OUR NEW PROJECT. We are going to hold the very first LIVE internet multi party debate
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Bradley in DC
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G for Gerard?
"Gerard" perhaps, since he has also e-mailed people with "Steven Gerard"?
"Gerard" perhaps, since he has also e-mailed people with "Steven Gerard"?
Note *established* members get leeway
"There is very little tolerance for violations, particular for new members."
And you don't think that rule applies to you when you challenge the moderators in posts here and publicly post putdowns about these same moderators on DP?
Do you think it's smart to challenge the people who have the authority to put you back on "ban"?
Truly a double standard-
New acronym: SPDS= "Steve Parent Double Standard"
And extremely "unprofessional" for a "businessman"-
Obviously, the RPF moderators have been cracking down on *your* posts-
Take a look at the list of subjects of just the threads you *started* (183 posts):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=1978032
How many break the forum rules?
"There is very little tolerance for violations, particular for new members."
And you don't think that rule applies to you when you challenge the moderators in posts here and publicly post putdowns about these same moderators on DP?
Do you think it's smart to challenge the people who have the authority to put you back on "ban"?
Truly a double standard-
New acronym: SPDS= "Steve Parent Double Standard"
And extremely "unprofessional" for a "businessman"-
Obviously, the RPF moderators have been cracking down on *your* posts-
Take a look at the list of subjects of just the threads you *started* (183 posts):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=1978032
How many break the forum rules?
yongrel
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What a lovely little thread this has become.
Dr. Steve has appointed himself as some sort of grassroots leader, a position that demands transparency. Not to mention, he has also solicited donations to support his for-profit site on numerous occasions, which also demands identity verification.
I have not given my identity or personal information out ever on this forum. Why? Because I don't claim to be anything more than an obnoxious libertarian with some free time. I don't run around asking for money or followers. There is no need to know who I am.
Dr. Steve though, is held to a higher standard as a result of his own actions and claims.
Dr. Steve has appointed himself as some sort of grassroots leader, a position that demands transparency. Not to mention, he has also solicited donations to support his for-profit site on numerous occasions, which also demands identity verification.
I have not given my identity or personal information out ever on this forum. Why? Because I don't claim to be anything more than an obnoxious libertarian with some free time. I don't run around asking for money or followers. There is no need to know who I am.
Dr. Steve though, is held to a higher standard as a result of his own actions and claims.
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When I had a project that needed funding I was sure to establish a highly visable presence, through activism, that helped establish my credibilty. I have been transparent since the beginning. Additionally, I spent ALL of my own available funds first. SGP could easily establish credibility, as I did. His declared intention to remain anonymous is his problem. Leaders step up, he has not.
And I imagine if you have read the guidlelines, you have not read them well.
He is not providing a public service. He is starting a private venture.
Why they made me a Mod? I guess a year of "over the top" effort and substantial, sober input was a factor. I suppose getting to know admin in person was a factor. My transparency probably was a factor. For certain, I resisted this position, and only took it on because the cause is worth the hassle.
I remember that, I think I PM'd you to take it down...
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Is this him??? too wierd. This guy Steve Girard calls his company "SGM" and is a radio host. Steve Parent calls himseld "SGP" is a radio host, and sometimes signs his emails Steve Gerard according to Sally. wtf?
http://www.stevegirard.com/
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i thought that's what our friendly mod was asking about w/ that one thread yesterday.
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Yea I just didnt get it until right now
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I think some of you are forgetting that this whole saga is by no means a new thing.
There is a line you cross when you solicit donations for ventures on this site. There have been repeated requests for more details on Mr. Parent, and these were initiated by the fundraising drive for his radio station. No one has to disclose anything on this site, but it's a commonly known and in my opinion a reasonable expectation that if you are going to request this board's membership to consider donation solicitations, you will need to be 1000% transparent in your identity.
Want to get ahold of Linda Hunnicutt of Granny Warriors? Her information is posted all over the place. Scores of supporters on this board have met her. Scores of supporters on this board have met RonPaulHawaii, BJ Lawson, Vern McKinley, OLFD people, etc. Their phone numbers are out there, and people have shaken their hands.
Once you cross that line of supporter to purported leader and soliciting donations, things change on this board. This guy has been given ample opportunities to put himself out there, but he's still nothing more than a voice on the radio and phone, and a pile of posts on blogs.
