OH - Haitian migrants eating cats?

[acptulsa]

Swing and a miss.

No, he got a piece of it.

Which party kissed the asses of working men then? How about now? Who opposed war then, vs. now? Who didn't think too much of free speech at the time the PATRIOT Act was passed, vs. now?

They've moved the Overton Window so far they're causing a polar shift.

 

[Invisible Man]

especially when they bring with them the unpleasant habit of eating your house pets.

There you go again. If the problem is theft of house pets, then why even talk about geese and feral cats at all?

 

[Anti Federalist]

There you go again. If the problem is theft of house pets, then why even talk about geese and feral cats at all?

I wasn't talking about them...feral cats and geese and so on.

Remember, I didn't start this thread. All I did is post a comment in another thread allegedly from somebody in Springfield complaining about this.

Do I have concrete proof on this? No?

Do I highly suspect it to be true? Yes, without a doubt.

I'm making that remark based on my own personal experiences and anecdotes from trusted people from over 30 years ago in south Florida, during the first Haitian invasion caused by Bill Clinton.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No, he got a piece of it.

Which party kissed the asses of working men then? How about now? Who opposed war then, vs. now? Who didn't think too much of free speech at the time the PATRIOT Act was passed, vs. now?

They've moved the Overton Window so far they're causing a polar shift.

I thought that was the point.

I thought that was why Ron Paul was a republican.

I thought that was what all the advocacy and "teaching campaigns" were all about.

To make the GOP and it's rank and file, change their opinions, chiefly, drop the pro war rhetoric and bring the troops home.

It's amazing that it is happening actually, but God bless that man again, Ron was right about that, it could be done, the GOP could become the leading antiwar voice.

The fact that Darth Cheney is voting Harris is proof of that...gobsmacked I am over that.

So what's your bitch?

 

[acptulsa]

I thought that was the point.

I thought that was why Ron Paul was a republican.

I thought that was what all the advocacy and "teaching campaigns" were all about.

To make the GOP and it's rank and file, change their opinions, chiefly, drop the pro war rhetoric and bring the troops home.

It's amazing that it is happening actually, but God bless that man again, Ron was right about that, it could be done, the GOP could become the leading antiwar voice.

The fact that Darth Cheney is voting Harris is proof of that...gobsmacked I am over that.

So what's your bitch?

My bitch? "Swing and a miss" was a bad call, ump. We forced the deep state to start brainwashing Democrats to be speech-swelching warmongers. I have no problem with any part of that past the sheer hypocrisy of the percentage of long time Democrats who fell for it. Their lack of principle and backbone allowed the powers that be to get away with something they were obviously going to try. But it has happened, much as IM said it did. Not a strikeout. Base hit.

And how did you get gobsmacked? You really thought Darth Cheney would for one second maintain loyalty to a party after we injected a strain of anti-imperialism into it?

 

[Anti Federalist]

And how did you get gobsmacked? You really thought Darth Cheney would for one second maintain loyalty to a party after we injected a strain of anti-imperialism into it?

No, that it happened, that we were able to make the changes in the GOP, that made Darth run like vampire from garlis.

Trump channeling Ron on the cause of the Ukraine war.

https://x.com/i/status/1838492352954216564

 

[Brian4Liberty]

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1838737747273531779

Haitians Want Trump Arrested For 'Harmful Lies.' The Campaign Responded With Another Lie.
A Haitian nonprofit filed a criminal affidavit accusing Trump and running mate JD Vance of crimes including aggravated menacing and making false alarms.
By Pocharapon Neammanee
...

Leaders of a Haitian nonprofit group in Springfield, Ohio, filed a criminal affidavit Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his Republican running mate, Sen. JD Vance, seeking their arrest over racist lies that Haitian immigrants were “eating the cats, dogs, and pets of people” in the community.

The affidavit, filed in Clark County Municipal Court by Guerline Jozef, co-founder of the Haitian Bridge Alliance, alleged the former president and the Ohio senator had violated criminal laws including disrupting public services, making false alarms, complicity, aggravated menacing and telecommunications harassment and complicity.

Under Ohio law, private citizens are permitted to file an affidavit asking the courts to find probable cause that alleged offenders have committed a crime.

