One, Big Beautiful Bill (The Mega-Bill)

[Snowball]

Our economy can do things that would have been impossible no matter how much money we spent on it 30 years ago.

It has become thousands of times more efficient. We do things remotely and send robots to fight wars so people don't have to die in wars. We cure things that used to be incurable. We have robots make things we used to enslave people and force people to work.

All because we created a government and economic system that incentivized growth and regulated broken windows economic activity. I can only imagine what older people think of the modern world.

We have had more human progress in the last 250 years than the 250,000 years before that and now we are on the verge of artificial super intelligence. That will be in my lifetime for sure.

Again, none of that has anything to do with the Federal deficit and our hyper-financialization schemes, because usury and monetary debasement are not boons necessary to produce effective labour and innovation. They are parasites, not prime movers.

Your reference to the broken window FALLACY as a positive, beneficial technique (waging unnecessary wars, military-industrial complex), tells us all we need to know, and you should be aware that your viewpoint is acerbic and as morally bankrupt as the financial bankruptcy you advocate.

 

[Invisible Man]

Again, none of that has anything to do with the Federal deficit and our hyper-financialization schemes

Some of it (i.e. the benefits Nickers is touting) may have come about as a result of government spending. But the fallacy is zeroing in on any of those benefits in isolation from the costs, including the invisible costs of advancements that were never made but that would have been made if the government had allowed the people to allocate their resources in whatever ways they would have in a free market.

 

[nikcers]

Moving to another country isn't that easy, as they actually regulate their borders.

Consent just means you can say no if you want to. It doesn't mean that saying no is cost free.

The idea though is that we get the government we deserve because we consent to it.

A government that you don't have to consent to exists for billions of people on earth. Its not an idea that doesn't exist.

 

[nikcers]

Again, none of that has anything to do with the Federal deficit and our hyper-financialization schemes, because usury and monetary debasement are not boons necessary to produce effective labour and innovation. They are parasites, not prime movers.

Your reference to the broken window FALLACY as a positive, beneficial technique (waging unnecessary wars, military-industrial complex), tells us all we need to know, and you should be aware that your viewpoint is acerbic and as morally bankrupt as the financial bankruptcy you advocate.

None of that exists under totalitarian rule.

Our system was the alternative to totalitarian rule than won the last global power contest.

Totalitarian rule was the norm for 1000s of years because they won the contests that happened before every time.

Good doesn't happen in a power vacuum that gets filled with evil and most of the time, historically evil is what wins.

 

[Invisible Man]

Consent just means you can say no if you want to. It doesn't mean that saying no is cost free.

The idea though is that we get the government we deserve because we consent to it.

A government that you don't have to consent to exists for billions of people on earth. Its not an idea that doesn't exist.

This line of reasoning can be used to justify all crimes. Just because a victim doesn't expend whatever costs there might be to take some measure to stop a crime against them from happening doesn't make it any less of a crime, and it doesn't make the one who actually performs the crime any less wrong.

 

[nikcers]

This line of reasoning can be used to justify all crimes. Just because a victim doesn't expend whatever costs there might be to take some measure to stop a crime against them from happening doesn't make it any less of a crime, and it doesn't make the one who actually performs the crime any less wrong.

Certainly consent means you are allowing a crime to happen in our government since we have self government we get the government we deserve.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

-George Bernard Shaw

 

[Invisible Man]

Certainly consent means you are allowing a crime to happen in our government since we have self government we get the government we deserve.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

-George Bernard Shaw

Nothing the regime in Washington DC does constitutes self-government of the American people. It is the diametric opposite of that. It is no more accurate to call this self-government than it would be to call the arrangement a street gang has in a neighborhood where they extort protection money from shop owners that.

 

[Snowball]

None of that exists under totalitarian rule.

Our system was the alternative to totalitarian rule than won the last global power contest.

Totalitarian rule was the norm for 1000s of years because they won the contests that happened before every time.

Good doesn't happen in a power vacuum that gets filled with evil and most of the time, historically evil is what wins.

Bollocks. Everything you deem positive today would have still happened if there was no American Revolution, or French Revolution.

 

[nikcers]

Bollocks. Everything you deem positive today would have still happened if there was no American Revolution, or French Revolution.

Yeah well I dont remember anybody landing on the moon before the American revolution.

Was 250,000 years not enough time?

 

[Invisible Man]

Bollocks. Everything you deem positive today would have still happened if there was no American Revolution, or French Revolution.

We would quite possibly be more free today if we remained under the rule of one tyrant 4,000 miles away rather than 4,000 tyrants a mile away. Hong Kong was remarkably free at the end of the 20th century under British rule.

 

[nikcers]

We would quite possibly be more free today if we remained under the rule of one tyrant 4,000 miles away rather than 4,000 tyrants a mile away. Hong Kong was remarkably free at the end of the 20th century under British rule.

4000 miles isn't enough distance in today's world where everything and everybody is connected.

Your only hope is Mars at this point.

