Palestine has rejected 31 Israeli peace treaties

[maybemaybenot]

You should do as you promise and leave this board forever. But I'm sure just like the OP, you will be here again. Trolling us with your I LOVE Israel thoughts. You seem like a much better troll though. At least you post in other threads. The OP posts on NOTHING but Israel threads. He is here for one reason and one reason only. He is here to support Israel. With that said, please do as you stated and leave forever.

I talk about this being I'm basically libertarian on every issue, which is why this drives me nuts. Including Israel. I don't agree with funding Israel,but, if there are countries that do need/deserve it, its Israel, South Korea, I don't know who else, w/e. (I only say this because Israel offers to dismantle the vast majority of their settlements every other yr, its the perfect negotiating chip if there's actually a genuine peace deal) To side with the Muslims in this conflict is just absurd.

To me the US and Israel are the same thing. I love both countries and I hate both countries. I'll concede to any Israeli atrocity you mention. I actually suspect the Israeli government bombed the USS Liberty on purpose to frame the Arabs, it was in the middle of the Six-Day War, I've said this. I think they might have withheld information before 9/11, George W. Bush became one of the most important ppl in Israel's history. (well, he did unintentionally create ISIS) But they have the right to exist and defend themselves. They did not kick a single person out before every Muslim neighbor invaded them in 47-48. It is the fascist Muslims who can't stand the idea of any Muslim land no longer being Muslim land. They don't care about the demographics.

We didn't lose our right to self-defense when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right? Its one thing to say Israel owes ppl reparations, its another thing to tell them they need to lay down and die.

 

[twomp]

To me the US and Israel are the same thing. I love both countries and I hate both countries. I'll concede to any Israeli atrocity you throw at me. I actually suspect the Israeli government bombed the USS Liberty on purpose to frame the Arabs, it was in the middle of the Six-Day War, I've said this. But they have the right to exist and defend themselves. They did not kick a single person out before every Muslim neighbor invaded them in 47-48. It is the fascist Muslims who can't stand the idea of any Muslim land no longer being Muslim land. They don't care about the demographics.

We didn't lose our right to self-defense when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, right? Its one thing to say Israel owes ppl reparations, its another thing to tell them they need to lay down and die.

You see, that works better. There's nothing you said there that I disagree with.

 

[maybemaybenot]

You like to use the word "admit" a lot huh? Admit this and ADMIT that. I admit that Israel bombs Gaza indiscriminately and then when multiple sources say they bombed civilians, they go back to the same excuse they use for EVERYTHING. Hamas! They say Hamas used them as shields. Even when they bombed UN schools. They said, "oh, Hamas" and the cheerleaders like you use that as an excuse for killing children.

So that's what I admit. That Israel kills children in and uses Hamas as the reason for doing it. Does that clarify to you what I ADMIT?

You think the UN is lying that their schools were used to store weapons?
http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press...placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

UNRWA CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS, FOR A SECOND TIME, IN ONE OF ITS SCHOOLS

Today, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip. As soon as the rockets were discovered, UNRWA staff were withdrawn from the premises, and so we are unable to confirm the precise number of rockets. The school is situated between two other UNRWA schools that currently each accommodate 1,500 internally displaced persons.
UNRWA strongly and unequivocally condemns the group or groups responsible for this flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law.
The Agency immediately informed the relevant parties and is pursuing all possible measures for the removal of the objects in order to preserve the safety and security of the school. UNRWA will launch a comprehensive investigation into the circumstances surrounding this incident.
UNRWA has reinforced and continues to implement its robust procedures to maintain the neutrality of all its premises, including a strict no-weapons policy and regular inspections of its installations, to ensure they are only used for humanitarian purposes.
Palestinian civilians in Gaza rely on UNRWA to provide humanitarian assistance and shelter. At all times, and especially during escalations of violence, the sanctity and integrity of UN installations must be respected.

Lol my favorite part of the article is the "strict no weapons policy" and the inspections. Because if you employ Gazans, you need to take special care to ensure that terrorists aren't storing weapons in your facility.

You see, that works better. There's nothing you said there that I disagree with.

