Our US Constitution is NOT a social contract.

[Origanalist]

I covered another neg for him.

Why? He's entitled to his opinion. I'm partially on board with him despite his attack mode, it's why I still donate when I can and even still vote. Hope springs eternal......

 

[Natural Citizen]

Why? He's entitled to his opinion. I'm partially on board with him despite his attack mode, it's why I still donate when I can and even still vote. Hope springs eternal......

I don't like him. He's said a lot of things about me that simply weren't true for no other reason than to get some attention as far as I can tell. And I see him do it to a lot of people. It's his attack mode that I don't like. I'd bump some of those comments he's made but there isn't much to be had from doing so. Beyond that, his language is filthy. Some of the nasty things he says behind the anonymity of a keyboard would get him rolled backward a couple times in the real world.

 

[Origanalist]

I don't like him. He's said a lot of things about me that simply weren't true for no other reason than to get some attention as far as I can tell. And I see him do it to a lot of people. It's his attack mode that I don't like. I'd bump some of those comments he's made but there isn't much to be had from doing so. Beyond that, his language is filthy. Some of the nasty things he says behind the anonymity of a keyboard would get him rolled backward a couple times in the real world.

You don't need to bump them, I'm well aware. He's lashing out because he does't like what he's reading. But, yet, he's still here....

And I recall someone someone who showed up just in the last week or so running his mouth much worse, but for some strange reason he just disappeared.

I think the guy isn't so far removed from the people he's railing against, sometimes I wish my eyes hadn't been opened.

 

[HVACTech]

I don't like him. He's said a lot of things about me that simply weren't true for no other reason than to get some attention as far as I can tell. And I see him do it to a lot of people. It's his attack mode that I don't like. I'd bump some of those comments he's made but there isn't much to be had from doing so. Beyond that, his language is filthy. Some of the nasty things he says behind the anonymity of a keyboard would get him rolled backward a couple times in the real world.

there are not that many high level HVAC/Rtechs in Hot Springs AR.
my name is NOT a secret.

yours is.

 

[HVACTech]

You don't need to bump them, I'm well aware. He's lashing out because he does't like what he's reading. But, yet, he's still here....

And I recall someone someone who showed up just in the last week or so running his mouth much worse, but for some strange reason he just disappeared.

I think the guy isn't so far removed from the people he's railing against, sometimes I wish my eyes hadn't been opened.

thank you sir,
the natural human condition is AnCap.
meaning, ALL humans want to be left alone and to have free markets.

trumpeting it as a solution.
is adolescent.

 

[Origanalist]

thank you sir,
the natural human condition is AnCap.
meaning, ALL humans want to be left alone and to have free markets.

trumpeting it as a solution.
is adolescent.

Not adolescent, just not realistic considering the mentality of your average boob tube informed american. (yes, I know I didn't capitalize that word)

Unfortunately I must disagree with you. Most people now do not "want to be left alone and to have free markets" or we wouldn't be in the shape we are.

 

[HVACTech]

Not adolescent, just not realistic considering the mentality of your average boob tube informed american. (yes, I know I didn't capitalize that word)

Unfortunately I must disagree with you. Most people now do not "want to be left alone and to have free markets" or we wouldn't be in the shape we are.

yah, the statists are a real problem.
and yes! they are winning!
why? because we do not present a cohesive front.

we argue ENDLESSLY over the EXACT meanings of the word "state" and "consent"

Lysander Spooner rocks dude!

ONLY Lysander and the anti-federalists got it right!

 

[Natural Citizen]

there are not that many high level HVAC/Rtechs in Hot Springs AR.
my name is NOT a secret.

yours is.

No, it isn't. That's where you're mistaken. A lot of people here know who I am. And they know me well enough to call me if they need help with anything productive. Do you know why they know who I am and you don't? I'll tell you why. Firstly, because I care very little about who you are or what you do. To me, you're just a dolt sitting behind a keyboard with a smart mouth. How many threads have you even started since you changed your screen name? 5 maybe? And about what? Silly crap. Secondly, it's because those people who do know aren't here to talk about their adventures in ac repair every 3 posts. That's why. We're not in Hot Springs AR with a busted air conditioner. We're on RPF doing something relevant.

If you want to run your trap about air conditioning, there are several forums that exist for the purpose of the subject. Seek them out if you're looking to glorify how good you think you are at your day job.

 

[erowe1]

yes, by it's very existence it recognized the "state" as something necessary.

I therefore bow my head in shame to YOUR profound wisdom and detailed understanding of the meaning of the word "state"

were I ONLY able to wrap my meager mind around this word. I would understand.

Is sarcasm your way of avoiding discussion? Why did you bother even making this thread?

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

I would wager a good four fifths of this country have never read the Constitution. I would wager that at least 99 out of 100 have no clue as to what the document means with regards to original intent. And I'd further wager that perhaps no two could agree on the exact meaning of the Constitution.

