they are quite evil. At least so far as the policy makers are concerned. The people are probably nationalistic dopes, or dupes, rather, so labeling them one way or the other is not the way I'll spend my day. If they support the policies, they are ultimately morally culpable.


They say it!? People say a lot of things. Hamas actually committing genocide on Israel? Don't make me laugh.

I am saying that if there is a Hell, the politicians/military strategists who develop the policy and the soldiers who ultimately conduct the operation will be there. There are ways to mitigate the risk certain individuals may pose absent indiscriminately bombing regions of a city.

Hell, they could start with changing their foreign policy/treatment of Palestinians.


People have the right to self-defense when acting in accordance with the law. Groups of people have the right to self-defense when acting in accordance with the law. It's quite simple, really.


Israel was just minding their business I suppose....

If they'd taken a peninsula in Uganda, the response would be largely the same.

You have a militaristic streak about you.

Israel's foreign policy is counter-productive, immoral, and certainly outside of the scope of self-defense.

Rhetorical question... someone has a gun pointed at you, they are standing in a crowded area. Do you have the right to launch a missile at them? How about flechettes?

Well of course you don't. People collectively coming together, sacrificing any responsibility for their actions.... only they do. Right? Is that a deduction of what you believe?


Because elections are honest, fair, democratic processes in which every one in said region agrees with the policy of said electees. Hamas is as bad as you say, they murder people for apostasy, yes? What might happen to opposing their rule? Furthermore, the attacks on civilians are only strengthening that organization. People have relatives who were blown up, shot down, or otherwise unjustly affected? Well, they certainly aren't going to side with Israel.


Lol.

I'm the asshole? Not the politicians establishing a policy to sling shards of metal indiscriminately knowing full well civilians will be the ones overwhelmingly killed... but little old me?

Fucking bizarro world with you.

I'm curious though, why do you not step outside of Israel threads? Was not your stated purpose to troll Israel related threads?

Okay, so what country should Israel mimic? What war/country/military follows the humane standards that you're setting? I hope you're not holding Israel to higher standards, that would be pretty silly, no?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

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Yeah, I know who this troll boy is. Are you going to answer my question about why you're on this board, or did you learn your lesson from your other troll account? LOL.

 

[maybemaybenot]

Also, anyone saying that Israel only took lands in 1947 is an idiot or a fool.

You're saying Israel/Jews/Zionists stole land before 1947? Are you saying Israel (after 1947) wasn't allowed to annex conquered land from an invasion, even after they promised all the land back in exchange for a peace treaty? They couldn't annex any of the land, even when the invader says "If you give us that land back, we're still going to destroy you."?

At the end of the day, it all comes down to holding Muslims to lower standards. Israel's committed every war crime there is. Just like every other country that's been in more than one war. But to look at this conflict and call Israel the aggressor here is just ignorant. If Israel's the aggressor, when was the aggression? How did they start this? The Muslims invaded and promised to destroy Israel in 1947, before Israel stole an inch of land from anyone. Creating a democracy on former Ottoman territory, with a non-Muslim majority enforcing equal rights and democracy, and non-Sharia law, is not stealing land. This is only stealing land according to Muslim extremists who explicitly state that Muslim land has to be Muslim ruled forever, like the majority of Palestinians believe (its literally their position, Sharia law over all the land).

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

(its literally their position,...

Now, sock puppet boy, didn't I already tell you about your misuse of words? A literal position would be bending over so that you can feel the government's power up your anus. You didn't bother to correct that, just like you did not bother to change up your writing style. Sure, you can do it for awhile, but you'll always revert. It did not take you long to revert because you're lazy. Actually, I don't see lot that you did different from your other troll account.

Do you want to tell me why you're on this board? Or, are you going to ignore me because you've already made that mistake?

 

[maybemaybenot]

Now, sock puppet boy, didn't I already tell you about your misuse of words? A literal position would be bending over so that you can feel the government's power up your anus. You didn't bother to correct that, just like you did not bother to change up your writing style. Sure, you can do it for awhile, but you'll always revert. It did not take you long to revert because you're lazy. Actually, I don't see lot that you did different from your other troll account.

Do you want to tell me why you're on this board? Or, are you going to ignore me because you've already made that mistake?

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...ligion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

89% of Palestinians want Sharia law, which is why its written into the governing documemts of the PLO/PA, Hamas, and the All-Palestine government that almost was in 1947. Its literally their position, notwithstanding your anal fetish.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Its literally their position, notwithstanding your anal fetish.

No, it still does not apply because figurative position does not oppose it.

But maybe "anal fetish" has a different meaning for you here. Are you miffed because I found out your identity? You mentioned Gaza as a shithole in this thread. Been to Gaza? Like to really, really fight hard?

What organization do your represent, PRB. How about your buddy, Zippy Juan, who also lives in Southern California where you live? Is the Jewish organization that pays you in Southern California too, or do you just work remotely?

Ever get a look a ZippyJuan's photography? His name would be Jeffry Zelt. Do you know him, PRB? What is the origin of his name?