Oh, now I get you. So you believe in the right to self-defense, but a meaningless "right to self-defense" that doesn't include the destruction of dozens of Hamas tunnels underneath Israel? Even though the tunnels are being used only for terrorist purposes? And you don't think they can destroy rocket launchers in a person's home, even if they call them ahead of time and say their home is going to be destroyed. (And don't bitch that they should send over cops to get rid of the rocket launcher, its a war, these are government operatives storing weapons, and even the non-governmental terrorist groups are endorsed by the government and not prevented from attacking.)

What is Israel allowed to do to protect its citizens from Hamas rockets and suicide bombers (and the suicide bombers would return if the tunnels succeed)? The right to self-defense isn't just semantics.

 

[twomp]

Oh, now I get you. So you believe in the right to self-defense, but a meaningless "right to self-defense" that doesn't include the destruction of dozens of Hamas tunnels underneath Israel? Even though the tunnels are being used only for terrorist purposes? And you don't think they can destroy rocket launchers in a person's home, even if they call them ahead of time and say their home is going to be destroyed. (And don't bitch that they should send over cops to get rid of the rocket launcher, its a war, these are government operatives storing weapons, and even the non-governmental terrorist groups are endorsed by the government and not prevented from attacking.)

What is Israel allowed to do to protect its citizens from Hamas rockets and suicide bombers (and the suicide bombers would return if the tunnels succeed)? The right to self-defense isn't just semantics.

No you don't get me because if you did, then you would stop this pointless attempt at getting me to agree with you. You see, I really don't care what Israel does. If Israel wants to use Hamas as an excuse to go ahead and kill as many kids and civilians as they want? More power to them. It's not like I could physically stop them could I?

I don't want a DIME of our money going to the Israeli government ever. But since it currently does, I will be against it. What does irritate me though is this whole "omg, Israel is the victim" schtick that you and the majority of the MSM keep force feeding down my throat. Israel is NOT a victim. Israel is the bully which is within it's rights. GET IT? GO AHEAD AND BE A MURDEROUS BULLY!! JUST DON'T USE MY MONEY TO DO IT! Don't send your trolls to forums like this one with MY MONEY to try and convince me otherwise. Do you get me yet?

 

[lilymc]

I personally believe there is something else in this particular territory that is being fought over. I'd like to find out and expose it, but it seems to be an extremely closely guarded secret. Must be powerful whatever it is. Clearly it's not in control of the Arabs. Maybe the Arabs are just ignorant of it. Maybe whatever it is has been long forgotten until recently.

Maybe Indiana Jones knows? I think it's worth more speculation and investigation than the retread argument of Jews/Christians vs Islamist. Especially more interesting than the now hipster notion of some ideological self-determinations constantly foisted upon the oppressed people in the ancient land of Israel.

I think there's a spiritual aspect to the whole thing, that a lot of people don't seem to be aware of.

But about what you said about something powerful that is there, and, some big secret... Well, as absolutely crazy as this may sound, a man claimed that he found the Ark of the Covenant in Israel, in the 80's, and claimed even on his deathbed that his story is true and that the ark is still there, in a cave near Golgotha.

When I first heard about it, I didn't believe it, because there have been a number of people who claimed they found the ark. But the more I looked into his story, the more I thought that of all the stories, there is something different about his.... it's fascinating and I think it's likely he was telling the truth. (He died, but his family and friends all say that he was an honest, humble and very Godly man and that he wouldn't lie about something so important, on his deathbed.)

I don't think that is the reason for the fighting, but I just thought I'd mention that since you brought up Indiana Jones.

 

[newbitech]

You should do as you promise and leave this board forever. But I'm sure just like the OP, you will be here again. Trolling us with your I LOVE Israel thoughts. You seem like a much better troll though. At least you post in other threads. The OP posts on NOTHING but Israel threads. He is here for one reason and one reason only. He is here to support Israel. With that said, please do as you stated and leave forever.

Wow, show me anywhere that I said I love israel. You are a serial liar it would appear and you cannot help but to let your blatant ideological hatred for that place launch you into illogical arguments.

You should be careful who you call a troll.

Who care what the OP is here for?

Refute the arguments, THEN you have a basis to try and run someone off as a troll. But if your first argument is the person is a troll, and you completely ignore the arguments, it puts a big brown stain on your credibility, not to mention makes you look foolish.

I must now question your motive. You want me to leave forever. Do you not appreciate allies in the cause of activism for liberty? Are you fully unaware that many who came before you have paved the way for the discussion that have been occurring on this board for 7-8 years to become part of the national debate?

