PA - Man leaves kids, 6 and 9 for 45 minutes at park. Gets arrested, CPS involved as well.

[Anti Federalist]

Accidents happen, and they can happen fast. I remember a friend of mine who walked to school each day (back when this was allowed), she slipped and fell on ice, gashing her head. There was noone around to help her, so she finished walking to school and comes in covered with blood. She turned out OK...but what if she had been completely knocked out and left lying in the snow for who knows how long? What if one of this guys children had fallen off the swing or something & broke her arm. Did they have a cell phone or anyway to get ahold of their dad? Predators seek out children alone for periods of time like these girls were. There were lots of missing/murdered children back in the idyllic 50's, 60's, & 70's.

I agree, calling the police was a bit over the top, but its not safe to leave children that young alone, not at all. It wasn't safe back in the 50's, 60's, 70',s and its even less safe today. Since this lady knew the children, why didn't she just talk to the dad when he got back and explain why leaving the children alone is a bad idea? It was kind of her to watch them, but maybe she had to leave and couldn't watch them anymore, so she chose to call the police, rather than leave them alone to whatever fate befalls them.

Children aren't adults, they shouldn't be expected to take fend for themselves.

Life isn't safe, and by trying our damnedest to mitigate every risk to zero, and achieve perfect safety, you create a life not worth living.

Besides, statistically, you are wrong, rates of abduction and child killing are much lower now than they were 30 years ago.

 

[specsaregood]

Besides, statistically, you are wrong, rates of abduction and child killing are much lower now than they were 30 years ago.

So what youare saying is that the nanny/police state is working! That sounds like an endorsement to me.

 

[Evangelical_Protestant]

I want to be unsafe and free damnit!

 

[JebSanderson]

Then my brother would have said, " I'm sorry sir, it is not authorized to rape the children of this household. If you would like to leave me a detailed message of why you called so I can relay it to my dad then I would be happy to do so. If not, then you have a good day sir, and God bless."

lol, your dad raised such polite children

 

[JebSanderson]

So what youare saying is that the nanny/police state is working! That sounds like an endorsement to me.

AF is a self confessed communist so that shouldn't surprise us.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So what youare saying is that the nanny/police state is working! That sounds like an endorsement to me.

Nah, not really.

Crime goes in cycles, just like climate.

I posted a graph showing violent crime rates going all the way back to the 19th century in the US.

It was low around 1900, spiked up through the middle of the 30s, declined through to the early 60s, spiked again through the 80s and declined through the late 90s, after peaking in the early 90s, to now.

I'll have to dig that up and re-post it.

And all of it without a giant police/surveillance/prison state which is a relatively new phenomenon.

You could make the case that the tremendous rise in armed citizens and concealed carry, something that was pretty much non existent until about 1990 or so had a great deal to do with it as well.

 

[JebSanderson]

Crime goes in cycles, just like climate.

Endorsement of the global warming theory? Seems like it

 

[Evangelical_Protestant]

Nah, not really.

Crime goes in cycles, just like climate.

I posted a graph showing violent crime rates going all the way back to the 19th century in the US.

It was low around 1900, spiked up through the middle of the 30s, declined through to the early 60s, spiked again through the 80s and declined through the late 90s, after peaking in the early 90s, to now.

I'll have to dig that up and re-post it.

And all of it without a giant police/surveillance/prison state.

You could make the case that the tremendous rise in armed citizens and concealed carry, something that was pretty much non existent until about 1990 or so had a great deal to do with it as well.

I bet I could make a chart showing how the regulation of jelly beans reduces violent crime! *sigh* Life is not about charts or graphs or new and awesome university 'studies' , its about being free, happy, and loving. I hope we stop setting our policies based on stats, and more on human emotional wealth soon.

Those who murder should be brought to justice. Punishments should be ridiculously strict. Steal a horse? Prepare to die. Rape someone? You will die. Convictions should be very hard to achieve, but for those convicted the penalty should be harsh. No more assuming the general population is always guilty before a crime was even committed. Legalize freedom please. Thank-you, and God bless.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Those who murder should be brought to justice. Punishments should be ridiculously strict. Steal a horse? Prepare to die. Rape someone? You will die. Convictions should be very hard to achieve, but for those convicted the penalty should be harsh. No more assuming the general population is always guilty before a crime was even committed. Legalize freedom please. Thank-you, and God bless.

I do not support the death penalty.

 

[Evangelical_Protestant]

I bet I could make a chart showing how the regulation of jelly beans reduces violent crime! *sigh* Life is not about charts or graphs or new and awesome university 'studies' , its about being free, happy, and loving. I hope we stop setting our policies based on stats, and more on human emotional wealth soon.

Those who murder should be brought to justice. Punishments should be ridiculously strict. Steal a horse? Prepare to die. Rape someone? You will die. Convictions should be very hard to achieve, but for those convicted the penalty should be harsh. No more assuming the general population is always guilty before a crime was even committed. Legalize freedom please. Thank-you, and God bless.

I think I mis-interpreted the graph before I went on a freedom rant. LOL! Oh well. Freedom is good

 

[Anti Federalist]

I think I mis-interpreted the graph before I went on a freedom rant. LOL! Oh well. Freedom is good

I think you did too.

While at it, since we are both all about freedom, rethink that capital punishment stance as well.

 

[Evangelical_Protestant]

I do not support the death penalty.

I understand. I don't support it either in the current set-up. Its too easy to convict and re-try.