There is a line you cross when you solicit donations for ventures on this site. There have been repeated requests for more details on Mr. Parent, and these were initiated by the fundraising drive for his radio station. No one has to disclose anything on this site, but it's a commonly known and in my opinion a reasonable expectation that if you are going to request this board's membership to consider donation solicitations, you will need to be 1000% transparent in your identity.
Want to get ahold of Linda Hunnicutt of Granny Warriors? Her information is posted all over the place. Scores of supporters on this board have met her. Scores of supporters on this board have met RonPaulHawaii, BJ Lawson, Vern McKinley, OLFD people, etc. Their phone numbers are out there, and people have shaken their hands.
Once you cross that line of supporter to purported leader and soliciting donations, things change on this board. This guy has been given ample opportunities to put himself out there, but he's still nothing more than a voice on the radio and phone, and a pile of posts on blogs.
yongrel
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Exactly.
As a grassroots follower, I can be anonymous. As a grassroots leader, I could not be.
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Your logic and intelligence intrigue me. If mdh falls off the face of the earth, will you date me?
All kidding aside, qft. It's alarming to hear people tell you "it doesn't matter who he is", "it's obvious he's not in it for any personal gain", "it doesn't matter if he lies", "it doesn't matter no one's met him", "it doesn't matter he's been out of the country for months"... these are the same people within the organization who have him at the helm (even financially), but that's their choice. I've been through this before already and it didn't end well. The whole community's had its fair share of "trust me" people come, ask for money, then vanish with the funds. I think it also bears mentioning that, the bigger your claims (and any number of qualifiers added after the fact will never change the spirit of the original post), the more skepticism they will inspire.
We are going to host the very first LIVE internet multi party debate for every candidate running for President which includes Dr. Paul... This could mean MSM coverage all over the country....
To many people, the make-or-break point is going to be whether or not any of the "big three" is going to take place. It's not some personal curiosity, it's whether or not the MSM notices. People aren't clinging to that because of some personal love for the MSM, they are referring to the original post. I don't see this getting "MSM coverage all over the country" if it's 3rd Party Candidates & Dr. Paul... even if it will still be an exciting and interesting debate with "just" those people. I'd have to ignore the spirit of the original post, though, in arriving at that determination.
Lastly, there is hypocrisy afoot... which is what always smells worst to me. Maybe you all mean well?
I want to know what everyone thinks of this idea... Yongrel you are not welcome in this thread! ... No profanity in this thread.... Last edited by Drsteveparent : Yesterday at 10:26 PM. Reason: yongrel
What was meant, apparently, is everyone other than Yongrel (DrYongrel is OK though!), and everyone who can keep from cursing (despite the fact that a mild amount of profanity has always been around on the forums).
If profanity offends the RB listeners, then perhaps removing the link to RPF threads from the front page would be advisable. "Calling for backup" to a location where the "backup" will likely be offended seems like a weak attempt at pandering, and organizing such "damage control" a bit far-fetched... I actually would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it.
Anyhow, that's my inflation-mangled $0.02 worth. Cowlesy I hope this doesn't spoil my chances... *little cartoon hearts*
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Can someone analyze the voice in this vs. Steve Parent's voice on his radio outlet?
Exactly. I'll be honest, I'm a pretty trusting guy. I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. That ends the minute you lie to my face. I spent about 20 minutes defending Steve Parent before he lied to my face in a way that I was able to easily prove. That raised some very big red flags for me. The lie he told keeps being brought up, too, and he keeps ignoring the point. The fact is he claimed, as El_Buggo, that he was not Steve Parent. The IPs matched 100% though, and also matched to IPs used here, on dailypaul, etc.
People know Michael. Michael knows people. That goes a heck of a long way. Not even Steve Parent's biggest supporters have met him.
Correct. He has repeatedly stated that revolutionbroadcasting is a for-profit venture. Profit margins are one possible reason it costs him double what it costs me to run rpiradio.com to operate his station.
Seems doubtful. I mean, this Steve Girard media thing seems legit, why would he want to hide that? Also, SGM is in Baltimore, while Steve Parent has always originated from Manitoba, Canada, so it doesn't really match up. Could be, but extremely low likelihood.
This is pretty much my point. Plus the fact that most of us have not been caught lying in a blatant and obvious way the way that I caught Steve Parent.
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From the DP
On May 9th, 2008 Laurie says:
I want to know why "Dr. Steve" hasn't been sued.
Perhaps someone should donate, then sue for fraud?
On May 9th, 2008 Laurie says:
I want to know why "Dr. Steve" hasn't been sued.
Perhaps someone should donate, then sue for fraud?
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