Subodh Chandra, Jozef’s lead counsel, told HuffPost on Tuesday that the organization was “tired of waiting for the prosecutor to act to vindicate the rule of law and protect the community.”

He added that Trump and Vance “know exactly what they’re doing” when they spread the lies, calling their actions “unapologetic serial criminal activity.”

“I mean, they know what the power of their words is, they know that they have a megaphone and a platform that is so powerful that if they are irresponsible with it, it can wreak havoc,” Chandra said. “They know it, and they’ve seen it as a result of what they’ve done here, and yet they double down and triple down and quadruple down.”

In a statement to HuffPost on Tuesday, Steven Cheung, the communications director for Trump’s campaign, responded to the affidavit with yet another lie.

“President Trump is rightfully highlighting the failed immigration system that Kamala Harris has overseen, bringing thousands of illegal immigrants pouring into communities like Springfield and many others across the country,” Cheung said. “President Trump will secure our border and put an end to the chaos that illegal immigration brings to our communities.”

The city has said that the Haitian immigrants in Springfield live there legally.

Now that the affidavit has been filed, Chandra said a judge must determine if there’s probable cause to support the charges and issue arrest warrants or refer the case to the prosecutor’s office for further investigation.

The Haitian Bridge Alliance claimed in the affidavit that criminal charges are warranted because of the “harmful lies repeatedly spewed” by Trump and Vance and the serious effects on the community.

“HBA is non-partisan, this is not about one candidate or political party. This is about confronting white supremacy, anti-Black rhetoric, and hate speech that seems to be a constant in U.S. politics and that continues to cause suffering. No one is above the law,” Jozef said in a statement announcing the charges.
...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hait...mp-vance-affidavit_n_66f2f22de4b075d6bc69b425

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since Trump first spread false claims about legal immigrants there during a presidential debate.

The Haitian Bridge Alliance made the move after inaction by the local prosecutor, said their attorney, Subodh Chandra of the Cleveland-based Chandra Law Firm.

Charges brought by private citizens are rare, but not unheard of, in Ohio. Examples might be a grocery store charging a customer for a bounced check. State law requires a hearing to take place before the affidavit can move forward. As of Tuesday afternoon, none had been scheduled.

Trump and Vance, a U.S. senator from Ohio, are charged with disrupting public services, making false alarms, telecommunications harassment, aggravated menacing and complicity. The filing asks the Clark County Municipal Court to affirm that there is probable cause and issue arrest warrants against Trump and Vance.

“Their persistence and relentlessness, even in the face of the governor and the mayor saying this is false, that shows intent,” Chandra said. “It’s knowing, willful flouting of criminal law.”
...
https://apnews.com/article/haitian-...-trump-vance-012af00a8677da5caed55d03e8779774

Per an AI answer:

US Government Funds for Haitian Bridge Alliance

The Haitian Bridge Alliance, a 501c(3) non-profit organization, receives funding from the US government to support its humanitarian, legal, and social services for migrants, particularly Black migrants, the Haitian community, women, LGBTQIA+ individuals, and survivors of torture.

While specific funding amounts are not publicly disclosed, the organization advocates for fair and humane immigration policies and connects migrants with available resources, including government programs. The US government’s funding enables Haitian Bridge Alliance to:

• Provide legal assistance and representation for migrants navigating the US immigration system
• Offer humanitarian aid, such as food, shelter, and medical care, to migrants in need
• Support social services, including counseling and case management, to help migrants integrate into US society

The organization’s work is aligned with US government initiatives aimed at addressing the humanitarian crisis at the US-Mexico border and promoting fair and compassionate immigration policies. As a result, Haitian Bridge Alliance receives funding from government agencies and programs, such as:

• The US Department of State’s Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
• The US Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement
• The US Department of Justice’s Executive Office for Immigration Review

By leveraging these government funds, Haitian Bridge Alliance is able to amplify its impact and provide critical services to vulnerable migrants, while also advocating for policy changes to address the root causes of migration and promote a more just and humane immigration system.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

WJXT4 is a TV station in Jacksonville, Florida.

Springfield is a neighborhood of Jacksonville.

They caught the guy.

Not looking Haitian:

https://www.news4jax.com/video/news...death-faces-additional-animal-cruelty-charge/

A lot of serial killers start with small animals. Then there are a lot of cat haters that might kill cats, even (or especially?) neighbor's cats, that might sh!t in their yards. Keep your pets indoors, or stay with them if they are outside.