Yes, I am disgusted with you in this thread. You have nothing to say. You choose to remain ignorant of the topic and seem to be having some sort of ideological seizure where you are incapable of regaining your composure.

Please take a step back and do some research on the source material and try to come back with some coherent intelligent commentary. Forget about your emotional reaction to the OP and deal with facts.

This could be a real key learning moment for you in your life and perhaps a little introspection is in order.

 

[maybemaybenot]

No you don't get me because if you did, then you would stop this pointless attempt at getting me to agree with you. You see, I really don't care what Israel does. If Israel wants to use Hamas as an excuse to go ahead and kill as many kids and civilians as they want? More power to them. It's not like I could physically stop them could I?

I don't want a DIME of our money going to the Israeli government ever. But since it currently does, I will be against it. What does irritate me though is this whole "omg, Israel is the victim" schtick that you and the majority of the MSM keep force feeding down my throat. Israel is NOT a victim. Israel is the bully which is within it's rights. GET IT? GO AHEAD AND BE A MURDEROUS BULLY!! JUST DON'T USE MY MONEY TO DO IT! Don't send your trolls to forums like this one with MY MONEY to try and convince me otherwise. Do you get me yet?

Okay, you contradict yourself when you say Israel is "within its rights" to "be a murderous bully." Unless you're using "rights" and "murder" in some metaphorical kindof way. Unintended civilian casualties are not murder (unless you're the aggressor?), and no country is "within its rights" to intentionally kill civilians. So since you have zero respect for the basic meaning of words, let me put it this way. What would you do about the Hamas tunnels being built to reach underneath Israel to transport weapons/suicide bombers? What would you do about the rocket launcher's in people's "homes" (they do live there, but f*ck them for calling it a home), the weapons in schools/hospitals.

Hamas' HQ, and press HQ is in a bomb shelter built by Israel, underneath the main hospital in Gaza City, built by Israel. Israel has not touched it. If they're trying to kill civilians with Hamas as an excuse, why haven't they bombed the main hospital?

And if Hamas and the PA are so interested in lifting the plight of their ppl, why did they reject Egypt's recent offer to quadruple the size of Gaza and let Palestinians move there? Because Egypt (a large country) figured it was a tiny sliver of their land, but peace in the region would mean endless tourism connecting Israel and Egypt, a money-printing machine the likes of which the world has never seen. (And the Rothschilds still own land in Israel lol). Israelis and Arabs sell SAND and call it holy, and they justify it with a story about a talking snake, and wars that show ppl must want that sand!

1. Kill eachother for a century
2. Profit from tourism!


C

 

[twomp]

Okay, you contradict yourself when you say Israel is "within its rights" to "be a murderous bully." Unless you're using "rights" and "murder" in some metaphorical kindof way. Unintended civilian casualties are not murder (unless you're the aggressor?), and no country is "within its rights" to intentionally kill civilians. So since you have zero respect for the basic meaning of words, let me put it this way. What would you do about the Hamas tunnels being built to reach underneath Israel to transport weapons/suicide bombers? What would you do about the rocket launcher's in people's "homes" (they do live there, but f*ck them for calling it a home), the weapons in schools/hospitals.

Hamas' HQ, and press HQ is in a bomb shelter built by Israel, underneath the main hospital in Gaza City, built by Israel. Israel has not touched it. If they're trying to kill civilians with Hamas as an excuse, why haven't they bombed the main hospital?

And if Hamas and the PA are so interested in lifting the plight of their ppl, why did they reject Egypt's recent offer to quadruple the size of Gaza and let Palestinians move there? Because Egypt (a large country) figured it was a tiny sliver of their land, but peace in the region would mean endless tourism connecting Israel and Egypt, a money-printing machine the likes of which the world has never seen. (And the Rothschilds still own land in Israel lol). Israelis and Arabs sell SAND and call it holy, and they justify it with a story about a talking snake, and wars that show ppl must want that sand!

1. Kill eachother for a century
2. Profit from tourism!


C

Israel is a murderous bully. You can sugar coat it all you like but that doesn't change it. All Israel has to do is kill children then say the word Hamas and the world nods and agrees. But that isn't enough for Israel is it? It's not enough that they don't get punished, they want the world to cheer them on while they are doing it. Hence, the reason you are here with your pure Israel cheer leading. You talk all this stuff about freedom and libertarians but the ONLY topic you post on is Israel.

