Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property

Personally I value my right to freedom of movement at least as high as any property right. Indeed, the native americans had few if any property rights over land, but they had near complete freedom of movement. Differing priorities.

Then look at other examples. Indians are a bad example in many respects: not least of which is the fact that several tribes actually did claim "group ownership" of land, in that they didn't want other tribes in their area, and moreover, many others didn't respect those claims anyway (in the form of raids). They weren't one people.

One example which I've mentioned before, is Kowloon Walled City. It was outside the reach of the Hong Kong government, and the result was a 6.4 acre parcel of land that had 33,000 people living in it. There was obviously property right being respected there because people had their own flats and businesses. And the property right extended in three dimensions, because the place was 14 stories tall. And there was also freedom of movement, because how the hell else are you going to pack 33,000 people into that space?

Likewise nobody had trouble getting around in other places where the state has been severely crippled or absent. I think one thing we tend to overlook is that murdering people for the slightest offenses is certainly the M.O. of the state, but it's not the default position of humanity and never has been. In other words, humans innately know that when a stranger wanders on to your property, you should assess the threat before mobilizing your army to get rid of them.

Certain present company excepted, of course.
 
Yeah, sure, explain away the cartel crime that takes place inside of the America. No it is the strongest of the all, where they go they will bring there cultural and politics with them, how they vote will have so much bearing on you.

Cartel crime is the easiest crime to explain. When you make something illegal that people want it doesn't end the want for that product, it just drives it into the shadows. Violence and fear become regularized because the production of that product cannot happen in the open where the natural regulatory measures of the free market would expose those violating the rights of others and eliminate them from production.

Do you want a leftist goverment like Mexico?

The leftist government of Mexico is not substantially any different than the leftist government of the USA, or the two socialist parties that run everything, the Democrats and Republicans.

Libertarians who are against Mexican immigration are idiots because they are ignoring the low hanging fruit that could increase their power base dramatically. Mexicans coming to American already know the follies of socialism, they're coming to this country exactly because socialism has lead to massive failure in their countries. They know this already, they know that socialism is a failure and that capitalism, even the crippled version of it here, is better. They just need to be shown that. Libertarians, more than anyone, have the ideology and the understanding to turn this power base that is so disaffected with socialism into political success but instead of embracing it they fight against it? Stupidity.


But hey ignore the place of culture and the value of borders, its not like that has ever taken down any group in history right?

No, they haven't. In fact it is nativisim and closed borders that destroy countries and nations. I was just teaching my students about the fall of the Western Roman Empire today and it struck me how Rome ensured its destruction by denying the German tribes immigration. These tribes were pouring across the border, eager to become part of the Empire. They were natural sources of cheap labor, new taxes, and a reinvigorated military (Rome had been using German mercenaries for decades, but this would have turned them into Roman soldiers loyal to the Empire not their gold). And what does Rome do? They turn the military loose on them. They turn these people into their enemies, making them fight for their survival. Instead of turning them into farmers they force them to become plunderers and pillagers. It was idiocy, idiocy based on the nativist fear that the Germans weren't "Roman" and that "Roman" culture would be destroyed. In trying to keep their borders closed, Rome destroyed itself.

In comparison, the United States had no immigration laws until 1882, when the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed. Not only was "American cultures" or "American freedoms" not destroyed, but the country grew in leaps and bounds. And in that growth immigrants, as a source of cheap labor and some of the groups driving Western expansion, helped lead to one of the most economically successful periods in American history.

The "cultural suicide" argument is just complete hogwash.

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Says the guy with the "Stand with Rand" logo and is a supporting member of the forums mission. A bit contradictory don't you think?

Riddle me this, who would you rather practice civil disobedience under: Rand, or anyone else? A lack of tax enforcement is similar to voluntary taxation, and that is all I ask for. By all means, individuals who participate with voluntary governments should work hard to ensure they do not violate non-participants liberties.. I am not amoral. But ending the coercive tax will allow individuals to pool money how they see fit, should a voluntary government overstep its bounds.... To the point, because of who his father is, and because I can appreciate the difficulties of getting elected, I'll let him prove to me he would utilize force to enforce tax laws. I absolutely know every other one of the candidates would. So, no, I don't think I am being contradictory.
 
Lew has totally gone nuts. This issue may be the worst, most statist position I've ever seen him take.

He's wrong. A militarized police border state is a violation of property and liberty. Lew has gone off the reservation.
 
What the hell has gotten into him?

Lew wrote the newsletters. He has always been a white supremacist and now that Ron (his easiest source of money) is retired he can go back to doing what he was writing about before.

He is an absolute cancer to the Liberty movement.
 
Logic and reason as well as the drive for self preservation.

He understand that mass immigration is not compatible with Liberty when invading cultures will subvert and replace the culture of a nation.

Let's preserve our white American marxist culture!
 
Let's preserve our white American marxist culture!

In a land we took from the brown/red people and built up the original wealth with black people so we could be "not compatible with Liberty as an invading culture that subverted and replaced the culture of a nation." ;)
 
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They do not increase the power base, they vote overwhelming for the same Marxist views and candidates as they did back home.

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That is hard proof, they do not want to be free, only "free stuff".


Yeah mass immigration did destroy Rome, your lies and revisionism does not change that fact.

No the source of cheap labor and voter importation caused great strife on the East Coast.

No it very much an arrangement, look at California, do you want demographics that insure only hard left candidates win elections?
 
They do not increase the power base, they vote overwhelming for the same Marxist views and candidates as they did back home.

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That is hard proof, they do not want to be free, only "free stuff".


Yeah mass immigration did destroy Rome, your lies and revisionism does not change that fact.

No the source of cheap labor and voter importation caused great strife on the East Coast.

No it very much an arrangement, look at California, do you want demographics that insure only hard left candidates win elections?

How many white Americans want more government?

How many Republicans want more government?
 
Lew wrote the newsletters. He has always been a white supremacist and now that Ron (his easiest source of money) is retired he can go back to doing what he was writing about before.

He is an absolute cancer to the Liberty movement.

Lew Rockwell is still a racist.

I must have missed where Lew mentioned race in that speech.

Let's preserve our white American marxist culture!

Is that intentional irony?
 
How many white Americans want more government?

How many Republicans want more government?

Not the the issue, we do not have tens of millions of whites wanting more goverment flooding into the nation do we?

Most of America wants less government if we do not reduce immigration the Liberty movement will be drowned out by imported voters.
 
Not the the issue, we do not have tens of millions of whites wanting more goverment flooding into the nation do we?

Most of America wants less government if we do not reduce immigration the Liberty movement will be drowned out by imported voters.

Are you...kidding me?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and I've heard some ridiculous things.
 
Where are your charts that show that most Americans want less government? Hahaha
 
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