**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[angelatc]

Some have tried and convicted Trayvon Martin in their head and declared him a "perp". The rest of us are just asking that Zimmerman be charged and there be a trial.

Exactly.

 

[MelissaWV]

The new self defense claim is trayvon reached for zimmerman's gun. It doesn't matter who started the fight

Interesting, but how did Martin know there was a gun?

 

[angelatc]

The new self defense claim is trayvon reached for zimmerman's gun. It doesn't matter who started the fight

It does. Zimmerman already had his gun out when chasing a kid who was trying to flee the situation?

 

[moo]

Interesting, but how did Martin know there was a gun?

Good question. How did martin know where to reach?

 

[MelissaWV]

Logic or emotion. If "how Martin felt" is what is important, cite me the statute that says so. Cite me that statute and case law in Florida that says what Zimmerman was doing constitutes "Stalking". These are specific legal terms you are throwing around. We don't charge people with crimes because Coastie thinks what somebody did is wrong. We charge people based on statutes. If the statute does not support the charge, the arrest is unlawful.

In all fairness, the law was posted in one of the other dozen threads about this. It would get pretty redundant to go around and do the same thing in every related thread every time.

 

[azxd]

What's with the smiley faces? It amuses you that a kid is dead, and nobody can do anything about it?

Florida defines stalking as:

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[TD="width: 100%"]Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows or harasses another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
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Willfully - check
Maliciously - check
Repeatedly - check (First in the car, then on foot)

Bias - Check

 

[RonPaulMall]

Also the author of the "Stand your ground" law says it doesn't apply in this case.

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Good lord. Are honestly citing a freaking politician? You realize that it is almost unheard of for a politician to actually write a law? Other people draft them for them. The best you can hope for is the politician has a vague understanding of the law before he introduces it. I've cited the statute itself. You've cited a politician who ignores the statute entirely and admits he knows nothing about the case. Show me where IN THE STATUTE it says anything that would justify the statute not being applicable.

 

[kylejack]

If Zimmerman brandished, he had already assaulted Martin.

 

[kylejack]

Good lord. Are honestly citing a freaking politician? You realize that it is almost unheard of for a politician to actually write a law? Other people draft them for them. The best you can hope for is the politician has a vague understanding of the law before he introduces it. I've cited the statute itself. You've cited a politician who ignores the statute entirely and admits he knows nothing about the case. Show me where IN THE STATUTE it says anything that would justify the statute not being applicable.

It's moot. They don't intend to use SYG as an affirmative defense, therefore it's irrelevant.

 

[azxd]

He was asking for assistance because he was being stalked. Works fine for me.

Are you really that lost ?
Zimmerman dialed 911 ... Martin called his girlfriend, then dialed 911, or so it has been reported !!!

 

[angelatc]

Logic or emotion. If "how Martin felt" is what is important, cite me the statute that says so.

Probable cause and reasonable belief are both legal terms. I don't find it at all unreasonable to believe that Martin had a "reasonable belief" that the man in the car could pose a threat to him, and was following him intending to do just that.

If Zimmerman had a "pizza" sign on the top of his car, reasonable belief wouldn't apply - it would be reasonable to believe that guy was looking for an address.

But being followed by a slow moving car in a bad neighborhood? It's reasonable to assume that nothing good will come from the encounter.

 

[angelatc]

Zimmerman dialed 911 ... Martin called his girlfriend, then dialed 911, or so it has been reported !!!

You denying that young black men have a resistance to calling the police? Or that 17 year olds aren't always the best judges of what to do?

 

[RonPaulMall]

It's moot. They don't intend to use SYG as an affirmative defense, therefore it's irrelevant.

SYG is not an affirmative defense. It is an immunity from prosecution under Florida's justifiable use of force Chapter. SYG is the reason Zimmerman wouldn't be arrested in the first place, not something he'd raise as an affirmative defense at trial.

 

[kylejack]

SYG is not an affirmative defense. It is an immunity from prosecution under Florida's justifiable use of force Chapter. SYG is the reason Zimmerman wouldn't be arrested in the first place, not something he'd raise as an affirmative defense at trial.

Well his lawyer who has a law degree and experience representing defendants in Florida says it doesn't apply.

 

[azxd]

In all fairness, if someone approaches me at night who has been following me around, I am not going to pause to try to ascertain with whom they are speaking. I am not even going to trust that they are actually on the phone. I am going to get to a safer area before calling the police myself. If the aforementioned is "asking questions" in the same sort of tone he's using on the 9-1-1 recording, you bet your butt I am not standing around in the dark to have a chitchat with them. I am getting my "suspicious" self home.

And yeah, when I told my parents what happened, the word "stalking" might come into it.

Just as people are saying Zimmerman did not know anything for certain about Martin (Martin could have had a gun in that hoodie, or he could have been a boxer, or he could have been a drug dealer or or or), Martin could not know anything about Zimmerman, who was just a weird guy following him around in his car.

Your description ... YES ?

And if the reports are true, Martin was 100 yards from home, why didn't he go there ?

 

[angelatc]

I also await a response to this.

I posted the definition earlier in the thread.

 

[angelatc]

Your description ... YES ?

And if the reports are true, Martin was 100 yards from home, why didn't he go there ?

I have actually been in this situation. I did not go home because I did not want the guy following me to know where I lived.

 

[moo]

You denying that young black men have a resistance to calling the police?

Drug dealers and gangsters never call the police.

 

[azxd]

FYI... they were going with SYG up until a fairly recent (yesterday? day before?) interview.

They must have actually read the law and seen that it was a stretch.

Is this based on a reporters speculation, or Zimmerman's lawyer ?

Citation please.

 

[azxd]

Some have tried and convicted Trayvon Martin in their head and declared him a "perp". The rest of us are just asking that Zimmerman be charged and there be a trial.

I was referencing those who claim Zimmerman murdered Martin ... Who are you speaking for ?