**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[DerailingDaTrain]

Wow, you are completely farkin ridiculous.. how convenient that you left out the part that said:



RIGHT AFTER the gold teeth and hoodie comment!!

The fact that the kid had gold teeth and a hoodie was what caused Zimmerman to scope out this guy. Trayvon then apparently got pissed he was being scoped on and decided to get in a fight with him.

For the last time: Those teeth come out,they fit right over your teeth,he did not have gold teeth.

 

[moo]

Oh noes!

That must mean that the courts must be biased against Black people. I guess this invalidates the entire judicial system.

Quick, throw a cinder block through the front window of a business and loot it!

Let's completely disregard the fact that thousands of black kids get murdered every day and the most likely culprit is almost always other Black people.

Wait, it's about Zimmerman not even being tried for his "crimes."

Never mind the fact that in Detroit 70% of all murders go unsolved and no one is arrested.

didn't you make a thread titled "Trayvon Martin was Caught with Women's Jewelry and a "Burglary Tool" in Earlier Suspension"
aren't you one of those weirdos who tried to criminalize & dehumanize a dead teenager? yea that's you.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Zimmerman's dad a retired State Supreme Court Judge

I actually attempted to verify this with a Google search yesterday. It mostly shows up in random blogs, not more legitimate news sources. It's either being covered-up pretty well by the mainstream media, or it's just a rumor.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

I'm sorry, but there is not a single person in the world besides Zimmerman who knows what Trayvon did that night because Trayvon is dead. How the fuck do you know he was minding his own business?? Maybe he was initially, but after Zimmerman started watching him it is very possibly that Trayvon became upset and decided to fuck with him. Apparently he came up behind Zimmerman, verbally and then physically attacked him. There is ZERO EVIDENCE that is not what happened. In fact, some EYE WITNESSES saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, beating his head in. Therefore, in a court of law, unless more evidenc is presented you CANNOT convict Zimmerman without ignoring innocent until proven guilty.

I guess we'll never know because the other person who could tell us what happened stop breathing a while ago. Maybe if Zimmerman had listened to the police dispatcher he wouldn't be caught up in a murder case of an unarmed person. Also, why do you keep leaving out the other witnesses?

Edit: Verbally assaulted him? lol you said earlier that he asked him if he had a problem then when he said no Martin hit him and said you do now. How is that verbal assault in anyone's mind?

 

[specsaregood]

i push the BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY angle.
repeal the stand your ground law.

it sounds to me like you are happy that the kid was killed, it gives you an excuse to push your agenda. how does one become such a heartless monster?

 

[RiseAgainst]

I can't believe some of the stuff I see coming from supposed "liberty" activists.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

I can't believe some of the stuff I see coming from supposed "liberty" activists.

Well, according to some on this forum (very few), race relations are at an all time low and it's us against them don't ya know?

 

[jmdrake]

Wow, you are completely farkin ridiculous.. how convenient that you left out the part that said:



RIGHT AFTER the gold teeth and hoodie comment!!

The fact that the kid had gold teeth and a hoodie was what caused Zimmerman to scope out this guy. Trayvon then apparently got pissed he was being scoped on and decided to get in a fight with him.

Dannno, I love you bro, but you are being ridiculous! Do you honestly think that Zimmerman could see Trayvon's gold tooth, from his car in the dark! And I've noticed that you want to harp on the gold tooth. Why not the residue of weed Trayvon supposedly had on him from at least one account? Is that because you are pro drugs? So it's okay to stereotype people with gold teeth and make outlandish statements about how he must have lost his teeth in "gang fights" and/or got gold teeth to be "menacing"? And you have the nerve to say someone else is being ridiculous?

I guess Dru Down got all his teeth knocked out too. And his hair straight because it got pulled out in a fight.

 

[Ender]

Riiiiight. Martin minding his own business in a gated neighborhood in which he did not live.

Listen, the dude got caught somewhere he did not belong. He attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman defended himself. The end!

It has nothing to do with color unless you are claiming blacks hate latinos.

What are you talking about?

Martin was visiting his father's girlfriend, with his father; he had been inside her house, left to go the store for some skittles and was on his way back. He belonged there as much as Zimmerman.

Also:

FLORIDA
From the Florida NWIntro Booklet:
http://www.hillsboroughcounty.org/on...rev610.pdf.pdf

Neighborhood Watch is an “Eyes and Ears” Program!
Neighborhood Watch is not a vigilante program. Participants, as private citizens, are only to report their observations of suspicious activity to law enforcement; not to take action themselves. The confrontation, apprehension and/or detention of any suspicious persons observed by participants should be handled by a trained law enforcement officer, empowered to perform law enforcement duties, as outlined under Florida law.

 

[moo]

it sounds to me like you are happy that the kid was killed, it gives you an excuse to push your agenda. how does one become such a heartless monster?

what agenda is that?

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

It couldn't be posted in the other threads because those who are defending Zimmerman won't acknowledge that there are other witnesses and want to use the kid's background of suspension against him without taking into account Zimmerman's background because if Zimmerman loses his court case our 2nd amendment rights will be stripped from us. I don't know why we even have to discuss this any longer. This is from lewrockwell.com

Martin, an unarmed teenager with no criminal record, was headed to his father’s home in the Miami Gardens gated community. Although he was described by Zimmerman to the police as a "suspicious individual," Martin had an unqualified legal right to be where he was.

