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[acptulsa]

At least with this "Bad" option, we have the opportunity to fight another day.

What day? We've been letting the CIA and the Zionists tell us what is and isn't viable for nearly 62 years.

We are talking about the guy who set all this up, from financing the Great Importation before Biden was installed to Warp Speed to hiring 9iu11ani to torpedo the recount. What people needed was for a significant number of people to just say no to repeating the usual mistake.

But though a significant number of people could see, too many of us just rolled over. If it happened with Daddy Warp Speed, what's going to prevent it in 2028?

Listening to you, my guess is nothing is going to prevent it. We've sold our birthright for a mess of pottage, and it seems we always will.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Pull our heads out of the GOP's ass and try something that might actually help.

In other words, stand for something and stop giving the people "with no stomach for" real solutions an excuse to try the same shit again expecting a different result.

You remember. You really do. Why are you asking?

I'm asking because, over the course of 50 years, I have only found one political movement from my point of view that has been successful: the gun rights movement.

And that has taken decades of countless hours of work, billions of dollars and endless greasy "compromises" with sometimes the very worst of political vultures and swamp creatures.

The Marxists thrive under those conditions, which is why they always seem to be on the march forward, while we look like a bunch of monkeys fucking a football.

So, the way I see it there are three options:

1 - Continue political "activism and education", taking the small victories day by day, eating the elephant one bite at a time and realizing that there will be 99 setbacks for every 100 victories. And that means choosing a Trump over a Harris.

2 - Give up. Throw it all in God's hands...wait for the currency and the whole house of cards it supports to collapse...wait for the debt to dissolve us like the old Soviet Union. There are any numbers of paths to decay and dissolution. Just sit back and ride the roller coaster to the end and maybe try and have a MyPillow ready when the crash comes.

3 - Dissolve on our terms, peacefully by hope, by force of arms if need be. Start over with a clean slate.

Nobody likes option three, even though I think it is the best option.

That leaves one and two.

If you have some miracle Fourth Way, that is not just a variation of one of the three, then I'm all ears.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm asking because, over the course of 50 years, I have only found one political movement from my point of view that has been successful: the gun rights movement.

And that has taken decades of countless hours of work, billions of dollars and endless greasy "compromises" with sometimes the very worst of political vultures and swamp creatures.

I'll name a second, the marijuana fight. Both won, ultimately, because the majority of the populace simply refused and refuses to comply.

Whatever. I'm putting my chips in the Indian Nations. They fight. They've won victories in court. They've never let Washington and their minions define them.

I'll put in a good word for you when this is Indian Territory again, and New England isn't. Yeah, he's white, racist and has no balls when push comes to shove. But at least he understands the problem, more or less.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'll name a second, the marijuana fight. Both won, ultimately, because the majority of the populace simply refused and refuses to comply.

Whatever. I'm putting my chips in the Indian Nations. They fight. They've won victories in court. They've never let Washington and their minions define them.

I'll put in a good word for you when this is Indian Territory again, and New England isn't. Yeah, he's white, racist and has no balls when push comes to shove. But at least he understands the problem, more or less.

I'm getting to be an old, tired man, who has lived a hard life, cursing at tornadoes and charging into hurricanes, and is now paying the price.

Like "Tiger Man" McCool in that old Bobby Bare song "The Winner" my balls and my ego have long since packed up and moved to greener pastures.

But be careful what you wish for...you may very well end up living in my guestroom when the Oklahoma Reparations Wrecking Ball seizes your home.

Tulsa’s new Black mayor plans $100M reparations for descendants of 1921 Race Massacre

Monroe Nichols announced the plan despite ‘a tough environment’ under Donald Trump

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[CaptUSA]

So, the way I see it there are three options:

1 - Continue political "activism and education", taking the small victories day by day, eating the elephant one bite at a time and realizing that there will be 99 setbacks for every 100 victories. And that means choosing a Trump over a Harris.

2 - Give up. Throw it all in God's hands...wait for the currency and the whole house of cards it supports to collapse...wait for the debt to dissolve us like the old Soviet Union. There are any numbers of paths to decay and dissolution. Just sit back and ride the roller coaster to the end and maybe try and have a MyPillow ready when the crash comes.

3 - Dissolve on our terms, peacefully by hope, by force of arms if need be. Start over with a clean slate.

Nobody likes option three, even though I think it is the best option.

That leaves one and two.

If you have some miracle Fourth Way, that is not just a variation of one of the three, then I'm all ears.

