Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property

Yes they were.

I suppose your point is that they were nominated by the Democratic Party, and I've been saying immigrants voted Democrat?

Yes, maybe without a large base of people that had no understanding of American culture, values, and politics we could have been not had their reign of tyranny.


The Democratic Party I've been describing (libertarian, the home for most immigrants), had ceased to exist by the time Wilson was nominated.

I think before but that does not matter, if it was evil then, what could it be now?

After 1896, the old party lines became blurred; both parties became Big Government parties, and the ethnic division largely broke down as well.

Yes they have two sides of the same coin in the pocket of the banking cartel. Now what is even worse is the importation of people that will blindly support them for either welfare/ciztenship.


Many immigrants moved into the GOP, and many WASPs moved into the Democratic Party.

Sad to see that they did for without them the Northeast would not have gone blue without their support/wealth. Now that party seeks to rob us of our nation, culture, and future (albeit the establishment of the GOP is in collusion with the Dems) Sad to see the Founding Stock of America were played in such a way.
 
What are you talking about? If Catholics, Irish, Italians, etc. were as Democrat as they were 100 years ago the GOP wouldn't have won very many elections this past century.

Which is why we nee to learn from history and not admit tens of millions of people that will take generations to assassinate.
 
Which is why we nee to learn from history and not admit tens of millions of people that will take generations to assassinate.

Tilting at windmills- fighting imaginary ghosts. There are not "tens of millions of people" coming to the country. Net immigration from Mexico has been zero for several years now.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/14/politics/democratic-debate-fact-check/index.html

Martin O'Malley
Reality Check: O'Malley on net immigration from Mexico

By Sonam Vashi, CNN

Former Gov. Martin O'Malley said, "The truth of the matter is net immigration from Mexico last year was zero." He then challenged viewers to fact-check him, and we couldn't resist.

According to the Pew Research Center, net migration from Mexico probably reached zero in 2010, and more Mexicans have left the United States than arrived since then.

Additionally, the actual number of Mexicans living in the United States consistently declined throughout 2014. The U.S. Border Patrol also reported that in the 2014 fiscal year, the number of Mexicans apprehended along the border decreased 14% when compared to the 2013 fiscal year.

The information we have suggests that the net immigration rate is negative -- which is actually not zero -- but it is close, and probably still supports O'Malley's point.
 
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Hmmm, maybe the ex Mexican ambassador to the US was either mistaken or just flat out lying. Quien sabe?

ex mexican ambassador to us illegals estimate

https://www.google.com/search?q=ex+....1ac.1.34.heirloom-serp..17.4.564.OVjHn2ByaS0


Yes, he was mistaken and admitted it just a few minutes later- though some choose to ignore that. The Ambassador corrected the 30 million illegal immigrant figure with 11.3 million later in the same speech- which is down from 12.3 million in the US in 2007.

Sarukhan then stated later in the interview that there are 11.3 million illegal immigrants in the country

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http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/11/...crease-in-unauthorized-immigrants-from-mexico

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http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/
 
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Population Growth for Hispanics in the US Slowing

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/25/u-s-hispanic-population-growth-surge-cools/

Hispanic population growth had peaked earlier, in the 1990s. From 1995 to 2000, annual average growth was 4.8%, and growth has declined since then. From 2010 to 2014, the annual average growth had dropped to 2.2%. Part of the reason for this decline in population growth is the slowdown in immigration from Latin America, and in particular, from Mexico.

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Yes, he was mistaken and admitted it just a few minutes later- though some choose to ignore that. The Ambassador corrected the 30 million illegal immigrant figure with 11.3 million later in the same speech- which is down from 12.3 million in the US in 2007.


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http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/11/...crease-in-unauthorized-immigrants-from-mexico

2012-phc-mexican-migration-01a.png


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http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/


They are clearly wrong, you do understand people do come from other nations, other them Mexico.

Well does not matter, amnesty will not happen, immigration will be greatly reduce and we will be greater for it.
 
Lew Rockwell on Open Borders (ALL SHOULD READ)

Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal
By Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.
November 10, 2015

Obviously, in a pure open borders system, the Western welfare states would simply be overrun by foreigners seeking tax dollars. As libertarians, we should of course celebrate the demise of the welfare state. But to expect a sudden devotion to laissez faire to be the likely outcome of a collapse in the welfare state is to indulge in naïveté of an especially preposterous kind.

Can we conclude that an immigrant should be considered “invited” by the mere fact that he has been hired by an employer? No, says Hans, because the employer does not assume the full cost associated with his new employee. The employer partially externalizes the costs of that employee on the taxpaying public:

Equipped with a work permit, the immigrant is allowed to make free use of every public facility: roads, parks, hospitals, schools, and no landlord, businessman, or private associate is permitted to discriminate against him as regards housing, employment, accommodation, and association. That is, the immigrant comes invited with a substantial fringe benefits package paid for not (or only partially) by the immigrant employer (who allegedly has extended the invitation), but by other domestic proprietors as taxpayers who had no say in the invitation whatsoever.