You think you're slick? You can't even cover your tracks because simple google searching brings it all up. Zippy even just posted that he went to school with some famous IQ guy born in 1960. That would make him about 53 years old, the approximate age of one Jeffry Zelt.

You come on this board like we're some kind of big threat to you? What a joke. You're so paranoid that you have to troll forums to try to set the record straight. Do you actually even get paid or is this some kind of survival instinct for you?

 

[maybemaybenot]

No, it still does not apply because figurative position does not oppose it.

But maybe "anal fetish" has a different meaning for you here. Are you miffed because I found out your identity? You mentioned Gaza as a shithole in this thread. Been to Gaza? Like to really, really fight hard?

What organization do your represent, PRB. How about your buddy, Zippy Juan, who also lives in Southern California where you live? Is the Jewish organization that pays you in Southern California too, or do you just work remotely?

Ever get a look a ZippyJuan's photography? His name would be Jeffry Zelt. Do you know him, PRB? What is the origin of his name?

You think you're slick? You can't even cover your tracks because simple google searching brings it all up. Zippy even just posted that he went to school with some famous IQ guy born in 1960. That would make him about 53 years old, the approximate age of one Jeffry Zelt.

You come on this board like we're some kind of big threat to you? What a joke. You're so paranoid that you have to troll forums to try to set the record straight. Do you actually even get paid or is this some kind of survival instinct for you?

So... this is how you ignore the fact that Muslims want Sharia law forever and ever, and therefore think that discontinuing Sharia law is the equivalent of stealing land? You just rant about the word "literally" and me being some evil Zionist agent?

If I was actually some paid schill, you should be happy, you get to debate with a professional. But instead you cry like a baby, because you don't think its fair that someone would make a rational argument. You're so used to circle-jerking with retards who have no idea what they're talking about, that when I actually articulate an argument, your head explodes and you call me an nWo Zionist troll gay communist.

 

[twomp]

So... this is how you ignore the fact that Muslims want Sharia law forever and ever, and therefore think that discontinuing Sharia law is the equivalent of stealing land? You just rant about the word "literally" and me being some evil Zionist agent?

If I was actually some paid schill, you should be happy, you get to debate with a professional. But instead you cry like a baby, because you don't think its fair that someone would make a rational argument. You're so used to circle-jerking with retards who have no idea what they're talking about, that when I actually articulate an argument, your head explodes and you call me an nWo Zionist troll gay communist.

Kind of how you go on and on, over and over and over and over and over about Hamaas using children as human shields and totally neglect that Israel uses Palestinian children as shields as well as their love of killing children? tsk tsk tsk troll.... the only head i've seen explode is yours. Your anger brings me great joy

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

So... this is how you ignore the fact that Muslims want Sharia law forever and ever, and therefore think that discontinuing Sharia law is the equivalent of stealing land? You just rant about the word "literally" and me being some evil Zionist agent?

If I was actually some paid schill, you should be happy, you get to debate with a professional. But instead you cry like a baby, because you don't think its fair that someone would make a rational argument. You're so used to circle-jerking with retards who have no idea what they're talking about, that when I actually articulate an argument, your head explodes and you call me an nWo Zionist troll gay communist.

But your other account is PRB. Right?

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Okay, so what country should Israel mimic? What war/country/military follows the humane standards that you're setting? I hope you're not holding Israel to higher standards, that would be pretty silly, no?

Are you telling me that organizations funded by the theft of all, notoriously wasteful and following corporate edicts (or acting with regards to their own benefit in controlling a given tax pool/their own power), fueled by an often ignorant and propagandized nationalistic public (who were fed a given narrative by said corporations or paid propagandists who through various ties and predictable symbiotic relationships are dishonest and biased... not to mention raised from a young age to consider things a certain way) are corrupt and do the wrong thing?

I wouldn't quite know how to respond to such a thing.

Have you read War is a Racket by Smedley Butler? It's really short. Probably under five thousand words.

 

[maybemaybenot]

Are you telling me that organizations funded by the theft of all, notoriously wasteful and following corporate edicts (or acting with regards to their own benefit in controlling a given tax pool/their own power), fueled by an often ignorant and propagandized nationalistic public (who were fed a given narrative by said corporations or paid propagandists who through various ties and predictable symbiotic relationships are dishonest and biased... not to mention raised from a young age to consider things a certain way) are corrupt and do the wrong thing?

I wouldn't quite know how to respond to such a thing.

Have you read War is a Racket by Smedley Butler? It's really short. Probably under five thousand words.

But you're using that principle/opinion (nothing wrong with it) to say Israel can't fight Hamas? They can't destroy rocket launchers? They can't destroy dozens of tunnels whose purpose is to transport weapons/terrorists underneath Israel's territory? Its nice to say "war is bad, war is bad," but when hundreds of rockets are flying into your country from a terrorist group promising genocide (Hamas, elected overwhelmingly in Gaza) and reject any peace treaty, you're saying Israel can't respond? Oh well, sucks to live next to a country constantly trying to destroy your country?