From my perspective, option 1 is the only one that's palatable. (I think you meant 99 setbacks for every 1 victory)

The issues I have with options 2 and 3 is that there doesn't seem to be any assurances that "starting over" will result in better outcomes for my kids and grandkids. In fact, I suspect that they'll be MUCH worse. So, the best I can do is to try to win a battle here and there to keep a positive future possibility open. I'm getting the strong sense that most of the people advocating for the collapsitarian option don't have children of their own and are just hoping (without any foundation) that the rebirth would result in a better future. To be even more precise, it seems like they just advocate for that position to reconcile their own principles in theory without regard to the real damage and hardship that would inevitably follow.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm getting the strong sense that most of the people advocating for the collapsitarian option don't have children of their own and are just hoping (without any foundation) that the rebirth would result in a better future.

Which collapsitarians?

Which collapsitarians?

You have been watching in real time as the powers that be have purposely destroyed their own DNC, FBI, MSM and FRN. Are you telling me you don't think they know what they're doing? Are you telling me you don't think they're planning their own replacements for all of these things?

Do you seriously think that when Trump talks about annexing Canada, Mexico and Greenland, he means under our present Constitution?

They're planning our future. I don't care if you're down for it or not. I'd rather we did our own planning. Which collapsitarians will you side with? Because those collapsitarians have the wherewithal to ensure the collapse comes. And if we couldn't stop Trump just because some of you didn't think we could, you have to know you can't stop the collapse they've engineered and set in motion.

You want me to spoon-feed you an alternative, and you want it to be something other than collapse. I can't do that, because more powerful people than me have already set the dominoes to falling, and you did not one effective thing to stop it. So what now? Are we going to design the Phoenix that rises from the ashes, or are you determined to let them do it?

You're telling me you don't think I fully appreciate the hardships the collapse will cause. I'm guaranteeing to you that the collapse is coming, engineered by the people who decided we needed to be guinea pigs in their science experiment, and they don't give a damn if we experience hardships or not.

 

[oyarde]

In my old age Ive learned to carve out my own small paradise and just live with a combination of Option 1 and 2. In my youth option 3 may have provided an opportunity for some personal satisfaction at times but still no great odds of victory with also uncertainty if more positive in future. Realistically any option likely sets a future no better than my lifetime has already provided. People in general usually will disappoint high aspirations. Growing up on a farm and then eight years in the Army probably tainted me as I have learned to find happiness in just about any bag of crap. Hopefully I leave behind some people with loftier goals than myself but at this point I feel collapse is only a matter of which decade , one ? two?

 

[Anti Federalist]

From my perspective, option 1 is the only one that's palatable. (I think you meant 99 setbacks for every 1 victory)

The issues I have with options 2 and 3 is that there doesn't seem to be any assurances that "starting over" will result in better outcomes for my kids and grandkids. In fact, I suspect that they'll be MUCH worse. So, the best I can do is to try to win a battle here and there to keep a positive future possibility open. I'm getting the strong sense that most of the people advocating for the collapsitarian option don't have children of their own and are just hoping (without any foundation) that the rebirth would result in a better future. To be even more precise, it seems like they just advocate for that position to reconcile their own principles in theory without regard to the real damage and hardship that would inevitably follow.

I see your point, but no, I meant 99 to 100.

Meaning that, out of 100 attempts, one would actually succeed.

Minuscule gains, but gains nonetheless.

 

[acptulsa]

Minuscule gains, but gains nonetheless.

Just enough to keep you fiddling while they burn Rome.

 

[Invisible Man]

What day?

Speaking of what day, am I remembering this wrong, or wasn't this very day the day that we were promised to legislate the DOGE cuts?

Was it not just 2 months ago that Massie was excoriated by Trump and his allies for voting against a continuing resolution, and the main argument they used for not including cuts in it was because they needed 60 Senate votes for it to pass, so they had to wait until a budget reconciliation bill that they could pass with only 50 Senate votes to put spending cuts in?

And here we are, with a reconciliation bill that only needs 50 Senate votes, and it increases spending and doesn't include the DOGE cuts, and the very same people who said to wait for a reconciliation bill to legislate cuts are the ones saying that we now have to support a reconciliation bill that increases spending.

 

[acptulsa]

And here we are, with a reconciliation bill that only needs 50 Senate votes, and it increases spending and doesn't include the DOGE cuts, and the very same people who said to wait for a reconciliation bill to legislate cuts are the ones saying that we now have to support a reconciliation bill that increases spending.

