Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property

[Sola_Fide]

Zippy, I have told you the better part of 4 times that they still effect our elections, You seeming either A. Do not care or B. Seem indifference to this fact, seeing either you do not care or fail to see the importance, our opinions and wants have more value then yours and we will still act regardless of your wants, opinions or votes.

They will never vote for us as they do not sure that same culture, values, or political views, all the pandering in the world does not change this.

That is not true Catholic, Irish, Italian, have been here for generations, they still vote blue as if they came off the boats yesterday.

I call for the rule of law to be uphold, and America sovereignty to be protected, if some think they are being attacked for that then they are morons.

Zig, you are the kind of person that fails to understand the role of culture and its importance when it comes to liberty. You also fail to see how immigration undermines our Liberty. Tell me if immigration is going to be such a boom to the Liberty movement why are leftist calling for immigration reduction? Maybe because they now they will in the end.

What does voting red do for liberty?

 

[kahless]

Really? Liberty to own slaves? Explain that one for us. You do understand that this is not the 19th Century anymore, right? That immigrants are now voting for socialism.

The discussion keeps getting more silly by the minute. Simple logic dictates if you are for limited government you do not support importing people that will certainly increase it. So it seems to be a lost cause here since the facts you present do not seem to matter to them.

You have to realize many here are mixed, non-white, are Progressives and therefore they have no issue with the demographic change that will increase the size and role of government.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

What does voting red do for liberty?

Aside from shutting down pushes to limit the 2nd Amendment? Not much, we have to purge the Cuckservatives/Establishment as they have proven to be our worse enemy as treason from within and collusion with the enemy have done great harm to us.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

You have to realize to many here are mixed, non-white, are really Progressives and therefore they have no issue with the demographic change that will increase the size and role of government.

That is not true, the people on this forum who are not white are just as pro-liberty as everyone else.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

The discussion keeps getting more silly by the minute. Simple logic dictates if you are for limited government you do not support policies that will increase it. So it seems to be a lost cause here since the facts you present do not seem to matter.

You mean like importing millions of people who are most likely to need welfare, and then support parties and candidates that will give them welfare if/when they are given citizenship?

Would you support that?

You have to realize to many here are mixed, non-white, are really Progressives and therefore they have no issue with the demographic change that will increase the size and role of government.

So they are a Libertarians who want limited goverment, who do not care that the demographics that are being changed by mass immigration will ensure their political interests are never advanced, and your rights, wealth, and future are stolen in election after election?

Well if you want to commit suicide by all means be lemmings and run off the cliff but the moment you try and pull others with you prepare to have forced used against you,.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

That is not true, the people on this forum who are not white are just as pro-liberty as everyone else.

You do know that their are non whites that do not care about Liberty and they vastly out number those that do, right?

More of a reason to stop importing them.

 

[Sola_Fide]

You do know that their are non whites that do not care about Liberty and they vastly out number those that do, right?

More of a reason to stop importing them.

The number of white Americans that do not care about liberty vastly outnumber the ones that do.

More of a reason to enact strict sterilization policies on white Americans, or deport them.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Really? Liberty to own slaves?

Liberty to pay lower taxes, not be robbed by central banking, not be screwed by state-sponsored industrial monopolies, not be screwed by protectionist tariffs, not be harassed by psychotic yankee teetotalers, etc. Had it not been for huge numbers of Irish, German, and Italian immigrants voting against these abominations, the WASP natives would have had us in some kind of demented fascist dictatorship by the turn of the century (nearly did anyway: his name was Teddy Roosevelt).

...immigrants are now voting for socialism.

As are virtually all Americans (~1% didn't vote for Romney or Obama in the last Presidential election)

Do you appreciate that the modern welfare state was already built before the latest wave of non-European immigrants arrived?

 

[kahless]

You mean like importing millions of people who are most likely to need welfare, and then support parties and candidates that will give them welfare if/when they are given citizenship?

Would you support that?

It defies logic.

So they are a Libertarians who want limited goverment, who do not care that the demographics that are being changed by mass immigration will ensure their political interests are never advanced, and your rights, wealth, and future are stolen in election after election?

