PA - Man leaves kids, 6 and 9 for 45 minutes at park. Gets arrested, CPS involved as well.

[Anti Federalist]

you weren't getting laid anyway.

And besides, your shipmates might take a fancy towards it.

Eh, nvm, better not to comment.

:-|

 

[azxd]

Exceptions exist, and I didn't say the cops rescued anyone ... Did I ?

Is there a reading comprehension issue going on, or are you just looking to argue, stupidly ?

You do have a knack for rallying around the standing army err the cops. So I just wanted to interject a true story that cops didn't help my mother, average teenagers riding bikes (with no helmets) did.

A side-tracked mind

 

[azxd]

No it wasn't. Get real. As a child I wandered around alone all the time. Being in a park alone is no problem. Do people freak out now if they see a 9-year-old bicycling down the street alone? Where are his parents? Where is he going? Why doesn't he have a helmet on? Aaaahhhhhh, too much scary, my head acksplode.

Adult tosses 2 kids out of venicle and drives away ... Hmm.

Why Did Missing Children Start Showing Up on Milk Cartons?
And why don't they appear on milk cartons today?
By Brian Palmer|Posted Friday, April 20, 2012, at 5:53 PM ET
The FBI and the New York Police Department have resumed the search for Etan Patz, who went missing in 1979 at the age of 6. Patz was one of the first missing children to appear on a milk carton. How did photos of missing children end up on milk cartons?
SNIP

 

[AgentOrange]

Accidents happen, and they can happen fast. I remember a friend of mine who walked to school each day (back when this was allowed), she slipped and fell on ice, gashing her head. There was noone around to help her, so she finished walking to school and comes in covered with blood. She turned out OK...but what if she had been completely knocked out and left lying in the snow for who knows how long? What if one of this guys children had fallen off the swing or something & broke her arm. Did they have a cell phone or anyway to get ahold of their dad? Predators seek out children alone for periods of time like these girls were. There were lots of missing/murdered children back in the idyllic 50's, 60's, & 70's.

I agree, calling the police was a bit over the top, but its not safe to leave children that young alone, not at all. It wasn't safe back in the 50's, 60's, 70',s and its even less safe today. Since this lady knew the children, why didn't she just talk to the dad when he got back and explain why leaving the children alone is a bad idea? It was kind of her to watch them, but maybe she had to leave and couldn't watch them anymore, so she chose to call the police, rather than leave them alone to whatever fate befalls them.

Children aren't adults, they shouldn't be expected to take fend for themselves.

 

[anewvoice]

Of course you have that right, I was speaking in a metaphorical sense. I also have the right to think that anyone who lets their 6 year old walk around alone is an idiot.

Yes, and at not point is law enforcement called as there is no law being broken.

I grew up in a much smaller community than SE Michigan is now and we wandered for an entire day, played in the river, went to the pool... We met other kids, other adults and even one cross-dresser (which in our small town was not something you'd be aware of). None of that was an issue but it was supposedly "safer" back then.

Now I have kids and as part of my parenting I have decided to not be over protective. I used to go to the park with them and watch, and caught myself being ridiculously stressed about the unsafe metal slide with no handles or rails. Remembering back to skateboards and pretty much the same metal slide, not to mention the whirly-go-round, I had to step back.

And all of that is my right. I choose where my kids can go and cannot. I choose their time to leave and go. They choose to listen or not (I'm hoping for 50%+).

And again, no need for law enforcement, no laws are being broken.

 

[anewvoice]

Accidents happen, and they can happen fast. I remember a friend of mine who walked to school each day (back when this was allowed), she slipped and fell on ice, gashing her head. There was noone around to help her, so she finished walking to school and comes in covered with blood. She turned out OK...but what if she had been completely knocked out and left lying in the snow for who knows how long? What if one of this guys children had fallen off the swing or something & broke her arm. Did they have a cell phone or anyway to get ahold of their dad? Predators seek out children alone for periods of time like these girls were. There were lots of missing/murdered children back in the idyllic 50's, 60's, & 70's.

I agree, calling the police was a bit over the top, but its not safe to leave children that young alone, not at all. It wasn't safe back in the 50's, 60's, 70',s and its even less safe today. Since this lady knew the children, why didn't she just talk to the dad when he got back and explain why leaving the children alone is a bad idea? It was kind of her to watch them, but maybe she had to leave and couldn't watch them anymore, so she chose to call the police, rather than leave them alone to whatever fate befalls them.

Children aren't adults, they shouldn't be expected to take fend for themselves.

While I don't allow my girls out without their older brother, how do you know the circumstances? How far from home was this playground? If this lady knew the children and was watching (like many of my parents friends did to us), did that make them unsafe or rather did it make them monitored? How many people in that community knew them and watched? How often did they play at this park alone? Was it near a school? Was it near a crack-house? You have to assume that the lady who knew the children also knew the parent in some capacity. Did she have an issue with him? Oh wait, where was the mother, she didn't even bother to be there so maybe she should be charged with negligence too? What if the father had an open carry license and had a gun with him at the playground, what would you think then? Is that being protective to his kids or a danger to others?