Agreed, but is focus on the original intent a way to escape the dysfunctional dogma impairing our collective action in our best interest?

I think so, and could support that such a position itself was intended just by referring to what led to the constitution from the intents defined in the Declaration of Independence.

Chiefly the extension of alter or abolish as Article V.

Furthermore, not a single person, absent those who supposedly take an oath to uphold it, are contractually obligated to do anything because of it. If it weren't for a group of unproductive cowards applying some twisted legal theory, that is.

True enough, but natural law dictates we take action protecting our lives, our liberty and our pursuit of happiness.

Therein is the basis of logic dictating, naturally, that we focus on the original
Intent rather than the various dysfunctional aspects detailed in the thread.

That is before I even go into what a generally shitty document it was and is.

It codified the return of slaves to slave holders and some people worship it as their Ten Commandments.

The only thing really good about it is many people know it exists and believe it stands for rights we have that government cannot violate.

Is there anything wrong with using the knowledge and belief of the people to help them to act in their best interests by using a superior grasp of the situation and standing for the unity of Americans in defense of unalienable rights in whatever and most functional said unity might be found?

 

[Henry Rogue]

thank you,

now, lets move on to the meaning of the word "STATE" shall we?
"I am in a Texas state of mind".

we have a "state" called Virginia. was this "state" always known thusly? no, it was NOT.
before it became the "state" of Virginia, it was probably in another state. or, perhaps not in any state at all. (wilderness)

as an HVACTech, I DO know the meaning of the word "state"



I am STILL waiting for the double ought secret meaning of this word for you.
please enlighten me sir.

You are asking Proindividual to elaborate on something he never wrote. You confused Proindividual with A Son of Liberty.

 

[fr33]

what do I do now?
spin around and chant it again?

Shove it up your ass for all I care. Is there a point to this post?

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

No,
No, it isn't. That's where you're mistaken. A lot of people here know who I am. And they know me well enough to call me if they need help with anything productive.

I'm calling you because I need help with something productive.

HVAC has not been accountable to accept that free speech has a specific and ultimate purpose nor has he explained why he does not agree and accept that purpose. He has not explained what sacrifices or compromises making said agreement and acceptance would constitute. He's been asked several time and refuses. Many have.

Before I ask you if you agree and accept that such purpose is to enable unity adequate to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights, I should ask you if you understand the potential product of prime constitutional intent shared, understood and agreed upon and accepted by American people related to Article V as the codified method, under the law of the land, to alter or abolish?

 

[Ender]

I'm calling you because I need help with something productive.

HVAC has not been accountable to accept that free speech has a specific and ultimate purpose nor has he explained why he does not agree and accept that purpose. He has not explained what sacrifices or compromises making said agreement and acceptance would constitute. He's been asked several time and refuses. Many have.

Before I ask you if you agree and accept that such purpose is to enable unity adequate to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights, I should ask you if you understand the potential product of prime constitutional intent shared, understood and agreed upon and accepted by American people related to Article V as the codified method, under the law of the land, to alter or abolish?

Dude- the Constitution was a coup- the only viable American document is the Declaration- start there.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Dude- the Constitution was a coup- the only viable American document is the Declaration- start there.

Maybe you are missing that the term "alter or abolish" is of the Declaration.

Maybe you don't know that the Declaration is not considered law.

Maybe you've missed how I use the a Declaration to show constitutional intent.

Article V is the codified intent of "alter or abolish".

QUESTION:

If the framers intended for the American people to have the right to alter or abolish, they obviously intended for them to have enough power available to prevail in that manner over government powerful enough to be destructive to unalienable rights. Obviously the unity of the American people is the only way they can have that power.

What did the framers intend to serve the purpose of creating that unity amongst the people?

 

[acptulsa]

If the framers intended for the American people to have the right to alter or abolish, they obviously intended for them to have enough power available to prevail in that manner over government powerful enough to be destructive to unalienable rights. Obviously the unity of the American people is the only way they can have that power.

It isn't obvious. It doesn't even follow. The Constitution does not require unanimity to effect change, whether among the electorate, in Congress, or when it comes to amendments.

What did the framers intend to serve the purpose of creating that unity amongst the people?

Obviously nothing in the Bill of Rights, considering the document was framed, debated and ratified before the Bill of Rights even existed as such.

 

[TheTexan]

Maybe you don't know that the Declaration is not considered law.

Phrased differently, the Declaration of Independence is illegal

 

[otherone]

Phrased differently, the Declaration of Independence is illegal

Repped.
Please lend me some reps for Mr. Annoying. One of the most spot-on comments I've read on RPF in some time.
Kudos, sir.

 

[Suzanimal]

Repped.
Please lend me some reps for Mr. Annoying. One of the most spot-on comments I've read on RPF in some time.
Kudos, sir.

Gladly. I like bxm042.

 

[Anti Federalist]

third-ed