You use our language to try to convince the us to cheer on Israel. It's not enough that the majority of the world agrees with you, you want 100% of the world to see Israel as the victim while cheering them on as the slaughter children with impunity.

Too bad it won't work here. I am done trying to talk to convince you of anything. You are an Israeli troll and I shall go back to treating you as one. mmmkaay??

 

[maybemaybenot]

Israel is a murderous bully. You can sugar coat it all you like but that doesn't change it. All Israel has to do is kill children then say the word Hamas and the world nods and agrees. But that isn't enough for Israel is it? It's not enough that they don't get punished, they want the world to cheer them on while they are doing it. Hence, the reason you are here with your pure Israel cheer leading. You talk all this stuff about freedom and libertarians but the ONLY topic you post on is Israel.

You use our language to try to convince the us to cheer on Israel. It's not enough that the majority of the world agrees with you, you want 100% of the world to see Israel as the victim while cheering them on as the slaughter children with impunity.

Too bad it won't work here. I am done trying to talk to convince you of anything. You are an Israeli troll and I shall go back to treating you as one. mmmkaay??

Lol so Israel is "within its rights" and "a murderous bully," you admit Hamas uses human shields but you still say Israel uses this as a meaningless excuse as if its not true. You claim Israel lied about the UN schools storing weapons, until being confronted with the UN's own admission. You're like Obama, you don't even believe anything anymore, you're just paying lip service to every position and contradicting yourself over and over.

 

[twomp]

Lol so Israel is "within its rights" and "a murderous bully," you admit Hamas uses human shields but you still say Israel uses this as a meaningless excuse as if its not true. You claim Israel lied about the UN schools storing weapons, until being confronted with the UN's own admission. You're like Obama, you don't even believe anything anymore, you're just paying lip service to every position and contradicting yourself over and over.

I do not admit Hamas uses human shields. I admit Israel uses Hamas as an excuse to kill children. Like most IDF trolls, you make up stories in your mind and spit it out to be fact. If I said, it's dark outside my house. Your response will be so you admit the sun doesn't exist? LOL! That's how the Israeli media works doesn't it? Hey there are witnesses that Israeli jets bombed 4 Palestinian kids on a beach. Israeli spin: Those witnesses are terrorist sympathizers!

 

[maybemaybenot]

I do not admit Hamas uses human shields. I admit Israel uses Hamas as an excuse to kill children. Like most IDF trolls, you make up stories in your mind and spit it out to be fact. If I said, it's dark outside my house. Your response will be so you admit the sun doesn't exist? LOL! That's how the Israeli media works doesn't it? Hey there are witnesses that Israeli jets bombed 4 Palestinian kids on a beach. Israeli spin: Those witnesses are terrorist sympathizers!

So you just refuse to acknowledge facts. Hamas openly uses human shields, they glorify it. The UN has admitted that Hamas used their schools to store weapons, twice. But Twomp and facts just don't go together. ​You must be some Hamas troll.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Lol yep, all you guys have are conspiracy theories. I'm a Zionist agent, I'm secretly that guy. Well you sound like somebody who can't construct a rational thought, so you just insult the speaker.

So what brings you to this forum?

 

[otherone]

So what brings you to this forum?

 

[twomp]

So you just refuse to acknowledge facts. Hamas openly uses human shields, they glorify it. The UN has admitted that Hamas used their schools to store weapons, twice. But Twomp and facts just don't go together. ​You must be some Hamas troll.

So those kids that Israel shot on a beach was hiding under Hamas? OMG OMG Hamas? Everything is HAMAS. Israel's excuse for everything is Hamas and you just prove it to be true. All you do is get mad because you refuse to acknowledge that I'm right. Israel likes to kill kids then say the word Hamas as an excuse for their actions.

They waved and shouted at the watching journalists as they passed a little collection of brightly coloured beach tents, used by bathers in peacetime.

It was there that the second shell hit the beach, those firing apparently adjusting their fire to target the fleeing survivors. As it exploded, journalists standing by the terrace wall shouted: "They are only children."

ADJUSTING THEIR FIRE TO TARGET THE FLEEING SURVIVORS! how about those facts? oh let me guess, Hamas right? bippity boppity boo! Hamass is so scary, we have to kill kids because they are THAT SCARY!! BOOO!