But if a state changed the jury process to where there is no such thing as a hung jury, and either all twelve vote to condemn, or the accused cannot be re-tried even if eleven voted to condemn, and one voted not to condemn, then I would support it.

Even though its horrible, I think death is not always unjust.

 

[Evangelical_Protestant]

I understand. I don't support it either in the current set-up. Its too easy to convict and re-try.

But if a state changed the jury process to where there is no such thing as a hung jury, and either all twelve vote to condemn, or the accused cannot be re-tried even if eleven voted to condemn, and one voted not to condemn, then I would support it.

Even though its horrible, I think death is not always unjust.

And now I see I have hijacked the thread. I shall cease. LOL sorry

 

[Anti Federalist]

And now I see I have hijacked the thread. I shall cease. LOL sorry

It's my thread and this is relevant, or at least as relevant as a discussion on the merits of station wagons.

I understand. I don't support it either in the current set-up. Its too easy to convict and re-try.

But if a state changed the jury process to where there is no such thing as a hung jury, and either all twelve vote to condemn, or the accused cannot be re-tried even if eleven voted to condemn, and one voted not to condemn, then I would support it.

Even though its horrible, I think death is not always unjust.

It's not just the retrials.

It's a whole corrupt chain, from cop, to prosecutors, to judges, to a hand picked jury system.

Cops have sweated death row confessions out of men who were later proved to have been completely innocnet, that they could not have done the crime.

I posted a story recently about some poor bastard in Chicago that has been locked up for twenty years for a double murder that occurred while he was already in jail for an unrelated crime.

There is the, also recently posted, story about the FBI crime labs having corrupted thousands of cases with tainted and incorrect analysis and evidence and how the investigators found this out and deliberately kept the information quiet leaving innocent and potentially innocent men to rot in prison for years after the fact.

And considering that the Executive Branch has now declared the right to kill US citizens on their say alone, without any trial or judicial review, my support for any form of state administered capital punishment is now zero.

 

[rockerrockstar]

It's my thread and this is relevant, or at least as relevant as a discussion on the merits of station wagons.



It's not just the retrials.

It's a whole corrupt chain, from cop, to prosecutors, to judges, to a hand picked jury system.

Cops have sweated death row confessions out of men who were later proved to have been completely innocnet, that they could not have done the crime.

I posted a story recently about some poor bastard in Chicago that has been locked up for twenty years for a double murder that occurred while he was already in jail for an unrelated crime.

There is the, also recently posted, story about the FBI crime labs having corrupted thousands of cases with tainted and incorrect analysis and evidence and how the investigators found this out and deliberately kept the information quiet leaving innocent and potentially innocent men to rot in prison for years after the fact.

And considering that the Executive Branch has now declared the right to kill US citizens on their say alone, without any trial or judicial review, my support for any form of state administered capital punishment is now zero.

What if the guy is a serial killer or kills hundreds of people on a shooting rampage? Now also think of the savings of tax dollars by not keeping these bastards alive in jail tell they die. Just saying there are people that should get the death penalty.

 

[JebSanderson]

What if the guy is a serial killer or kills hundreds of people on a shooting rampage? Now also think of the savings of tax dollars by not keeping these bastards alive in jail tell they die. Just saying there are people that should get the death penalty.

Charles Manson comes to mind. That he wasn't executed before SCOTUS ruled the death penalty unconstitutional sucks. 40 years later and taxpayers are still paying to keep that POS clothed, fed, and sheltered.

 

[Anti Federalist]

What if the guy is a serial killer or kills hundreds of people on a shooting rampage? Now also think of the savings of tax dollars by not keeping these bastards alive in jail tell they die. Just saying there are people that should get the death penalty.

Nope.

Don't care.

I have seen too many wrongful convictions, too many corrupt cops, too many dirty prosecutors and too many ways to get sideways in the "justice" system to ever trust it with a man's life ever again.

There is no retrial, when new evidence comes out, from the grave.

And I, for one, wouldn't mind having Timothy McVeigh around today, to question more thoroughly.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Nope.

Don't care.

I have seen too many wrongful convictions, too many corrupt cops, too many dirty prosecutors and too many ways to get sideways in the "justice" system to ever trust it with a man's life ever again.

There is no retrial, when new evidence comes out, from the grave.

And I, for one, wouldn't mind having Timothy McVeigh around today, to question more thoroughly.

I'm pretty sure Charlie Manson is relatively harmless by now too. Probably has some interesting stories to tell.

 

[JebSanderson]

I'm pretty sure Charlie Manson is relatively harmless by now too. Probably has some interesting stories to tell.

I bet he's not. I'm sure if you let him out he'd recruit another bunch of cretins to follow him as a cult leader. He's got quite a few fans...

 

[AgentOrange]

Another thought I had on this....I wouldn't have any problem with a 6 & 9 year old playing on their own property. Or a friend's property. I bet most people wouldn't. There is an expectation of privacy on ones private property (although it may not always be respected as it should be) I don't have any expectation of privacy in a public area. If someone is going to drop their children off on public property...now I still agree the woman should have talked to the dad first....but on public property, there is no expectation of privacy, and if someone else on that public property is concerned about whats happening on that public property, its logical that they might call on a public officer (police) to investigate. If one is going to use government property, they shouldn't be surprised if they are expected to follow government rules. A lot of people say its not illegal....I don't know about CA, in my area, most parks are clearly marked that children under 12 must be accompanied by an adult, and the CPS code (admittedly I'm not sure of the legal standing of their code) states that a child must be 12 to babysit.