**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[coastie]

daddy probably taught him exactly how to kill & use the SYG law. he's been practicing stalking for years & he's finally found the nerve to do it.

He didn't use SYG, his own damn defense isn't even trying that one....

 

[specsaregood]

daddy probably taught him exactly how to kill & use the SYG law.

This incident has NOTHING to do with the SYG laws.

 

[eduardo89]

This incident has NOTHING to do with the SYG laws.

Shhhhh! It doesn't fit his narrative.

 

[dannno]

So him having a gold tooth and being in a hoodie justifies him being KILLED? Racist much?

Wow, you are completely farkin ridiculous.. how convenient that you left out the part that said:

punched him in the face, then, as an eyewitness confirms, got on top of him and started pummeling him

RIGHT AFTER the gold teeth and hoodie comment!!

The fact that the kid had gold teeth and a hoodie was what caused Zimmerman to scope out this guy. Trayvon then apparently got pissed he was being scoped on and decided to get in a fight with him.

 

[dannno]

I think the bottom line is that Zimmerman had every opportunity to NOT ENGAGE. He was even TOLD TO NOT ENGAGE by the 9/11 dispatcher.

Zimmerman via manslaughter at the very least.

Dude, don't you know how to read?? How many times do we have to say that the story is Trayvon came up behind him and enganged HIM. Verbally, and then physically. There is zero, absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman engaged Trayvon, only that he was scoping him out FIVE MINUTES EARLIER.

 

[dannno]

I'm pretty sure, that if I really tried, I could find someone whom i could cause to strike me without laying a hand on them.


If I went out, with the sole purpose of causing someone to hit me first, so I could shoot them with a gun, would I be able to claim self defense?

They would have to do more than just hit you.

But I suppose you could, if you wanted to be a dick.

Not sure why anybody would want to do that, not to mention run the risk of being prosecuted for murder by a jury anyway. If you started the confrontation you might not get away with it. The story here is that Trayvon started the actual confrontation and the attack, unprovoked, 5 minutes after he had been scoping him out.

 

[moo]

This incident has NOTHING to do with the SYG laws.

he got off with an interview and a bandaid all because he cried wolf.

 

[specsaregood]

he got off with an interview and a bandaid all because he cried wolf.

you want the kid to lose more support from people saying there should be an investigation? push the SYG angle, see what happens.

 

[moo]

this is for you danno. these pictures were taken 9 days before his death.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

you want the kid to lose more support from people saying there should be an investigation? push the SYG angle, see what happens.

Agree big time with that.

 

[AlexanderY]

daddy probably taught him exactly how to kill & use the SYG law. he's been practicing stalking for years & he's finally found the nerve to do it.

Oh noes!

That must mean that the courts must be biased against Black people. I guess this invalidates the entire judicial system.

Quick, throw a cinder block through the front window of a business and loot it!

Let's completely disregard the fact that thousands of black kids get murdered every day and the most likely culprit is almost always other Black people.

Wait, it's about Zimmerman not even being tried for his "crimes."

Never mind the fact that in Detroit 70% of all murders go unsolved and no one is arrested.

 

[dannno]

ohhh so zimmerman wasn't attacked from behind. that's so sad even his defenders don't know what to believe.

I never said he was attacked from behind. This is the exact quote you have been referring to:

Apparently he came up behind Zimmerman, verbally and then physically attacked him.

So Trayvon came up behind Zimmerman and verbally attacked him:

T: "Do you have a problem?" Z: "No" T: "You do now!"

AND THEN physically attacked him.

When you attack somebody verbally, from behind, it would be assumed that they would turn around. Then you could physically attack them from the front. If you understood the english language a little bit better you could have read between the lines and picked up on that.

 

[moo]

you want the kid to lose more support from people saying there should be an investigation? push the SYG angle, see what happens.

there's the door. you know how to use it.

 

[WarNoMore]

They would have to do more than just hit you.

But I suppose you could, if you wanted to be a dick.

Not sure why anybody would want to do that, not to mention run the risk of being prosecuted for murder by a jury anyway. If you started the confrontation you might not get away with it. The story here is that Trayvon started the actual confrontation and the attack, unprovoked, 5 minutes after he had been scoping him out.

That's one of the stories. Told by the shooter and some unnamed witness. Another witness says the cries for help sounded like they were coming from a young man, then a shot was fired, and when she looked out she saw Zimmerman on top of the kid and had the kid pinned to the ground. Not sure why he would need to shoot him at that point. oh he was reaching for his gun, lol. Did he actually grab it? Are his fingerprints on the gun? I don't buy Zimmerman's story. I want this to go to trial and let's see what else comes out.

