**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[Ender]

Neither was Martin justified in throwing the punch that took Zimmerman to the ground on the way back to his vehicle.

There is no proof of this.

 

[Ender]

I don't want cops or cowards like u in my neighborhood

Oh boo hoo.

Quit with the personal BS.

Zimmerman ASKED to be a NW; the Sanford police trained him.

A NW duty is to WATCH & REPORT. If he had done that, Martin would be alive and Zimmerman would still be a NW in his neighborhood.

 

[Bruno]

There is no proof of this.

The burdon of proof is on the prosecution.

As a NW he was only justified in Observing and Reporting; that was his job and nothing more; he was NOT justified in following Martin- the cops were on their way and he knew it.

There is no proof he was not on his way back to the car as advised.

 

[Zippyjuan]

We are lacking physical evidence for a gap in time- that is the time between when Zimmerman was talking to the police and Trayvon was seen on top of Zimmerman with one of them screaming until a gunshot goes off. We know that Trayvon was shot in his left side at very close proximity and that Zimmerman had some minor injuries. What we do not know is who started the confrontation at that point. If Zimmerman had not persued Treyvon and waited for the police, it definately would not have occured at all. Instead he went after him. If Zimmerman did not want a confrontation and felt threatened enough to plead self defense, he should have waited for the police.

 

[jmdrake]

He could have also temporarily got one arm loose and down to his hip or holster or wherever the gun was on his body. I could see that.

Except Trayvon was sitting on top of where Zimmerman's gun was according to Zimmerman.

 

[jmdrake]

I don't want cops or cowards like u in my neighborhood

And I don't want trigger happy wanna be cops in my neighborhood. Did it ever cross your mind that Zimmerman fits the definition of Obama's "civilian national security force" to a T? He was very much tied into the system. Father was a retired judge. Zimmerman was a NW "block captain". And despite the fact that the arresting officer initially wanted to charge Zimmerman, Zimmerman was initially let off scott free. Do you have any doubt that if it had been you or me who had shot Trayvon that the DA and chief of police would not have stepped in to change the course of the investigation? The other day I was listening to Alex Jones and he was talking about how NW captains were being made part of the "system". And yet I've never seen him bring that fact up in connection with the Trayvon Martin killing. There is a lot of media manipulation in the case...and it's going both ways.

 

[Sam I am]

The burdon of proof is on the prosecution.



There is no proof he was not on his way back to the car as advised.

Self defense is an affirmative defense, it's Zimmerman who has to demonstrate that he was actin in self defense.

The burden of proof that is on the prosecution is the proof that Zimmerman indeed killed Trayvon Martin.

 

[Danke]

Let me see, I lose sight, so I get out of my car in my neighborhood to continue to try and observe...ya i'm guilty

 

[dannno]

As a NW he was only justified in Observing and Reporting; that was his job and nothing more; he was NOT justified in following Martin- the cops were on their way and he knew it.

Sigh... There are 98 year old women involved in neighborhood watch. Can you imagine if the policy of neighborhood watch was to follow suspicious persons??

Members of NW are individuals who also have rights, they aren't bound to NW policy.

We are lacking physical evidence for a gap in time-

So therefore, according to "innocent until proven guilty", wouldn't we need evidence of what happened during that time in order to convict Zimmerman?

Except Trayvon was sitting on top of where Zimmerman's gun was according to Zimmerman.

I'm guessing Zimmerman had limited range and could bend at the elbow, and got an arm semi-free enough to grab his gun but didn't feel that he had enough leverage to physically remove him.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm guessing Zimmerman had limited range and could bend at the elbow, and got an arm semi-free enough to grab his gun but didn't feel that he had enough leverage to physically remove him.

The gun that Trayvon was sitting on......without getting Trayvon off first....and with this "limited range" you say he had....nope. Not possible.

 

[Danke]

Sigh... There are 98 year old women involved in neighborhood watch. Can you imagine if the policy of neighborhood watch was to follow suspicious persons??

Members of NW are individuals who also have rights, they aren't bound to NW policy.






So therefore, according to "innocent until proven guilty", wouldn't we need evidence of what happened during that time in order to convict Zimmerman?





I'm guessing Zimmerman had limited range and could bend at the elbow, and got an arm semi-free enough to grab his gun but didn't feel that he had enough leverage to physically remove him.

thanks dannno. sanity after some insane responses..

 

[Danke]

People really don't know how u can draw a weapon while being attack? Really?

 

[Pericles]

Self defense is an affirmative defense, it's Zimmerman who has to demonstrate that he was actin in self defense.

The burden of proof that is on the prosecution is the proof that Zimmerman indeed killed Trayvon Martin.

Given the information we seem to have now, there is no evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's claim of self defense.

Even if Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, and even if he through the "first punch", the witness that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman shows that Martin had negated Zimmerman's force, and was using disproportionate force to respond, and Martin had gone beyond "standing his ground" and was assaulting Zimmerman.

 

[Bruno]

The gun that Trayvon was sitting on......without getting Trayvon off first....and with this "limited range" you say he had....nope. Not possible.

Did he state that at no time did he have access to his gun? He obviously did at some point. What does the report state about that?

 

[jmdrake]

People really don't know how u can draw a weapon while being attack? Really?

I never said that and you know it. I said I don't see how Zimmerman got to his gun with Trayvon having his knees on Zimmeran's legs and his butt on top of where Zimmerman said his gun was.

Edit: And without getting Trayvon off him first.

 

[Zippyjuan]

The gun that Trayvon was sitting on......without getting Trayvon off first....and with this "limited range" you say he had....nope. Not possible.

Which would mean either we cannot trust what Zimmerman said happened or Trayvon shot himself from the front of his left side while sitting on top of somebody struggling with the bullet reaching his lung and heart.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/17/2804442/law-officers-set-to-release-evidence.html

 

[jmdrake]

Did he state that at no time did he have access to his gun? He obviously did at some point. What does the report state about that?

Right. He obviously had his gun at some point. But from the description he gave of where he and Trayvon were positioned immediately prior to the shooting it's not obvious how he got to his gun without getting Trayvon off him first. And if he got Trayvon off of him before he shot him......

 

[Bruno]

Right. He obviously had his gun at some point. But from the description he gave of where he and Trayvon were positioned immediately prior to the shooting it's not obvious how he got to his gun without getting Trayvon off him first. And if he got Trayvon off of him before he shot him......

That is a big IF and certainly no one saw the shot and we all wish someone did so we would have a better idea of what went down during the whole confrontation.

There are at least two witnesses in the police reports who state they saw Zimmerman getting up from the ground after the shot was fired and walking away from Martin.

 

[Danke]

I never said that and you know it. I said I don't see how Zimmerma an got to his gun with Trayvon having his knees on Zimmeran's legs and his butt on top of where Zimmerman said his gun was.

Whoa, so Trayvon was ass backwards? It all makes sense now

 

[jmdrake]

Whoa, so Trayvon was ass backwards?

Huh? Zimmerman said his gun was in his waist. So how would that make Trayvon "ass backwards"? If Trayvon was turned around he'd have been sitting on Zimmerman's face instead of Zimmerman's waist.