OUR NEW PROJECT. We are going to hold the very first LIVE internet multi party debate

[revolutionary8]

Then please before you pass judgement on us come and listen to what we are doing for you might be suprised at the progress we are making.

To address your last question yo added after i responded already.

oops. forgot to ask you WHY.
Dr.Steve- WHY do you do what you do?

Because i happen to believe there is still hope to turn America around if we just unify and stop all this useless bickering.

I take personal attacks on a daily basis but i am still here because i will not quit until we have restored our Freedoms and Liberty

wow.
"you would be surprised at the progress they are making".

 

[VTV]

Why don't you send Bryan proof that you are an American physician named Steve Parent while you're at it?

You are right that specific personal information such as your address and license number is not our business, but knowledge of whether or not you are lying about your identity (as all signs suggest) is.

If you are an American physician named Steve Parent you can easily prove it to Bryan without him releasing your personal information. Him vouching for you would stop speculation about your identity.

You can try to spin your unwillingness to do this however you want, but the bottom line is that there's no reason you'd refuse if you are who you say you are. It's that simple.

Are you going to demand Idenity verification of EVERY SINGLE GRASSROOTS EFFORT FOR RON PAUL?

Seriously, you people are out of your mind sometimes.

 

[humanic]

I take personal attacks on a daily basis

Why don't you send Bryan proof that you are an American physician named Steve Parent?

You are right that specific personal information such as your address and license number is not our business, but knowledge of whether or not you are lying about your identity (as all signs suggest) is.

If you are an American physician named Steve Parent you can easily prove it to Bryan without him releasing your personal information. Him vouching for you would stop speculation about your identity.

You can try to spin your unwillingness to do this however you want, but the bottom line is that there's no reason you'd refuse if you are who you say you are. It's that simple.

 

[VTV]

This is a question which demands an answer. I wish we'd gotten an answer regarding El_Buggo and the subsequent denials, but I'll settle for an answer to Michael's far more pertinent question here...

Matt, it's a non-profit grass roots effort not unlike RPI radio in that regard. Just like any other public broadcasting venture. Why should he have to pay for it all himself? You going to start paying for RPI completely out of your pocket? Of course not nor should you have to. You are providing a public service and there is no reason the public should not donate for it.

 

[Kludge]

This thread is a joke (ALL of it.). You are not entitled to credibility. If you claim something, you have the burden of proof.

To attack someone who not only does immeasurable good for the movement, pays heaps of money to libertarian candidates and STILL juggles time so that he can better RPFs through moderation is despicably low....


All of us are scrutinized by each other, whether beneficial or ultimately harmful. Do not expect to receive any help without credentials.

 

[humanic]

Are you going to demand Idenity verification of EVERY SINGLE GRASSROOTS EFFORT FOR RON PAUL?

No. To my knowledge we've never demanded identity verification before, and I'm doubtful that we will again any time soon. This is because, unlike "Dr. Steve", we do not usually have legitimate reasons to suspect someone is lying about their identity.

Once again: You can try to spin his unwillingness to prove to Bryan that he is an American physican named Steve Parent however you want, but the bottom line is that there's no reason he'd refuse to do so if he is who he says he is. It's that simple.

Seriously, you people are out of your mind sometimes.

Maybe, but not this time.

 

[VTV]

OMG - what a friggin maroon. From what I have seen no-one of substance can substantiate your claims. NOT ONE! I don't know where your "many" comes from but it is not from reality

Also, I have noticed that the ConCall has failed twice already, wonder why?

And what don't you understand about sliding scale of tolerance?

And since you can't even get RRoO and convention rules correct, it is no wonder you can't grasp the rules here.

BTW- what rule do you think I have broken?

Wait a second. THE SLIDING SCALE OF TOLERANCE?

Translated: It's ok for SOME people to break the rules and not others?

Isn't that what brought us the patriot act?

Seriously man, what did you do to become a moderator?

 

[Kludge]

Wait a second. THE SLIDING SCALE OF TOLERANCE?

Translated: It's ok for SOME people to break the rules and not others?

Isn't that what brought us the patriot act?

Seriously man, what did you do to become a moderator?

This is not The Peoples' Forum of Ronald Paul. This is Ronpaulforums.com - a privately owned and privately funded service graciously provided to us by Bryan, Josh, and all other contributors.

You have a right to leave any time you'd like.

 

[mdh]

Just for statistics sake, we run rpiradio.com on $250/month, half of what Steve Parent pays for his service.

