PA - Man leaves kids, 6 and 9 for 45 minutes at park. Gets arrested, CPS involved as well.

[heavenlyboy34]

I bet he's not. I'm sure if you let him out he'd recruit another bunch of cretins to follow him as a cult leader. He's got quite a few fans...

Based on what?

 

[AgentOrange]

Based on what?

Well, he does still have a fan club. www.charlesmansonfanclub.com

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Well, he does still have a fan club. www.charlesmansonfanclub.com

ah, yes...excuse me-in my hurry I neglected to ask the correct question. I was referring to your claim that I was wrong when I said "I'm pretty sure Charlie Manson is relatively harmless by now too". The fact that he has a fan club is irrelevant. I'm well aware of the fan club-and that he's been getting fan mail in prison for years.

 

[Kluge]

ah, yes...excuse me-in my hurry I neglected to ask the correct question. I was referring to your claim that I was wrong when I said "I'm pretty sure Charlie Manson is relatively harmless by now too". The fact that he has a fan club is irrelevant. I'm well aware of the fan club-and that he's been getting fan mail in prison for years.

Just out of curiosity, is there something about Manson that you admire?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

The death penalty is actually the one issue that Ron Paul has changed his position on over the decades. He used to support it, for all the perfectly sound justice-related reasons Evangelical_Protestant has. But then over time he came to realize what AF has also realized: it's just too much power, too final and tragically irreversible of a power, to entrust to the government.

In fact, I'm pretty sure just using the words "entrust" and "government" in the same sentence is a serious error. On multiple levels.

 

[cjm]

Hey y'all-do modern playgrounds even have monkey bars and various climbing apparatus? Those were fun as hell, but I been helicopter parents and sissies would demand them torn down.

The ones I've seen are very very low, and have several inches of fluffy rubber padding under them. When I was a kid, the padding was called "gravel."

Fast moving thread. My childhood experiences were similar for the most part, more "extreme" (by today's standards) in certain cases. My parents were never arrested and I always made it home.

The comments on "dangerous" playgrounds reminded me of this article. It's a good read -- the comments are good too:

http://1000awesomethings.com/2008/07/18/980-playground-equipment/

Another classic playground: http://retrocrush.com/archive2006/sfoplayground/

 

[donnay]

I bet he's not. I'm sure if you let him out he'd recruit another bunch of cretins to follow him as a cult leader. He's got quite a few fans...

Mason was a classic example of Mk Ultra. A tool for a military psy-op.

 

[azxd]

Those who murder should be brought to justice. Punishments should be ridiculously strict. Steal a horse? Prepare to die. Rape someone? You will die. Convictions should be very hard to achieve, but for those convicted the penalty should be harsh. No more assuming the general population is always guilty before a crime was even committed. Legalize freedom please. Thank-you, and God bless.

I do not support the death penalty.

Those who think as you do should have a special box on your tax form (until repealed) that allows you to donate an additional amount to finance those serving life sentences, because of the bleeding heart, don't kill the killer, mentality.

I'd rather we follow the Evangelical_Protestant idea.

 

[azxd]

I understand. I don't support it either in the current set-up. Its too easy to convict and re-try.

But if a state changed the jury process to where there is no such thing as a hung jury, and either all twelve vote to condemn, or the accused cannot be re-tried even if eleven voted to condemn, and one voted not to condemn, then I would support it.

Even though its horrible, I think death is not always unjust.

I think you stated it well enough (I took it as you now describe) ... If it is absolute, there is no reason to spend $50,000 per year, for the next 20 years, while someone appeals their case.
If the sentence is death ... Get a rope.

 

[azxd]

What if the guy is a serial killer or kills hundreds of people on a shooting rampage? Now also think of the savings of tax dollars by not keeping these bastards alive in jail tell they die. Just saying there are people that should get the death penalty.

YEP

 

[azxd]

The death penalty is actually the one issue that Ron Paul has changed his position on over the decades. He used to support it, for all the perfectly sound justice-related reasons Evangelical_Protestant has. But then over time he came to realize what AF has also realized: it's just too much power, too final and tragically irreversible of a power, to entrust to the government.