Hush you ingrate, don't you know Teh Team is winning? Rah, rah, GOP!

 

[Anti Federalist]

Speaking of what day, am I remembering this wrong, or wasn't this very day the day that we were promised to legislate the DOGE cuts?

Was it not just 2 months ago that Massie was excoriated by Trump and his allies for voting against a continuing resolution, and the main argument they used for not including cuts in it was because they needed 60 Senate votes for it to pass, so they had to wait until a budget reconciliation bill that they could pass with only 50 Senate votes to put spending cuts in?

And here we are, with a reconciliation bill that only needs 50 Senate votes, and it increases spending and doesn't include the DOGE cuts, and the very same people who said to wait for a reconciliation bill to legislate cuts are the ones saying that we now have to support a reconciliation bill that increases spending.

Yes it was and Congress punted the whole thing.

 

[acptulsa]

Yes it was and Congress punted the whole thing.

And Trump threatened every Republican who tried to avoid that with a primary challenge.

 

[nikcers]

And Trump threatened every Republican who tried to avoid that with a primary challenge.

The entire house of representatives is up for grabs during the mid terms so why wouldn't he?

Why wouldn't he want to help people get elected that will actually fund the government in which he is leading?

The mid terms are a president's chance to get stuff done during the rest of their term. If the republican party won't fund the government the people will just hire someone else to do it.

That's how you get AOC and Bernie Sanders funding the government.

The people didn't hire the republican party to delete the US financial system and break the economy.

 

[Invisible Man]

The entire house of representatives is up for grabs during the mid terms so why wouldn't he?

One reason he wouldn't would be if he supported the cause of DOGE, which was something he ran on, and I think something that helped him win the election. But, alas, he does not.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"@WarrenDavidson


Faulty premises: 1. Without BBB, we couldn't raise the debt limit, so we would default on the debt. We would raise the debt limit.

2. Without BBB, everyone would get a tax increase because the TCJA cuts expire. We would still cut taxes. For example, the Senate already passed No Tax on Tips 100-0.

3. You can only deal with "Mandatory Spending" in reconciliation bills. BBB spends hundreds of billions of dollars on traditional "Discretionary Spending" like border security, defense, FAA modernization... Democrats did the same thing to fund the Green New Deal and American Rescue Plan. By their logic, you can spend more money, but you cannot spend less. False constraints.

4. Promises of future cuts will result in future cuts. The only Congress we control is the one we’re in. Even the most optimistic pro-growth financial models agree this bill increases deficits this Congress and this presidential term.

5. The AI section doesn't increase surveillance of American citizens. It does.

6. This is our only shot at reconciliation. This or nothing is the biggest fallacy. The Senate Parliamentarian has a written statement saying there is not a limit to how often we can run this play. Pairwise comparison is one of the easiest games to rig. A bankrupt nation is much harder to Make Great Again. Don't bankrupt America!

Cut spending."

 

[nikcers]

One reason he wouldn't would be if he supported the cause of DOGE, which was something he ran on, and I think something that helped him win the election. But, alas, he does not.

DOGE wasn't the deal that got the president elected.

The president got elected on the MAGA platform.

You can't sacrifice the MAGA for DOGE.

Otherwise you get no tax cuts and border security and cheap groceries and higher paying jobs.

So if the president doesn't help get people elected that can help him stay in power then Bernie and AOC get to make the budget and fund the government.

 

[Occam's Banana]

[...] there will be 99 setbacks for every 100 victories.

(I think you meant 99 setbacks for every 1 victory)

I see your point, but no, I meant 99 to 100.

Meaning that, out of 100 attempts, one would actually succeed.

Okay, now I'm really confused ...

"99 setbacks for every 100 victories" is a victory-to-attempts ratio of 100:199 (> 50%).

But "out of 100 attempts, one would actually succeed" is a victory-to-attempts ratio of 1:100 (= 1%).

Did you mean "attempts" instead of "victories" in the first quote?

 

[acptulsa]

Otherwise you get no tax cuts and border security and cheap groceries and higher paying jobs.

Is this the same bot who avowed that it learned something about currency devaluation from Ron Paul?

Yes. If you don't want groceries to go up, you do as Rand Paul and Thomas Massie do. If you want to make sure even the middle class needs EBT, you do the stupid things you're always advocating.

Higher paying jobs don't mean a thing when grocery prices go up every damned day and wages don't. Right, bot? Balance the damned budget.