Well if you want to commit suicide by all means be lemmings and run off the cliff but the moment you try and pull others with you prepare to have forced used against you,.

Certainly not libertarians, one has to look at what other groups support such policies to see what is really going on here.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Liberty to pay lower taxes, not be robbed by central banking, not be screwed by state-sponsored industrial monopolies, not be screwed by protectionist tariffs, not be harassed by psychotic yankee teetotalers, etc. Had it not been for huge numbers of Irish, German, and Italian immigrants voting against these abominations, the WASP natives would have had us in some kind of demented fascist dictatorship by the turn of the century (nearly did anyway: his name was Teddy Roosevelt).

Wilson/FDR were worse..

As are virtually all Americans (~1% didn't vote for Romney or Obama in the last Presidential election)

Do you appreciate that the modern welfare state was already built before the latest wave of non-European immigrants arrived?

So why do we need to import any more voters/supports of socialism?

No, because was used to buy votes then just as it is being used to buy votes of soon to be amnestied illegals that will vote for the hardest left candidates to office who will rob even more of our rights and wealth away from us.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

It defies logic.

No, how is importing people who will vote against in your best interests?

Certainly not libertarians, one has to look at what other groups support such policies to see what is really going on here.[/QUOTE]


Which is?

 

[kahless]

No, how is importing people who will vote against in your best interests?

Certainly not libertarians, one has to look at what other groups support such policies to see what is really going on here.

Which is?

They are not in my best interests and what I am saying is many here are in fact NOT libertarians. Like I said a few posts back we have Progressives and globalists here which I believe is for the purpose of herding people accordingly.

In the real world you can't be a libertarian and support open borders. It is a contradiction.

 

[Ronin Truth]

They are not in my best interests and what I am saying is many here are in fact NOT libertarians. Like I said a few posts back we have Progressives and globalists here which I believe is for the purpose of herding people accordingly.

In the real world you can't be a libertarian and support open borders. It is a contradiction.

In a libertarian world a libertarian could open his own borders. We ain't anywhere near that world, yet. Just gotta deal with where you are today.

 

[kahless]

In a libertarian world a libertarian could open his own borders. We ain't anywhere near that world, yet. Just gotta deal with where you are today.

Not yet and likely not ever in this world. If colonizing a new uninhabited world, sure. That is if they ever develop technology that would allow us to reach the stars and other earth like worlds cheaply and quickly. Not in my life time.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Wilson/FDR were worse..

Yes they were.

I suppose your point is that they were nominated by the Democratic Party, and I've been saying immigrants voted Democrat?

The Democratic Party I've been describing (libertarian, the home for most immigrants), had ceased to exist by the time Wilson was nominated.

After 1896, the old party lines became blurred; both parties became Big Government parties, and the ethnic division largely broke down as well.

Many immigrants moved into the GOP, and many WASPs moved into the Democratic Party.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

That is not true Catholic, Irish, Italian, have been here for generations, they still vote blue as if they came off the boats yesterday.

What are you talking about? If Catholics, Irish, Italians, etc. were as Democrat as they were 100 years ago the GOP wouldn't have won very many elections this past century.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

They are not in my best interests and what I am saying is many here are in fact NOT libertarians. Like I said a few posts back we have Progressives and globalists here which I believe is for the purpose of herding people accordingly.

In the real world you can't be a libertarian and support open borders. It is a contradiction.

Oh, Thank you, It great to see others can see that.

In the same way a ship can not float without a hull, a nation can not exist without a border/culture.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

In a libertarian world a libertarian could open his own borders. We ain't anywhere near that world, yet. Just gotta deal with where you are today.

That world will never exist, you have to accept that fact.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Not yet and likely not ever in this world. If colonizing a new uninhabited world, sure. That is if they ever develop technology that would allow us to reach the stars and other earth like worlds cheaply and quickly. Not in my life time.

Well if you freeze your body, or maybe if they advance gene alteration you just might.

 

[Ronin Truth]

That world will never exist, you have to accept that fact.

No I don't.