In fact, I'm pretty sure just using the words "entrust" and "government" in the same sentence is a serious error. On multiple levels.

And if we restore a more limited form of government, he might start supporting it again ... Just say'n

 

[KCIndy]

Those who think as you do should have a special box on your tax form (until repealed) that allows you to donate an additional amount to finance those serving life sentences, because of the bleeding heart, don't kill the killer, mentality.
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How would you suggest we fund reparations for those turn out to be innocent of the charges? Ones who are terminated by the state because crooked cops, egotistical prosecutors and apathetic juries might just - just - happen to put the wrong person behind bars?

I'm not a "bleeding heart" type at all, by the way. But the first time I actually began to dig into the numbers, I was horrified at the sheer number of people who had been put in prison under the flimsiest of evidence, and who had to fight tooth and nail against prosecutors and District Attorneys whose egos would not allow them to admit they were wrong even when confronted with unquestionable DNA evidence that exonerated the convicted individual.

It's beyond scary, and I hope it doesn't happen to anyone reading this.

 

[azxd]

Those who think as you do should have a special box on your tax form (until repealed) that allows you to donate an additional amount to finance those serving life sentences, because of the bleeding heart, don't kill the killer, mentality.

How would you suggest we fund reparations for those turn out to be innocent of the charges? Ones who are terminated by the state because crooked cops, egotistical prosecutors and apathetic juries might just - just - happen to put the wrong person behind bars?

I'm not a "bleeding heart" type at all, by the way. But the first time I actually began to dig into the numbers, I was horrified at the sheer number of people who had been put in prison under the flimsiest of evidence, and who had to fight tooth and nail against prosecutors and District Attorneys whose egos would not allow them to admit they were wrong even when confronted with unquestionable DNA evidence that exonerated the convicted individual.

It's beyond scary, and I hope it doesn't happen to anyone reading this.

Allow the family to sue the jury members who developed the guilty verdict, allow the family members to sue to defense attorney, and allow the family members to sue to prosecuting attorney ... All lawsuit's at the personal level ... The idea proposed by Evangelical_Protestant is an absolute.

You make damn sure, or you do not convict.

 

[donnay]

Those who think as you do should have a special box on your tax form (until repealed) that allows you to donate an additional amount to finance those serving life sentences, because of the bleeding heart, don't kill the killer, mentality.

I'd rather we follow the Evangelical_Protestant idea.

Really? Dr. Paul does not support the death penalty either--but then again he doesn't support the income tax either.

 

[azxd]

Really? Dr. Paul does not support the death penalty either--but then again he doesn't support the income tax either.

Keep reading the thread ... He once did, and might again.

 

[phill4paul]

One thing is for certain. POSTHUMOUS exoneration is a rather hollow victory to the one murdered by the state.

 

[azxd]

One thing is for certain. POSTHUMOUS exoneration is a rather hollow victory to the one murdered by the state.

I'm heartbroken over such a word choice LOL
A jury made the decision, and the State issued their sentence, based on the verdict of the jury.

A sentence was/is carried out

 

[phill4paul]

I'm heartbroken over such a word choice LOL
A jury made the decision, and the State issued their sentence, based on the verdict of the jury.

A sentence was/is carried out

Juries make their decisions based on the evidence provided by the state. The state has been known to falsify and/or withhold evidence.
Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter).
Falsifying or withholding evidence in a capital case is malice aforethought. Therefore, the state is culpable.

 

[azxd]

Juries make their decisions based on the evidence provided by the state. The state has been known to falsify and/or withhold evidence.
Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter).
Falsifying or withholding evidence in a capital case is malice aforethought. Therefore, the state is culpable.

Argue with yourself

 

[donnay]

I'm heartbroken over such a word choice LOL
A jury made the decision, and the State issued their sentence, based on the verdict of the jury.

A sentence was/is carried out

A corrupted system from stem to stern--corrupted prosecutors, District Attorney's to Judges.

DOJ Investigation Found FBI Lab Produced Unreliable Evidence - But Only Informed Prosecutors of Results

FBI Evidence Screw-Ups Hidden in Hundreds of Cases