fisharmor
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Personally I value my right to freedom of movement at least as high as any property right. Indeed, the native americans had few if any property rights over land, but they had near complete freedom of movement. Differing priorities.
Then look at other examples. Indians are a bad example in many respects: not least of which is the fact that several tribes actually did claim "group ownership" of land, in that they didn't want other tribes in their area, and moreover, many others didn't respect those claims anyway (in the form of raids). They weren't one people.
One example which I've mentioned before, is Kowloon Walled City. It was outside the reach of the Hong Kong government, and the result was a 6.4 acre parcel of land that had 33,000 people living in it. There was obviously property right being respected there because people had their own flats and businesses. And the property right extended in three dimensions, because the place was 14 stories tall. And there was also freedom of movement, because how the hell else are you going to pack 33,000 people into that space?
Likewise nobody had trouble getting around in other places where the state has been severely crippled or absent. I think one thing we tend to overlook is that murdering people for the slightest offenses is certainly the M.O. of the state, but it's not the default position of humanity and never has been. In other words, humans innately know that when a stranger wanders on to your property, you should assess the threat before mobilizing your army to get rid of them.
Certain present company excepted, of course.