**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[TheeJoeGlass]

I'm sorry, but which is it? Martin ran off like a perp, or Martin beat the crap out of Zimmerman and "jumped" him without provocation? Those seem like markedly different actions to be taken just minutes apart.

Martin ran at first, we know this because of the 911 call. Then Martin attacked Zimmerman which is what the police department confirmed judging by the injuries he suffered. That is why they can't charge him.

 

[angelatc]

Thats bs, on the 911 call, Zimmerman is clearly asking him a non threatening question and he responds by thinking Zimmerman is a white racist and takes off running escolating the situation. The second he refused to respond and took off, he became a perp.

That's simply not true. Zimmerman is not law enforcement, and if the police were treating this like he was, that just compounds the mistake.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

Show me where you are "REQUIRED"(as you infer) to answering a neighborhood watch's questions....you are not. Perp is short for perpetrator...perptrated what, walking to a store whilst on a cell phone?

The police didn't arrest him because they mis-applied Florida Law. Period.

Deal with that.

Yea, coastie knows more about the evidence then the police that responded to the crime. Go figure.

 

[coastie]

Actually, how about answering the question that Zimmerman asked him in a non threatening way which can be heard on the 911 call. Vicious racist criminals don't normally confront the people they're about to slaughter in a racist fit of anger with a cell phine connected to the police department. Just like innocent people don't take off running when asked a non threatening question like, what are you doing here, answer, watching the all star game at my dads house, situation averted.

Actually, how about you show me where he was REQUIRED to do that. You seem to believe that Martin was somehow required to answer Zimmerman, when he was not.



You are inferring here that he deserved it in the end, because he ran from some fucking fat busy body that was following him around at night, and didn't properly bow down to Zimmerman.

 

[Liberty4life]

Dude are you the guy in this video? I love this guy!

 

[angelatc]

Martin ran at first, we know this because of the 911 call. Then Martin attacked Zimmerman which is what the police department confirmed judging by the injuries he suffered. That is why they can't charge him.

No, that's why they didn't charge him. They were wrong. They should have let the grand jury decide if Zimmerman's stalking counted as enough provocation to charge him.

 

[azxd]

Strange how so many people want to determine guilt or innocence without all of the facts. Myself, I'll wait for the facts before I make up my mind.

I don't find it strange at all ... Some people are just predisposed to jump to conclusions.

 

[coastie]

Yea, coastie knows more about the evidence then the police that responded to the crime. Go figure.

Yeah, but coastie the CCW holder does know that he cannot go around looking for people at night, with a gun, in the manner Zimmerman appears to have done. When Martin ran, that was the end of it. Fat boy should've drove off, and let the police handle it from there. Exiting his truck will be what hangs him here, there was no reason for it.

 

[eduardo89]

No, that's why they didn't charge him. They were wrong. They should have let the grand jury decide if Zimmerman's stalking counted as enough provocation to charge him.

And that's what will probably happen.

Anyway, if there was enough evidence to charge him, they'd do it right away. There isn't, so they haven't.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

That's simply not true. Zimmerman is not law enforcement, and if the police were treating this like he was, that just compounds the mistake.

Think about it. What do police call people that take off running and then violently attack someone? When I said deal with it, I meant it. That is just the nature of this case. THe police arrived with the PERP shot dead, they know he was the perp because when Zimmerman was on the 911 call, Martin takes off running which in the eyes of the police makes you a perp. Zimmerman not being law enforcement is irrelevant when the 911 operator reports that the perp is running towards the back entrance. Case closed, he was a perp, and no, I not racist for saying it. Just calling the situation as it is.

 

[angelatc]

Yea, coastie knows more about the evidence then the police that responded to the crime. Go figure.

Cops are not lawyers. If the DA had taken this to a Grand Jury, we likely would not be having this conversation.

Personally, I think all person-on-person shootings (especially cop-on-civilian) shootings should go to a jury, for that very reason. If Zimmerman had been acquitted by a jury, he'd be in a much position right now.