 

[specsaregood]

there's the door. you know how to use it.

And there it is. YOUR agenda is not justice, your agenda is to make people powerless to defend themselves. I would like to make sure justice is carried out -- whatever the result -- you on the otherhand don't care one bit about the dead kid.

 

[iGGz]

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[jmdrake]

Pro-Zimmerman? More like Anti-Lynching of Zimmerman. No one here is excusing Zimmerman of possible criminal behavior.

Some have. I've seen repeated statements from some here that there was no probable cause against Zimmerman because Trayvon must fully instigated the fight since that's the only crime Trayvon might of committed and the police determined there was no probable cause. Yes it's obviously stupid circular reasoning, but I've seen it. I've seen our resident sexologist drugologist harp in on Trayvon having a few gold teeth, likely because he didn't want to make marijuana look bad for allegedly hanging with Trayvon. I've seen people repeatedly claiming that "all 6 witnesses said the same thing" even though Mary Crutcher's public statement disagrees with what the police said she said and despite the fact that Trayvon's girlfriend counts as a witness to the conversation she and Trayvon were having the moment contact with Zimmerman occurred. Apparently to some people witnesses only count if the bolster the "Trayvon was the criminal here" argument. So yes. There have been pro-Zimmerman threads. Some people have acted like saying that Zimmerman should get a trial instead of getting off scott free is "lynching" Zimmerman. I'm glad you are willing to concede that Zimmerman had possible criminal behavior. I'm willing to concede that Zimmerman might be innocent and Trayvon might be the criminal. Now can we all agree that both made some stupid decisions? Can we all agree that not everytime Zimmerman or Trayvon farted in public is relevant? The OP is relevant in that it sheds light on the fact that not all of the police were just willing to blow this whole thing off and not charge Zimmerman as he should have been charged irrespective of the "Stand Your Ground" statute. To me that's more important than Zimmerman's daddy being a judge, although that fact does explain why even (allegedly) assaulting a police officer was wiped off Zimmerman's record.

 

[moo]

I never said he was attacked from behind. This is the exact quote you have been referring to:



So Trayvon came up behind Zimmerman and verbally attacked him:

T: "Do you have a problem?" Z: "No" T: "You do now!"

AND THEN physically attacked him.

When you attack somebody verbally, from behind, it would be assumed that they would turn around. Then you could physically attack them from the front. If you understood the english language a little bit better you could have read between the lines and picked up on that.

THIS IS A NEW ONE. Trayvon verbally attacked zimmerman by saying "do you have a problem?" "you do now"
omg this is hilarious but i'll play with this story too.

there is no evidence of trayvon verbally attacking anyone but what we do have is zimmerman verbally attacking trayvon by calling him an ASSHOLE and a COON so trayvon had the right to SYG & defend himself from zimmerman's verbal attacks.

 

[jmdrake]

daddy probably taught him exactly how to kill & use the SYG law. he's been practicing stalking for years & he's finally found the nerve to do it.

He didn't use SYG, his own damn defense isn't even trying that one....

This incident has NOTHING to do with the SYG laws.

Shhhhh! It doesn't fit his narrative.

he got off with an interview and a bandaid all because he cried wolf.

you want the kid to lose more support from people saying there should be an investigation? push the SYG angle, see what happens.

I agree with those that say the "Stand Your Ground" law is not applicable to this case. But misapplication of the SYG law is the only plausible reason why this case was initially dropped without charges or even a proper investigation. (Well the daddy-judge thing fits into that too). Just look at the discussions here. I've seen (some) Zimmerman defenders repeatedly cite to the SYG law and (wrongly) claim that because of it there was no probable cause against Zimmerman. When I pointed out that under self defense, probably cause must be established first and then self defense can be brought up. Self defense doesn't negate probable cause. It negates reasonable doubt. One of my main arguments against the lenient treatment Zimmerman received is that if this is the correct reading of the SYG law then it's difficult to defend the SYG law. That's what really makes this otherwise unimportant case important. Trust me. There will be an attempt in the next Florida legislature to amend or repeal SYG and this case will be cited in the legislative arguments.

 

[moo]

And there it is. YOUR agenda is not justice, your agenda is to make people powerless to defend themselves. I would like to make sure justice is carried out -- whatever the result -- you on the otherhand don't care one bit about the dead kid.

i push the BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY angle.
repeal the stand your ground law.