These migrations, in short, are not market outcomes. They would not occur on a free market. What we are witnessing are examples of subsidized movement. Libertarians defending these mass migrations as if they were market phenomena are only helping to discredit and undermine the true free market.

Moreover, as Hans points out, the “free immigration” position is not analogous to free trade, as some libertarians have erroneously claimed. In the case of goods being traded from one place to another, there is always and necessarily a willing recipient. The same is not true for “free immigration.”

;)

Much more here: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/lew-rockwell/open-borders-assault-private-property/
 
Yep.....

It's the welfare state.....stupid.

You gonna make peoples head 'splode in 3....2....1....
 
Equipped with a work permit, the immigrant is allowed to make free use of every public facility: roads

I always knew roads was reason we needed government, but never knew it was also reason we needed closed-borders.

Great point. Thanks for posting.
 
I always knew roads was reason we needed government, but never knew it was also reason we needed closed-borders.

Great point. Thanks for posting.
I thought road building companies built/build the roads. At least they do in Oklahoma.
 
I thought road building companies built/build the roads. At least they do in Oklahoma.

Nothing as important as roads would be left to a private company.

This is why our roads are such high quality. And we can't let illegal immigrants just come in, and ruin, that
 
Nothing as important as roads would be left to a private company.

This is why our roads are such high quality. And we can't let illegal immigrants just come in, and ruin, that

How many actual government building projects of anything, have you seen up close? :p :rolleyes:
 
Except

1) Those immigrants pay taxes

2) The employer pays taxes

3) " but by other domestic proprietors as taxpayers who had no say in the invitation whatsoever." Seriously? I mean seriously?

When did I get a say in what roads are going to be built for use by valid citizens? When did I get a say as to whether schools will even exist, let alone where they will be or how they got funded?

I said it in the last thread, too - Lew Rockwell is off his nut.
I'm sure a lot of you will have trouble understanding this, but there's this thing called "Appeal to Authority" and it's a logical fallacy.
I've stated previously and often that none other than Ron Paul himself is wrong on this issue. I'm certainly not afraid to call Lew Rockwell wrong when he's wrong, either.

And I'm least afraid of pointing out that if LE won't stop making Appeal to Authority arguments herself, she should at least stop assuming the rest of us respond to similar logical fallacies.
 
Except

1) Those immigrants pay taxes

2) The employer pays taxes

3) " but by other domestic proprietors as taxpayers who had no say in the invitation whatsoever." Seriously? I mean seriously?

When did I get a say in what roads are going to be built for use by valid citizens? When did I get a say as to whether schools will even exist, let alone where they will be or how they got funded?

I said it in the last thread, too - Lew Rockwell is off his nut.
I'm sure a lot of you will have trouble understanding this, but there's this thing called "Appeal to Authority" and it's a logical fallacy.
I've stated previously and often that none other than Ron Paul himself is wrong on this issue. I'm certainly not afraid to call Lew Rockwell wrong when he's wrong, either.

And I'm least afraid of pointing out that if LE won't stop making Appeal to Authority arguments herself, she should at least stop assuming the rest of us respond to similar logical fallacies.

So, do you agree with Butler Schaffer's take on borders/boundaries? If not, could you refer me to a thread/article that describes your opinion? Thnx. :)
 
And I'm least afraid of pointing out that if LE won't stop making Appeal to Authority arguments herself, she should at least stop assuming the rest of us respond to similar logical fallacies.[/COLOR]

I have argued with you guys, ad nauseum about your illogical stance. I thought maybe you would listen to Lew.
 
Except

1) Those immigrants pay taxes

2) The employer pays taxes

3) " but by other domestic proprietors as taxpayers who had no say in the invitation whatsoever." Seriously? I mean seriously?

When did I get a say in what roads are going to be built for use by valid citizens? When did I get a say as to whether schools will even exist, let alone where they will be or how they got funded?

I said it in the last thread, too - Lew Rockwell is off his nut.
I'm sure a lot of you will have trouble understanding this, but there's this thing called "Appeal to Authority" and it's a logical fallacy.
I've stated previously and often that none other than Ron Paul himself is wrong on this issue. I'm certainly not afraid to call Lew Rockwell wrong when he's wrong, either.

And I'm least afraid of pointing out that if LE won't stop making Appeal to Authority arguments herself, she should at least stop assuming the rest of us respond to similar logical fallacies.

Molyneux just owned you in this video.

 
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