 

[azxd]

Trayvon Martin Police Report here It kind of paints a different picture than the media portrayal. 6 eyewitnesses, Zimmerman treated by medics, and said he was yelling for help but nobody came.

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

This means nothing to those who have already rendered a verdict of guilty without a trial.

 

[specsaregood]

Think about it. What do police call people that take off running and then violently attack someone? When I said deal with it, I meant it. That is just the nature of this case. THe police arrived with the PERP shot dead, they know he was the perp because when Zimmerman was on the 911 call, Martin takes off running which in the eyes of the police makes you a perp. Zimmerman not being law enforcement is irrelevant when the 911 operator reports that the perp is running towards the back entrance. Case closed, he was a perp, and no, I not racist for saying it. Just calling the situation as it is.

Another lesson to learn. If you are gonna kill somebody, make sure to call the cops first and claim the person you intend to murder took off running.

 

[MelissaWV]

Martin ran at first, we know this because of the 911 call. Then Martin attacked Zimmerman which is what the police department confirmed judging by the injuries he suffered. That is why they can't charge him.

So he ran off... then came back just to start a fight?

That really makes logical sense to you?

 

[angelatc]

Think about it. What do police call people that take off running and then violently attack someone? When I said deal with it, I meant it. That is just the nature of this case. THe police arrived with the PERP shot dead, they know he was the perp because when Zimmerman was on the 911 call, Martin takes off running which in the eyes of the police makes you a perp. Zimmerman not being law enforcement is irrelevant when the 911 operator reports that the perp is running towards the back entrance. Case closed, he was a perp, and no, I not racist for saying it. Just calling the situation as it is.

Uhm, I haven't heard the police use the term at all in this case. You can call him a perp all you want, but in my mind Zimmerman is the real "perp." He stalked and killed a 17 year old - like a hunter going after a deer. (And yes, deer will attack.) Case closed.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

Actually, how about you show me where he was REQUIRED to do that. You seem to believe that Martin was somehow required to answer Zimmerman, when he was not.



You are inferring here that he deserved it in the end, because he ran from some fucking fat busy body that was following him around at night, and didn't properly bow down to Zimmerman.

You are right, but that is not the point. Martin has a right to do whatever he wants, just like Zimmerman has a right to confront him in a non threatening, non violent way. The second Zimmerman started getting his ass beat, he had every right to shoot whoever was doing it. Unless a witness says that Zimmerman struck first or is a racist, remember, no one close to Zimmerman accuses him of being racist, and his father says that he has black family members, this case is closed.

 

[eduardo89]

Cops are not lawyers. If the DA had taken this to a Grand Jury, we likely would not be having this conversation.

A DA will only take this to a Grand Jury if they think they have a shot at making it to trial.

 

[coastie]

Think about it. What do police call people that take off running and then violently attack someone? When I said deal with it, I meant it. That is just the nature of this case. THe police arrived with the PERP shot dead, they know he was the perp because when Zimmerman was on the 911 call, Martin takes off running which in the eyes of the police makes you a perp. Zimmerman not being law enforcement is irrelevant when the 911 operator reports that the perp is running towards the back entrance. Case closed, he was a perp, and no, I not racist for saying it. Just calling the situation as it is.

I wasn't aware we could freely shoot people because they run from a NON COP. Good to know, I'll keep that in mind next time I see someone take off from me because I'm being an over-zealous busy body(as is clearly documented in Zimmerman's phone call-funny how you only mention the part where Zimmerman asked him a question, and not Zimmerman's attitude on the phone call)...


And in the end-Zimmerman was wrong, wasn't he? The kid was walking to the store to get a soda or whatever-not rob houses.

 

[angelatc]

And that's what will probably happen.

Anyway, if there was enough evidence to charge him, they'd do it right away. There isn't, so they haven't.

You don't need evidence to charge somebody.

 

[eduardo89]

You don't need evidence to charge somebody.

I didn't say you do. But they haven't charged him since the shooting, which shows they have no evidence.