An example. At a Q&A with a local politician, one young mother took up a lot of people's time complaining that cats were pooping in her yard on her grass, where her children play. She felt that this was the most important issue to take up the time of a huge room full of people and rant about it. She left after she finished ranting, because that was the only reason she was in attendance. Did any cats disappear because of her and her husband?

Didn't get a chance to tell the woman that possums are much more likely to poop in the middle of a fenced lawn around here. Cats generally go in places where it is easy to bury and hide, not in the middle of the lawn.

 

[jmdrake]

I wasn't talking about them...feral cats and geese and so on.

Uhhhhh....yeah you did. Your own words:

I'm sure you would.

You hate this country and the people in it so, natch, you'd be in favor of this.

You've put me in the difficult position of defending hunting restrictions.

But the fact of the matter is, that if overhunting and commercial hunting had not been restricted roughly 120 years ago, there would be no more wild geese in North America, they would have been hunted to extinction like Dodos and Carrier Pigeons.

So....yes. You've taken then exact same leftist position that [MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION] said you took. And none of this has been actually verified! This is like some freaking mind virus. [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] has just reposted a video of a news report that turned out to be a white man in freaking Springfield Florida as some kind of "proof." Each day this story goes on I expect the shoe to drop and someone could foward with some actual documentation that isn't "Somebody told me they saw something" which is, of course, the legal definition of heresay.

Remember, I didn't start this thread. All I did is post a comment in another thread allegedly from somebody in Springfield complaining about this.

Do I have concrete proof on this? No?

Do I highly suspect it to be true? Yes, without a doubt.

I'm making that remark based on my own personal experiences and anecdotes from trusted people from over 30 years ago in south Florida, during the first Haitian invasion caused by Bill Clinton.

Let's be totally honest. This same day you posted an old video of Muhammed Ali (RIP) espousing the virtues of intraracial marriage. To each is own. (J.D. Vance and Clarence Thomas are both in interracial marriages). You've got a helluva lot better chance of your children finding a white Ukrainian refugee to marry than you do a white Hatian refugee. It's about the demographics. I get it. I simply disagree. These days I simply want my kids to marry naturally born people of the opposite sex who are still happy with their birth sex and plan on remaining that way. That's it. I don't care about race or religion (I used to care about religion) or anything else. I would like to have grandkids that are actually born from Biblical "knowledge" if you know what I mean. So if this was a story about gay people my judgment might be clouded. But it's a story about race and your judgment is clouded. Hate me for pointing it out if you want. But you're the one who just forgot what you actually said in this thread.

And for the record, the cat that initially started this controversy has now been found......ALIVE!

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-wor...-donald-trump-jd-vance-kamala-harris-tim-walz

 

[jmdrake]

Miss Sassy, cat at center of Ohio pet-eating controversy, allegedly found alive

So will people finally shut up about this? I'm guess no.

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-wor...-donald-trump-jd-vance-kamala-harris-tim-walz

Miss Sassy, cat at center of Ohio pet-eating controversy, allegedly found alive
by JESSICA A. BOTELHO | The National DeskFri, September 20th 2024 at 8:07 PM
Updated Fri, September 20th 2024 at 8:50 PM
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Meet Miss Sassy, the cat at the center of recent claims about Haitian migrants killing and eating pets in an Ohio city. (Photo: CNN Newsource)

WASHINGTON (TND) — Miss Sassy is the cat supposedly at the center of recent claims about Haitian migrants killing and eating pets in an Ohio city.

The cat's owner, identified by The Wall Street Journal as Anna Kilgore, reportedly contacted police in August and said her pet might have been taken -- and eaten -- by her Haitian neighbors. The media outlet reported the cat was eventually found alive and well.

According to CNN, Miss Sassy was found safe in Kilgore's basement a few days after Kilgore filed a report with authorities. Kilgore later apologized, the report noted.

Meet Miss Sassy, the cat at the center of recent claims about Haitian migrants killing and eating pets in an Ohio city. (Photo: CNN Newsource)
Meet Miss Sassy, the cat at the center of recent claims about Haitian migrants killing and eating pets in an Ohio city. (Photo: CNN Newsource)

The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday said Springfield City Manager Bryan Heck took a call earlier this month from someone who said they were a member of Ohio Sen. JD Vance's staff. Vance's employee, according to the media outlet, asked if the claim was true.