Lol and before you say Israel stole their land, the Muslim countries invaded Israel before Israel stole any land from anyone under any definition. All the Muslim nations invading Israel, promising to destroy it, were created just a few yrs earlier than Israel, and Palestine was created at the exact same time.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

But you're using that principle/opinion (nothing wrong with it) to say Israel can't fight Hamas?

I am saying that acting in accordance to the law is acceptable. Them responding as they do, and US dollars going to fund it, is what annoys me, personally, about Israel (that and the dicksuckery.... that is to say, every politician's need to reaffirm how much they support Israel "tri"-annually). The difference between trying an alleged criminal or demolishing a city block to murder said alleged criminal, murdering many innocents in the process.

They can't destroy rocket launchers? They can't destroy dozens of tunnels whose purpose is to transport weapons/terrorists underneath Israel's territory?

Do you know what a cluster bomb is?

What legitimate use would such a device be used for if not "shock and awe."

Israel being there in large part incites violence against it, but their responding policies certainly exacerbates that issue.

Its nice to say "war is bad, war is bad," but when hundreds of rockets are flying into your country promising to destroy your country and reject any peace treaty, you're saying Israel can't respond?

I am saying that Israel's policy is... what was it... "immoral, heinous, foolish in many regards, and ought not be tolerated." And by "ought not be tolerated" I am referring to by the people of Israel (and by the people here monetarily).

Lol and before you say Israel stole their land, the Muslim countries invaded Israel before Israel stole any land from anyone under any definition. All the Muslim nations invading Israel, promising to destroy it, were created just a few yrs earlier than Israel, and Palestine was created at the exact same time.

I really don't even care to argue the points. I have previously, but over the years have developed more of a "meh" sort of attitude.

So long as you feel that dropping bomblets, (conservatively five percent of which do not explode immediately but rather upon being picked up or stepped upon), packed with flechettes, onto civilian centers is unacceptable morally as well as a crime and that the United States should not be funding Israel whatsoever (as it shouldn't be funding any country), I really don't care about much else. My position is, fuck Israel. They aren't some shining beacon of freedom.

I've quite possibly heard every one of your arguments a half dozen or more times.

 

[maybemaybenot]

I am saying that acting in accordance to the law is acceptable. Them responding as they do, and US dollars going to fund it, is what annoys me, personally, about Israel (that and the dicksuckery.... that is to say, every politician's need to reaffirm how much they support Israel "tri"-annually). The difference between trying an alleged criminal or demolishing a city block to murder said alleged criminal, murdering many innocents in the process.


Do you know what a cluster bomb is?

What legitimate use would such a device be used for if not "shock and awe."

Israel being there in large part incites violence against it, but their responding policies certainly exacerbates that issue.



I am saying that Israel's policy is... what was it... "immoral, heinous, foolish in many regards, and ought not be tolerated." And by "ought not be tolerated" I am referring to by the people of Israel (and by the people here monetarily).


I really don't even care to argue the points. I have previously, but over the years have developed more of a "meh" sort of attitude.

So long as you feel that dropping bomblets, (conservatively five percent of which do not explode immediately but rather upon being picked up or stepped upon), packed with flechettes, onto civilian centers is unacceptable morally as well as a crime and that the United States should not be funding Israel whatsoever (as it shouldn't be funding any country), I really don't care about much else. My position is, fuck Israel. They aren't some shining beacon of freedom.

I've quite possibly heard every one of your arguments a half dozen or more times.

Totally agree on the cluster bombs, but the flechettes/darts? Yeah, that's just a weapon. it hits civilians because Hamas hides among civilians. I just have some questions for you, to see if you're a hypocrite:
1. Can Israel destroy dozens of underground tunnels whose sole purpose is to transport weapons/terrorists into Israel's territory, even if Hamas purposely builds them underneath ppl's home?
2. Can Israel destroy Hamas rocket launches, even when stored in someone's home?
3. Do you condemn Hamas for hiding behind human shields, and do you blame Israel for the deaths of human shields?
4. Do you condemn Gaza for electing a terrorist group promising to kill every Jew? Or is that acceptable for Muslims (you know, since its in the Quran).

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I just have some questions for you,...

If you're going to ask questions, then you have to answer questions.

I asked you why you're on this board, but you never answered.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Totally agree on the cluster bombs, but the flechettes/darts? Yeah, that's just a weapon. it hits civilians because Hamas hides among civilians. I just have some questions for you, to see if you're a hypocrite:
1. Can Israel destroy dozens of underground tunnels whose sole purpose is to transport weapons/terrorists into Israel's territory, even if Hamas purposely builds them underneath ppl's home?
2. Can Israel destroy Hamas rocket launches, even when stored in someone's home?
3. Do you condemn Hamas for hiding behind human shields, and do you blame Israel for the deaths of human shields?
4. Do you condemn Gaza for electing a terrorist group promising to kill every Jew? Or is that acceptable for Muslims (you know, since its in the Quran).

Every government is a terrorist org. Some are just more explicit about it than others.

 

[maybemaybenot]

Every government is a terrorist org. Some are just more explicit about it than others.

Go on, continue. Is there a point you're trying to make here?