I've been given shit for having my kids sit in my locked car outside a 7-11, in clear view of me while I pick up slurpies. Safe or not, I'd sit in the back of my grandpas pickup truck while he'd pick up beer, and a cream soda for me. Was he unsafe and negligent?

We'll all have differing opinions no doubt, but this is not a law enforcement issue, not as defined in that article.

 

[anewvoice]

When I was around that age, I used to go hiking in the woods halfway up a mountain with my cousins who were the same age.

Sometimes I would just wander into the woods or streets alone to do whatever it was I wanted to do. I walked and road my bike everywhere around that age.

I walked to middle school about 3 miles. And yes, there were steep hills going both ways, and there was snow.

But were you bare foot?

 

[azxd]

Comparing your past to the present, and another is not really relevant.

When I was a kid ... All things were possible.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

She repented.

Ahh, OK. That's good. Three cheers for unsupervised childhood!

 

[Yieu]

Tell them why I do not ride in your truck!!!

He has it jacked up so high that I need a ladder to get in it. He doesn't even help me, he rather laugh at me trying to climb into it!!!!!

LOL... I'd probably do the same, if I had a large truck... it would be amusing.

Good man.

 

[Yieu]

But were you bare foot?

No, it wasn't that long ago.

Now I have kids and as part of my parenting I have decided to not be over protective.

Careful, that is situationally and subjectively illegal.

 

[rockerrockstar]

I always wondered why there was not many kids playing out side like when I was a kid. I thought it was because of nitendo or sony playstations or xbox. I never thought it was the law. I did think parents are more paranoid now days because of the media. I guess it depends on the neighborhood. How safe is the town. I lived in a small town when growing up and there was virtually no crime. So I did play out side a lot unsupervised when growing up. I remember coming home before my parents got home from work and being there for several hours before they showed up. I would watch my little bother. I don't think it was that crazy. Parents could get in trouble for that now days.

 

[donnay]

LOL... I'd probably do the same, if I had a large truck... it would be amusing.



Good man.

I see how you men are!

 

[anewvoice]

I always wondered why there was not many kids playing out side like when I was a kid. I thought it was because of nitendo or sony playstations or xbox. I never thought it was the law. I did think parents are more paranoid now days because of the media. I guess it depends on the neighborhood. How safe is the town. I lived in a small town when growing up and there was virtually no crime. So I did play out side a lot unsupervised when growing up. I remember coming home before my parents got home from work and being there for several hours before they showed up. I would watch my little bother. I don't think it was that crazy. Parents could get in trouble for that now days.

That's a good point, I've often lamented that you rarely see pick-up sports games anymore. When I was a kid (LOL, couldn't resist) there would always be a game being played somewhere. Kids would just show up and games would happen. Makes sense if kids are not at parks without parents, they're not going to start a game. Parent there means there is a limit to play time which would make sense to be fewer games.

 

[Yieu]

I see how you men are!

To be honest, I tease her because it usually makes for a cute reaction.

 

[Evangelical_Protestant]

Wow, my dad must be a horrible parent then LOL. He had my eight year old brother babysit me when I was 3-6, as well as feed me, answer the phone, vacuum, and any other household responsibility you can think of while he worked during the day in the summer times back in the late eighties early nineties.

Times are a little different. In the early nineties my dad would send me to the grocery to pick up cigarettes, and all I had to have was a written note with his signature when I was ten years old. He said in the fifties people would be allowed to do the same thing with beer! Times change fast. Not that kids should be able to purchase beer and cigarettes, but it does help to put into perspective the extreme shift in the American personality recently.

 

[JebSanderson]

Wow, my dad must be a horrible parent then LOL. He had my eight year old brother babysit me when I was 3-6, as well as feed me, answer the phone, vacuum, and any other household responsibility you can think of while he worked during the day in the summer times back in the late eighties early nineties.

What if a child rapist had called?!?!?!?

 

[Travlyr]

Ahh, OK. That's good. Three cheers for unsupervised childhood!

And therein lies the problem. If we hadn't been allowed to be free when we were young, then we wouldn't be longing for freedom now.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And therein lies the problem. If we hadn't been allowed to be free when we were young, then we wouldn't be longing for freedom now.

And thus, shipmates, doth endeth this thread.

If all you know is hovering nannyism, then it would stand to reason that is all you would ever expect out of life, and the loss of freedom, you would not even be aware of.

Like describing wet to a fish, you are surrounded by surveillance since the moment of your birth.

 

[Evangelical_Protestant]

What if a child rapist had called?!?!?!?

Then my brother would have said, " I'm sorry sir, it is not authorized to rape the children of this household. If you would like to leave me a detailed message of why you called so I can relay it to my dad then I would be happy to do so. If not, then you have a good day sir, and God bless."