 

[VTV]

This thread is a joke (ALL of it.). You are not entitled to credibility. If you claim something, you have the burden of proof.

To attack someone who not only does immeasurable good for the movement, pays heaps of money to libertarian candidates and STILL juggles time so that he can better RPFs through moderation is despicably low....


All of us are scrutinized by each other, whether beneficial or ultimately harmful. Do not expect to receive any help without credentials.

Attack who? A moderator who is not moderating?

People are making claims about Dr. Steve all the time, isn't the burden of proof on THEM at that point? No. You basically allow everyone else to post slanderous rumors and don't call them on it. And then ask for the burden of proof for him to prove himself innocent. It's garbage. I don't care how much time the "moderator" spends "bettering the forums through moderation" if he is not actually doing so.

 

[Kludge]

Attack who? A moderator who is not moderating?

I've watched him moderate and occasionally helped him moderate. He's very busy helping elsewhere. He may not moderate every moment he's online - but he does do his best and does better the forums through moderation. It's unfortunate that perfection is expected.

 

[VTV]

No. To my knowledge we've never demanded identity verification before, and I'm doubtful that we will again any time soon. This is because, unlike "Dr. Steve", we do not usually have legitimate reasons to suspect someone is lying about their identity.

Once again: You can try to spin his unwillingness to prove to Bryan that he is an American physican named Steve Parent however you want, but the bottom line is that there's no reason he'd refuse to do so if he is who he says he is. It's that simple.



Maybe, but not this time.

I have yet to see any legitamate reasons for you to doubt Dr. Steve at all. The ludicrious speculation is as obvious as a rhino standing in your living room. We provided an oppurtunity for people to call in to a show and confront him yourselves. Everyone who did came away feeling better. Some of you refused and I think the reason why is having a boogeyman to chase is more important to you then actually getting to the truth. Tell you what, if we are going to demand that he give all his personal information then why not have everyone do so right now. I want to know where all of you work, where you went to school, your addresses, and license numbers of any licenses you hold for your proffessions. And I want copies of all of your diplomas. Otherwise I will slander you and make vaporous accusations against you with nothing but some half-a$$ed internet research to back my claims leading only to more questions and suspicion then any actual facts.

Come on. Look at yourselves. You sound ridiculous.

 

[Kludge]

People are making claims about Dr. Steve all the time, isn't the burden of proof on THEM at that point? No. You basically allow everyone else to post slanderous rumors and don't call them on it. And then ask for the burden of proof for him to prove himself innocent. It's garbage.

And just how do we prove that he isn't a doctor...?

These rumors can be put to bed easily by giving Bryan his credentials and having Bryan vouch for him without releasing personal information. It's very peculiar that this hasn't been done - only adding to the merit of the rumors.

 

[mdh]

VTV, gimme a call homez.

 

[VTV]

I've watched him moderate and occasionally helped him moderate. He's very busy helping elsewhere. He may not moderate every moment he's online - but he does do his best and does better the forums through moderation. It's unfortunate that perfection is expected.

I would say pointedly refusing to moderate qualifies as failing in moderating. If he couldn't get to something right away and failed for that reason I would have no problem with it. But telling another member of this forum that he will not enforce the rules when people attack him IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULES that he even threatened to ban me for not long ago, then he is intentionally failing. He made it clear he will not do his job until Dr. Steve gives his personal information. This requirement has not been made of any other member. So flat out, it is wrong. Don't take out your violin and tell me how busy he is when he flat out admitted that he won't do it unless Dr. Steve does something that should not be required of anyone over the internet. You talk about how "low" it is for me to call him out on the obvious. And that makes it obvious that there is little more then personal bias at work here. You know, the thing that is the reason our government is so screwed up?

Seriously. Think about what you are saying.

 

[MelissaWV]

Before this is hopefully locked---an event I hope is soon in coming---let me address one thing, which is yet again the summoning of me via mention of RPIRadio. VTV, mdh and I are not out of the country or even out of the state. I am not a doctor... I'm not even working right now for health reasons. Matt brings in some money, but we haven't had a vacation since 2001. We did manage to get married somewhere between then and now, though whether that counts as a vacation is perhaps in dispute. We didn't run up thousands in phone bills. We're not even capable of such. The station is up, and will be up until the money runs out. There are no delusions of being "the next big thing", merely to return to what it was in November & December. I wonder where it would all be now if we'd paused to question the credentials of the person who was in charge of us back then? We wouldn't have lost several thousand dollars to the ether, perhaps... I wouldn't have lost friends when the accusations started flying... who knows?