 

[maybemaybenot]

So those kids that Israel shot on a beach was hiding under Hamas? OMG OMG Hamas? Everything is HAMAS. Israel's excuse for everything is Hamas and you just prove it to be true. All you do is get mad because you refuse to acknowledge that I'm right. Israel likes to kill kids then say the word Hamas as an excuse for their actions.

ADJUSTING THEIR FIRE TO TARGET THE FLEEING SURVIVORS! how about those facts? oh let me guess, Hamas right? bippity boppity boo! Hamass is so scary, we have to kill kids because they are THAT SCARY!! BOOO!

If you wanna use pictures, I can use pictures. You wanna jerk off to dead Israel children, too? I'll find pics, just ask.

And like I said before, you refuse to acknowledge the established fact that Hamas uses human shields. So f*ck you, you're a hypocrite.

 

[twomp]

If you wanna use pictures, I can use pictures. You wanna jerk off to dead Israel children, too? I'll find pics, just ask.

And like I said before, you refuse to acknowledge the established fact that Hamas uses human shields. So f*ck you, you're a hypocrite.

I love it when I make trolls cry! Thank you for that! You should know about hypocrisy. Your government is one of the biggest hypocrites in the world.

 

[dannno]

Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not make them a troll. He is called a troll because he has a differing opinion, well let me tell ya..... Ya'll are not the epitome of open mindedness around here.

Take a look at the ISIS threads, if someone believes that ISIS has the capability of carrying out a threat, everyone sits around like a group of eight year olds pointing the finger saying "lookie lookie he's scared". The Alinsky style tactic of ridicule is alive and well and working on this board.

I think you missed the point, most of us think that ISIS is funded and controlled by the CIA and various international intelligence organizations so to be worried about Muslim extremism in the form of ISIS or to be fearful of ISIS' capabilities misses the target.

The idea is that the CIA and these international intelligence organizations who are funding ISIS have the very goal of making us be afraid of them so they have an excuse to buy more weapons and fight more wars in the Middle East. So when people are making fun of you for being afraid of ISIS, it isn't because they don't think ISIS is a real threat - because they are a threat just as the 9/11 Al Qaeda terrorists who were aided and funded by the CIA were a threat.... but if you went back in time to save the planet from 9/11, would you go around screaming about Muslim extremists, or would it be better to inform people that Dick Cheney and Wolfowitz were planning a terrorist attack using Muslim extremists to start multiple wars that will last for decades in the Middle East? What good would it do to go around screaming about Muslim extremists?

 

[maybemaybenot]

I think you missed the point, most of us think that ISIS is funded and controlled by the CIA and various international intelligence organizations so to be worried about Muslim extremism in the form of ISIS or to be fearful of ISIS' capabilities misses the target.

The idea is that the CIA and these international intelligence organizations who are funding ISIS have the very goal of making us be afraid of them so they have an excuse to buy more weapons and fight more wars in the Middle East. So when people are making fun of you for being afraid of ISIS, it isn't because they don't think ISIS is a real threat - because they are a threat just as the 9/11 Al Qaeda terrorists who were aided and funded by the CIA were a threat.... but if you went back in time to save the planet from 9/11, would you go around screaming about Muslim extremists, or would it be better to inform people that Dick Cheney and Wolfowitz were planning a terrorist attack using Muslim extremists to start multiple wars that will last for decades in the Middle East? What good would it do to go around screaming about Muslim extremists?

And what is your evidence between CIA/ISIS? Are you just saying its the only logical explanation because the alternative/popular view of ISIS just isn't believable to you, so you're suspicious that it must all be lies?

 

[maybemaybenot]

I love it when I make trolls cry! Thank you for that! You should know about hypocrisy. Your government is one of the biggest hypocrites in the world.

The UN admits Hamas used its schools for weapons storage. But you don't. And I'm the troll? Hamas admits it, you don't. Hamas openly calls for genocide, you deny it. I'm the troll? I think you've spent so much time circle-jerking with other anti-Israel ppl who can't read map, that you just can't comprehend the idea that Israel might not be the fictional character you've made them out to be. Get your hand off your fellow poster's cock and read up on some history for once.

 

[dannno]

Yep, I find the OPs position entirely racist.

Is it more likely that Palestinians hate Israel, initially because they were trying to take over the region, and more recently because they have them living in a militarily occupied concentration camp, or is it more likely that Palestinians are all racists who would hate Jewish people no matter what and want them all dead regardless of their actions or perceived intent?