“He asked point-blank, 'Are the rumors true of pets being taken and eaten?'" Heck told The Wall Street Journal. “I told him no. There was no verifiable evidence or reports to show this was true. I told them these claims were baseless.”
Police in the area alsosaid the claims were false.

Vance, who is former President Donald Trump's running mate, has defended his role in spreading information about the claims.

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Under the Biden administration, at least 15,000 migrants recently relocated in Springfield, a city that was previously comprised of about 58,000 residents.

During the presidential debate between Trump and Kamala Harris, Trump mentioned the claims and said the recent influx of Haitian immigrants has put a severe strain on local resources.

“In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs,” Trump said at the debate. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in this country.”
Many of his supporters also said they are convinced it's true. People took to social media to defend the claims.

Billionaire Elon Musk shared a video on X of a woman who said her father immigrated to the U.S. from Haiti during the late 1960s when he was a teenager. She said while she and her dad are estranged, he often told her when she was "very, very young" that

"He wasn't eating people's pet and he didn't practice voodoo, but he did say that most of the island -- the majority of the island, does practice voodoo."

She added that some people who live in Haiti because they don't have access to food. She also said there's another reason: animal sacrifices.

"It's not racist to acknowledge that this is a problem," the woman said. "Y'all just want to joke about Trump and say he's crazy, but what if it were happening to you?"



Meanwhile, a man claiming to be from the Caribbean who claimed he was well-versed in Haitian culture, said he also believes Haitian migrants are killing pets and wild animals not only as a food source, butfor voodoo purposes, as well.

"This is not a joke," the man said in a video shared on TikTok and YouTube.



Since the Republican candidates' initial comments, more than two dozen bomb threats have prompted the state to send in additional state troopers and install surveillance cameras around the city in order to reopen schools and government buildings.

According to reports, Springfield Mayor Rob Rue doesn’t want Trump visiting his city in wake of the claims.

“It would be an extreme strain on our resources, so it’d be fine with me if they decided not to make that visit," he reportedly said. "It would be very difficult.”​

 

[dannno]

There you go again. If the problem is theft of house pets, then why even talk about geese and feral cats at all?

If they are eating geese in the park and feral cats, and people's cats are going missing en masse, it's not much of a stretch.

 

[jmdrake]

If they are eating geese in the park and feral cats, and people's cats are going missing en masse, it's not much of a stretch.

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-wor...-donald-trump-jd-vance-kamala-harris-tim-walz

 

[dannno]

Miss Sassy, cat at center of Ohio pet-eating controversy, allegedly found alive

So will people finally shut up about this? I'm guess no.

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-wor...-donald-trump-jd-vance-kamala-harris-tim-walz

Miss Sassy, cat at center of Ohio pet-eating controversy, allegedly found alive
by JESSICA A. BOTELHO | The National DeskFri, September 20th 2024 at 8:07 PM
Updated Fri, September 20th 2024 at 8:50 PM
UserWay icon for accessibility widget

Meet Miss Sassy, the cat at the center of recent claims about Haitian migrants killing and eating pets in an Ohio city. (Photo: CNN Newsource)

WASHINGTON (TND) — Miss Sassy is the cat supposedly at the center of recent claims about Haitian migrants killing and eating pets in an Ohio city.

The cat's owner, identified by The Wall Street Journal as Anna Kilgore, reportedly contacted police in August and said her pet might have been taken -- and eaten -- by her Haitian neighbors. The media outlet reported the cat was eventually found alive and well.

According to CNN, Miss Sassy was found safe in Kilgore's basement a few days after Kilgore filed a report with authorities. Kilgore later apologized, the report noted.

Meet Miss Sassy, the cat at the center of recent claims about Haitian migrants killing and eating pets in an Ohio city. (Photo: CNN Newsource)
Meet Miss Sassy, the cat at the center of recent claims about Haitian migrants killing and eating pets in an Ohio city. (Photo: CNN Newsource)

The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday said Springfield City Manager Bryan Heck took a call earlier this month from someone who said they were a member of Ohio Sen. JD Vance's staff. Vance's employee, according to the media outlet, asked if the claim was true.