I guess the point is the comparison isn't even remotely valid. mdh and I *have* put, at various times, our own assets into the radio venture.

What I see here is yet another thread that started with an idea, a request for feedback, and then the feedback coming in with increasing antagonism until it's gone into the realm of absurdity. There are valid, real questions out there but they're not going to be answered. There are possibly three or four people *total* who "attack" without cause. Those of us who've been around the internet a decade or so know them as trolls.

The "sliding scale" is also well-known to ops and mods. It is the thing that allows someone to realize a long-time chatter who curses once or twice, is having a bad day, or whatever might not deserve the permaban someone might get doing the same things if they are new. Some rules, some rights, some ideas... they're weighed differently by each individual. Free speech? Sure. After midnight. There are blurry lines that each person makes a determination about, and quite frankly Dr. Steve's posts always seem to dissolve into mayhem. Is it his fault? Less and less so. I'm not sure, though, why new threads need to be started versus contacting the mods in private, and flagging the posts. I have been flagging things I find offensive as well, with detailed explanation. The only reason I even responded here is to point out the disparity in the situations you compared.

If people only chimed in when a fact is incorrectly represented, things would be calmer. I have a hunch, mind you, I'll hear about these posts and posters on a certain radio show you're not associated with, though, VTV I gave Dr. Steve my feedback on another forum. I won't rehash it here.

 

[revolutionary8]

VTV, gimme a call homez.

what about lil' ol' me? Can I call you "homez"?
I am part of the GOBN you know.

 

[VTV]

And just how do we prove that he isn't a doctor...?

These rumors can be put to bed easily by giving Bryan his credentials and having Bryan vouch for him without releasing personal information. It's very peculiar that this hasn't been done - only adding to the merit of the rumors.

Ok, then I want you to give all of your personal information to Bryan too. Along with everyone else who posts here.... After all. Otherwise we have no idea who any of you are. You might be John McCain.

 

[Kludge]

I would say pointedly refusing to his job qualifies as failing in moderating. If he couldn't get to something right away and failed for that reason I would have no problem with it. But telling another member of this forum that he will not enforce the rules when people attack him IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULES that he even threatened to ban me for not long ago, then he is intentionally failing. He made it clear he will not do his job until Dr. Steve gives his personal information. This requirement has not been made of any other member. So flat out, it is wrong. Don't take out your violin and tell me how busy he is when he flat out admitted that he won't do it unless Dr. Steve does something that should not be required of anyone over the internet. You talk about how "low" it is for me to call him out on the obvious. And that makes it obvious that there is little more then personal bias at work here. You know, the thing that is the reason our government is so screwed up?

Seriously. Think about what you are saying.

I've never seen documentation that moderators must moderate. Enforcement of the rules is at the discretion of the moderators/admin. This is a private forum.

 

[humanic]

I have yet to see any legitamate reasons for you to doubt Dr. Steve at all. The ludicrious speculation is as obvious as a rhino standing in your living room. We provided an oppurtunity for people to call in to a show and confront him yourselves. Everyone who did came away feeling better. Some of you refused and I think the reason why is having a boogeyman to chase is more important to you then actually getting to the truth. Tell you what, if we are going to demand that he give all his personal information then why not have everyone do so right now. I want to know where all of you work, where you went to school, your addresses, and license numbers of any licenses you hold for your proffessions. And I want copies of all of your diplomas. Otherwise I will slander you and make vaporous accusations against you with nothing but some half-a$$ed internet research to back my claims leading only to more questions and suspicion then any actual facts.

Come on. Look at yourselves. You sound ridiculous.

You are spinning, as predicted. I did not ask to be provided with any of his personal info. To the contrary, I stated that "Steve" is "right that specific personal information such as [his] address and license number is not our business, but knowledge of whether or not [he] are lying about [his] identity (as all signs suggest) is."

I will gladly send proof to Bryan to substantiate any claims I have made on this forum regarding my identity, which is what I am asking Steve to do.

Once again: You can try to spin his unwillingness to prove to Bryan that he is an American physican named Steve Parent however you want, but the bottom line is that there's no reason he'd refuse to do so if he is who he says he is. It's that simple.

He has much to gain (by doing so) and nothing to lose.