In his 911 call, Zimmerman told a police dispatcher that "There’s a real suspicious guy. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, on drugs or something…. These a**holes always get away." Zimmerman actively pursued Martin, after being specifically instructed that this was unnecessary.

When Martin noticed Zimmerman, the teenager – who was speaking to a girlfriend via cellphone – made reference to being ".... hounded by a strange man on a cellphone who ran after him, cornered him, and confronted him," as summarized in an ABC News report.

"Why are you following me?" Martin asked Zimmerman. A few moments later, Zimmerman shot Martin with his 9 millimeter handgun. Several witnesses reported hearing the teenager cry for help before the shot was fired.

"They’re wrestling right in the back of my porch," one witness told a police dispatcher. "The guy’s yelling help and I’m not going out."

For some reason, police investigating the matter "corrected" one key witness, a local schoolteacher, by insisting that it was Zimmerman, not Martin, who had cried for help.

In addition to "correcting" one eyewitness, the Sanford PD pointedly ignored the testimony of Martin’s girlfriend, to whom the victim expressed his own fears about the unidentified man who was stalking him.

 

[jmdrake]

They would have to do more than just hit you.

But I suppose you could, if you wanted to be a dick.

Not sure why anybody would want to do that, not to mention run the risk of being prosecuted for murder by a jury anyway. If you started the confrontation you might not get away with it. The story here is that Trayvon started the actual confrontation and the attack, unprovoked, 5 minutes after he had been scoping him out.

That's the story you're running with. That story has not been proven. And no, despite false claims by you and others, all of the witnesses do not agree with that story. I tell you what Dannno. Give me your witness list. Who are the "6 witnesses" you and others claim all back up Zimmerman's story and a summary of their statements. I only know of 3 witnesses, the anonymous witness who admits he didn't see the start of the fight, Mary Crutcher who says police didn't want to hear her whole story, and Trayvon's girlfriend, who was talking to Trayvon on the phone, and who's testimony implicates Zimmerman as starting the fight. I'm willing to admit that we don't know the full story and that the "just us" system should run its course. Can you do the same? Or are you going to stick to your "I saw gold teeth so Trayvon must have been guilty of assault" argument?

 

[moo]

it sounds to me that specsaregood will not support trayvon martin if the STAND YOUR GROUND LAW IS REPEALED but has the AUDACITY use trayvon as a shield to say i'm pushing an agenda.

 

[jmdrake]

How many times do we have to say that the story is .......

 

[specsaregood]

And I've noticed that you want to harp on the gold tooth. Why not the residue of weed Trayvon supposedly had on him from at least one account? Is that because you are pro drugs?

Also, wasn't the "appears to be on drugs" comment part of what made him "suspicious" enough to call 911 about?

 

[jmdrake]

I actually attempted to verify this with a Google search yesterday. It mostly shows up in random blogs, not more legitimate news sources. It's either being covered-up pretty well by the mainstream media, or it's just a rumor.

For what it's worth, the blog in the OP links to this from CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/22/justice/florida-teen-zimmerman/index.html

"The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting, are false and extremely misleading," his father, a retired magistrate judge, wrote in a letter published in the Orlando Sentinel. "Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas."

So no. It's not just a blog rumor.

 

[jmdrake]

it sounds to me that specsaregood will not support trayvon martin if the STAND YOUR GROUND LAW IS REPEALED but has the AUDACITY use trayvon as a shield to say i'm pushing an agenda.

It sounds to me like your playing with straw men and red herrings. You clearly stated in this thread that you wanted "stand your ground" repealed. That by definition is "an agenda". I'm curious though. What do you think the legal standard should be?

 

[kylejack]

Dude, don't you know how to read?? How many times do we have to say that the story is Trayvon came up behind him and enganged HIM. Verbally, and then physically. There is zero, absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman engaged Trayvon, only that he was scoping him out FIVE MINUTES EARLIER.

Sure there's evidence. The altercation happened behind the townhomes, so no, Zimmerman was not just following him five minutes earlier. He was following him right then, or just moments before. Furthermore, the girlfriend says that Trayvon walked fast, then ran, then she heard the conversation "Why are you following me?" "What are you doing here?"

 

[MelissaWV]

The flipping-the-bird pic was blurred and backlit. It looked a bit like him to me, but it also didn't matter.

I am sure that the people who used this to paint him as a "thug" are going to backtrack now.

Nahhh.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

For what it's worth, the blog in the OP links to this from CNN.
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So no. It's not just a blog rumor.

Yeah, it seems that specific CNN article is the root, as most blogs eventually refer to it. But it doesn't come up anywhere else. It should be a well known fact at this point. It very well may be true, but like I said, the MSM is keeping a lid on it.

And that CNN article refers to a Orlando Sentinel article that I can not find.

For instance, this article raises questions, but no definitive answers:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...Judge-Detective-was-told-Not-to-Arrest-George