Our US Constitution is NOT a social contract.

[otherone]

ONLY 100% democracy with FULL compliance to vote is reasonable.
before we do ANYTHING, we must FORCE 100% of the people to provide "consent".

there is NO other path comrade.

One essential of a free government is that it rest wholly on voluntary support. And one certain proof that a government is not free, is that it coerces more or less persons to support it, against their will.
Lysander Spooner

 

[HVACTech]

One essential of a free government is that it rest wholly on voluntary support. And one certain proof that a government is not free, is that it coerces more or less persons to support it, against their will.
Lysander Spooner

thats complicated dude. complicated stuff befuddles me.

so.
we MUST have full "consent" BUT, if requiring "consent" involves the use of force, it is bad... right?

 

[Anti Federalist]

all I have stated is that the anti-federalists. were in FACT. AGAINST the 2nd constitution.

Of course they were, why do you keep belabouring the obvious?

seems that you are also not a big supporter of the AoC either. uh, OK.

All I said was I never mentioned it in this thread.

can we agree, that the BOR, is a compilation of "Natural rights" given to us by our creator? yes?

so, IF they were SO frickin clear... why were the 9th and 10th added?

So that, down the road, other rights, not specifically mentioned but that exist, could not be infringed.

 

[Anti Federalist]

WITHOUT the BOR, its purpose and intent would have been clear.

the addition of the BOR opened the door to tyranny.

Show me in the body of the constitution where it prohibits the federal government from passing a law that says all persons must attend church service.

 

[Anti Federalist]

dude, the BOR was "tacked" onto the 2nd Constitution. and was NOT central to or even involved in it's passage.

Of course it was.

Had the BoR not been added, the Anti Feds would have not have agreed to ratification.

the BOR opened the door for it to be "amended" get it?
prior to the BOR, it ONLY pertained to and restricted the fedgov.

The Amendment process is in the body of the constitution.

you would know these things IF you were not so busy fucking with people who SUPPORT and defend our constitution.

I did NOT have to take an oath to do this.

Nobody is fucking with anybody.

You're just wrong.

AF does not even support the Aoc. just what does he stand for then?

Freedom.

We don't have it right now.

So I have to look at the reasons why.

And the first place I'm going to look is the founding document, the supreme law of the land, that exists, specifically "to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" and determ ine to the best of my ability how and where it failed.

 

[HVACTech]

Show me in the body of the constitution where it prohibits the federal government from passing a law that says all persons must attend church service.

are you familiar with the term "enumerated powers"
why sir, did it HAVE to be "amended" to allow for the taxation of the people? or the prohibition of alcohol?

the founders turned the table on YOUR argument, not me sir.

 

[Anti Federalist]

are you familiar with the term "enumerated powers"
why sir, did it HAVE to be "amended" to allow for the taxation of the people? or the prohibition of alcohol?

the founders turned the table on YOUR argument, not me sir.

Clearly, they did not have to amend the constitution to do so.

For whatever reason, it was considered more expedient at the time.

Show me the amendment that prohibits marijuana.

Or the one that prohibits private ownership of newly built automatic weapons.

 

[Anti Federalist]

are you familiar with the term "enumerated powers"
why sir, did it HAVE to be "amended" to allow for the taxation of the people? or the prohibition of alcohol?

the founders turned the table on YOUR argument, not me sir.

Clearly, they did not have to amend the constitution to do so.

For whatever reason, it was considered more expedient at the time.

Show me the amendment that prohibits marijuana.

Or the one that prohibits private ownership of newly built automatic weapons.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Of course it was.

Had the BoR not been added, the Anti Feds would have not have agreed to ratification.



The Amendment process is in the body of the constitution.



Nobody is fucking with anybody.

You're just wrong.



Freedom.

We don't have it right now.

So I have to look at the reasons why.

And the first place I'm going to look is the founding document, the supreme law of the land, that exists, specifically "to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" and determ ine to the best of my ability how and where it failed.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

Someone +rep this guy, plz^^

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

And the first place I'm going to look is the founding document, the supreme law of the land, that exists, specifically "to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" and determ ine to the best of my ability how and where it failed.

The failure is in the First Amendments not describing the purpose of free speech as being to create the unity needed to alter or abolish.

That failure led to our failure to unify adequately to keep the states vigilante to application of constitutional limits upon the federal government.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Show me in the body of the constitution where it prohibits the federal government from passing a law that says all persons must attend church service.

The First Amendment.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

why sir, did it HAVE to be "amended" to allow for the taxation of the people?

It didn't. The power to tax has always been in the Constitution (I.8.1).

 

[Anti Federalist]

The First Amendment.

Yes, exactly.

The argument was that, according to some, the BoR was unneeded.

So I want to see where it says, specifically, in the body of the document, that government is prohibited from passing such a law.

Of course, no one will be able to post that, because it does not exist.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights." - Smedley Darlington Butler

Author of "War is a Racket", two time Medal of Honor awardee, most decorated Marine at the time, and my great Uncle.

So now you know where I get it from.

 

[TheTexan]

Show me in the body of the constitution where it prohibits the federal government from passing a law that says all persons must attend church service.

Is it ok if you dont call it church, and only require kids to attend

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I bolded some conflicting thoughts.



we seem to agree that it has been blatantly, disregarded and ignored.
were we differ. is that I blame the "people" you blame the document, for this agreed upon error.

one person suggested that the word "we" in the opening sentence, made it a social contract.

"we the people" even today, have the power to FORCE the changes that we wish to see happen, all we have to do, is the send the right people there to do it.
we are getting the government that we deserve.

both Ron Paul and Rand Paul believe that the constitution that we have now... offers us the best chance to avoid violence.
you, on the other hand.



I still believe in Ron Paul, Rand Paul AND the constitution.
you do NOT.

therefore, YOU are here to cause trouble and give me grief..

I don't deserve the ill consequences from half-wits, indoctrinated fools, and unproductive leeches voting for tyrants.

You are case in point why 'we' cannot have nice things.

 

[HVACTech]

I don't deserve the ill consequences from half-wits, indoctrinated fools, and unproductive leeches voting for tyrants.

You are case in point why 'we' cannot have nice things.

fascinating conjecture, for a fool.
thanks for the neg rep, may I have another?

 

[fr33]

can you push "consent" lower than that?

pontificate thus.

Yes. There is nothing more local than myself. Stop calling yourself a good neighbor while telling others what to do.

 

[HVACTech]

Yes. There is nothing more local than myself. Stop calling yourself a good neighbor while telling others what to do.

There is nothing more local than myself.

There is nothing more local than myself.

There is nothing more local than myself.

what do I do now?
spin around and chant it again?

 

[Natural Citizen]

fascinating conjecture, for a fool.
thanks for the neg rep, may I have another?

I covered another neg for him.

I'll tell you what. For someone who presents himself as someone who couldn't blow his nose if his brain were dynamite around here, you sure do like to insult people.