The USA went and bombed Houthi pirates 10,000 miles away for 2 years until they surrendered.

 

[acptulsa]

What he had back then is easily curable now but back then it was not curable.

Name it, liar.

No cure for any human disease has been developed in the last thirty years. Now they just come up with stuff that prevents death, because they love addicts as much as any other pusher.

Of course, they have developed cures for computer viruses. Perhaps you were telling the truth for once, admitting that your daddy is software too.

 

[nikcers]

Name it, liar.

No cure for any human disease has been developed in the last thirty years. Now they just come up with stuff that prevents death, because they love addicts as much as any other pusher.

Of course, they have developed cures for computer viruses. Perhaps you were telling the truth for once, admitting that your daddy is software too.

Chronic hepatitis C infection which caused chronic liver disease and cirrhosis.

The cure came out for it right before he died, they cured him of the disease but his liver was shot.

He got the liver transplant only for his body to reject it and he developed cancers all over his body and his brain Glioblastoma.

The USA has cured many things in the last 30 years. I even saw they cured some people of Glioblastoma I'm sure that will even be easily curable in a few decades. One method involved injecting a modified Polio virus into the brain.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

 

[Working Poor]

If Trump is not a woosie he will put some big heads on the chopping block.

 

[acptulsa]

Yeah well I dont remember anybody landing on the moon before the American revolution.

 

[PAF]

Trump Calls Big Government ‘Beautiful’​

by Thomas Eddlem | May 26, 2025


“I’m a fiscal hawk,” Trump announced to the press on May 21, U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson in tow, with typical Trumpian humbuggery. “I’m a bigger fiscal hawk. There’s nobody like me as a fiscal hawk.” Of course, only the last part of that statement was true. Truly, nobody who is anything like Trump could be labeled a fiscal hawk. And the video shows even the ordinarily stoic Speaker Johnson couldn’t help but crack an open mouth laugh at Trump’s bullshitting.

Everyone who has even bothered to look at Trump’s “beautiful” budget bill knows it is the “Big Government Bill,” as it creates the largest government budget in the history of the world, and the biggest deficit package over any four-year presidential term in American history.

The CBO projects an additional half trillion dollar deficit per year under the Trump plan for the next five years, on top of the $1.9 trillion annual deficits the CBO predicts the federal government would have for the next five years under the legacy Joe Biden spending levels. And keep in mind that the CBO has a history of underestimating the deficit levels, meaning it’s likely an additional $10 trillion will be added to the national debt under this bill before the bullshitter-in-chief leaves office. The ten-year omnibus budget reconciliation bill would add $20 trillion to the national debt over ten years, $3-5 trillion (depending on the estimate you believe) more than the deficit path set by the Biden administration, and it would tack on $350 billion in higher spending more than the Biden era budgets, including $144 billion more on military spending. If Trump chooses to call big government “beautiful,” then he at least helps create clarity on his own point-of-view.

And Trump calling big government “beautiful” certainly explains his ongoing grudge against Kentucky Republican Congressman Thomas Massie. “I don’t think Thomas Massie understands government. I think he’s a grandstander,” Trump continued, projecting his own gaslighting tactics onto the only congressman in Washington genuinely seeking smaller government. “I think he should be voted out of office.”



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Trump Calls Big Government 'Beautiful' | The Libertarian Institute

“I’m a fiscal hawk,” Trump announced to the press on May 21, U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson in tow, with typical Trumpian humbuggery. “I’m a bigger fiscal hawk. There’s nobody like me as a fiscal hawk.” Of course, only the last part of that statement was true. Truly, nobody who…

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[Firestarter]

President Trump buried a 10-year ban on AI regulation within the “One Big Beautiful Bill”, which strips state and local governments of the ability to impose guardrails on artificial intelligence until 2035! Giving the federal government the authority to implement AI to efficiently control every sphere of our life, from law enforcement and employment to healthcare, education, and digital surveillance.
Algorithms to decide on policing, welfare eligibility, immigration vetting, job recruitment, credit, judicial risk assessments and much more, without inefficient… human mercy.

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Jun 1, 2025

The future of our technocratic brave new world is institutionalised automated tyranny where algorithms control all aspects of our life - an “algocracy”.
In an algocracy, unelected developers and corporate contractors create algorithms, which will decide on our health, freedom, mobility and privacy based on some sort of social credit score. If the computer says you’re guilty, you ARE of course, because the machine is never wrong.

In early 2025, President Trump signed the executive order ‘Removing Barriers to American Leadership in Artificial Intelligence’, which revoked prior AI...

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[TheTexan]

“I’m a fiscal hawk,” Trump announced to the press on May 21

 

[Brian4Liberty]

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Trump is no fiscal conservative. Let me be the first to predict: there will eventually be conflict between DOGE and Trump, and the time will come when Trump will side with the swamp, and attack Musk and Vivek, just like he has attacked Massie and Roy.

Vivek out, Musk out, DOGE ignored by Trump in his "Big, Beautiful Bill".

Prediction confirmed.

Shots fired...