“He asked point-blank, 'Are the rumors true of pets being taken and eaten?'" Heck told The Wall Street Journal. “I told him no. There was no verifiable evidence or reports to show this was true. I told them these claims were baseless.”
Police in the area alsosaid the claims were false.

Vance, who is former President Donald Trump's running mate, has defended his role in spreading information about the claims.

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Under the Biden administration, at least 15,000 migrants recently relocated in Springfield, a city that was previously comprised of about 58,000 residents.

During the presidential debate between Trump and Kamala Harris, Trump mentioned the claims and said the recent influx of Haitian immigrants has put a severe strain on local resources.

“In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs,” Trump said at the debate. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in this country.”
Many of his supporters also said they are convinced it's true. People took to social media to defend the claims.

Billionaire Elon Musk shared a video on X of a woman who said her father immigrated to the U.S. from Haiti during the late 1960s when he was a teenager. She said while she and her dad are estranged, he often told her when she was "very, very young" that

"He wasn't eating people's pet and he didn't practice voodoo, but he did say that most of the island -- the majority of the island, does practice voodoo."

She added that some people who live in Haiti because they don't have access to food. She also said there's another reason: animal sacrifices.

"It's not racist to acknowledge that this is a problem," the woman said. "Y'all just want to joke about Trump and say he's crazy, but what if it were happening to you?"



Meanwhile, a man claiming to be from the Caribbean who claimed he was well-versed in Haitian culture, said he also believes Haitian migrants are killing pets and wild animals not only as a food source, butfor voodoo purposes, as well.

"This is not a joke," the man said in a video shared on TikTok and YouTube.



Since the Republican candidates' initial comments, more than two dozen bomb threats have prompted the state to send in additional state troopers and install surveillance cameras around the city in order to reopen schools and government buildings.

According to reports, Springfield Mayor Rob Rue doesn’t want Trump visiting his city in wake of the claims.

“It would be an extreme strain on our resources, so it’d be fine with me if they decided not to make that visit," he reportedly said. "It would be very difficult.”​

"At the center"

lol... that one came out very late, it was the police report that was released.

The question that came to mind after this came out a few days ago, was why did she think her Haitian neighbors ate the cat when this issue had not received national attention?

 

[jmdrake]

"At the center"

lol... that one came out very late, it was the police report that was released.

So far neither you nor anyone else has released a police report that said the word "Haitian." But whatever.

The question that came to mind after this came out a few days ago, was why did she think her Haitian neighbors ate the cat when this issue had not received national attention?

:rolleyes You have to ask? It's called prejudice. Yes that actually exists. It's a known fact that people in other countries eat things that people in this country generally do not. How many times have I heard the saying "You don't see stray cats around Chinese reasturants?" That's also prejudice. Sometimes or prejudicie, or pre judging, turns out to be justified, sometimes it doesn't. So far in this case it hasn't. But people have jumped on an repeated debunked stories. The the story that SS just reposted that TheCount already debunked by showing it happened in Springfield Florida and the cat napper / killer was an American born white man. That didn't stop SS for reposting the video again as if it was true. This is really a mind virus.

 

[Dr.3D]

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1838419979374362695

At least we know these folks are not the ones eating the cats and dogs.

Dogs and cats are not kosher.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

Haitian group in Ohio files citizen charges against Trump and Vance

A Woke Anti Free Speech Group
Haitian group in Ohio files citizen charges against Trump and Vance over statements that Haitian Migrants were eating dogs and cats

The fact there were residents in Springfield complaining about the missing cats and dogs and actually witnessing something.

 

[ClaytonB]

 

[Anti Globalist]

Looks like Trump now has more than 91 criminal charges against him.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[jmdrake]

LOL @ Megan Kelly. So....it's the fault of the left for covering what Donald Trump and J.D. Vance decided to make the center of the immigration debate? Donald Trump could have said in the debate "When Obama was president there was a report that his administration turned children over to human traffickers who ended up farming them out as sex slaves and labor slaves and the same thing has happened under the Biden administration but it didn't happen under my administration" and dropped the mic.

Edit: For reference see http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-Child-Trafficking!&highlight=Obama+children