**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[angelatc]

Zimmerman was well within his right to confront the perp. Why is he not allowed to get out of his truck? Why is he supposed to know that instead of Martin answering in a non criminal manner(running) and simply talk like normal people instead of acting scared that a mexican was gonna hurt him.

THE PERP?

 

[coastie]

THE PERP?

Yes, all unidentified black people are considered perps to him.

 

[angelatc]

You say "non criminal manner", another might argue "purdence". Perhaps the kid had life experiences different than your own that have taught him that it is better to run.

Exactly. For example, if Trayvon had been female nobody would even consider the fact that she should stay and verbally engage somebody who had been following her. John Wayne Gacy talked young men into his apartment on a regular basis.

Before the "Stand Your Ground" law was passed, a person in Trayvon's situation could have been prosecuted for not fleeing a potentially harmful situation, even if not the aggressor. How absolutely sad that he's now being villified for doing exactly that.

 

[Athan]

Calling Judge Ito and Martha Clark the masses are hungry again.

 

[Noob]

Trayvon Martin Police Report here It kind of paints a different picture than the media portrayal. 6 eyewitnesses, Zimmerman treated by medics, and said he was yelling for help but nobody came.

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

 

[Dr.3D]

Strange how so many people want to determine guilt or innocence without all of the facts. Myself, I'll wait for the facts before I make up my mind.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

Thats bs, on the 911 call, Zimmerman is clearly asking him a non threatening question and he responds by thinking Zimmerman is a white racist and takes off running escolating the situation. The second he refused to respond and took off, he became a perp.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

Exactly. For example, if Trayvon had been female nobody would even consider the fact that she should stay and verbally engage somebody who had been following her. John Wayne Gacy talked young men into his apartment on a regular basis.

Before the "Stand Your Ground" law was passed, a person in Trayvon's situation could have been prosecuted for not fleeing a potentially harmful situation, even if not the aggressor. How absolutely sad that he's now being villified for doing exactly that.

What the hell does that even mean, if Trayvon had been a women?!? Why? Totally irrelevant.

 

[Brian Coulter]

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[angelatc]

I posted a different story in one of these threads, which seems ready-made for the media to feign outrage, but didn't get the same flurry of interest.



Maybe we just didn't need a "heartbreaking" story that week.

Metro Detroit has at least one a week. Currently, we've even got a serial killer roaming around. The media has spent more time yammering about the site the killer uses to meet his victims (with not-so-subtle undertones of future internet regulation ) than the fact that there is a serial killer roaming the streets.

 

[coastie]

Thats bs, on the 911 call, Zimmerman is clearly asking him a non threatening question and he responds by thinking Zimmerman is a white racist and takes off running escolating the situation. The second he refused to respond and took off, he became a perp.

IF HE WAS RUNNING FROM A COP-MAYBE. But he wasn't. Taking off running from someone you percieve as athreat to your safety falls flatly in the "DE-ESCALATION" category......

It is documented this young man was on the phone and told his girlfriend he was concerned about fatty following him. That fact alone justifies him running from him, and that in itself is de-escalation, because he is FLEEING THE SITUATION. How do you not see this?

 

[Bosco Warden]

Why didnt the OP post the damn article?

I cant get the page to load. wtf.

 

[angelatc]

What the hell does that even mean, if Trayvon had been a women?!? Why? Totally irrelevant.

Well, no, it wasn't irrelevant in the context of life experiences. And I am not wrong. If Martin had been a 17 year old girl who ran, we would all know she ran because she was afraid of being raped or worse. I see no reason that we should hold male children to a different standard, hence my John Wayne Gacy reference.

I have two kids - one of whom happens to be a 17 year old male. If a strange man was following him around the neighborhood, I hope he would do as he's been taught and run.

Kids are taught that from toddlerhood. Both boys and girls. Nobody is ever taught that if a stranger approaches you and asks you a question, you should immediately defer to him and answer all his questions.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

IF HE WAS RUNNING FROM A COP-MAYBE. But he wasn't. Taking off running falls flatly in the "DE-ESCALATION" category......

It is documented this young man was on the phone and told his girlfriend he was concerned about fatty following him. That fact alone justifies him running from him, and that in itself is de-escalation, because he is FLEEING THE SITUATION. How do you not see this?

Zimmerman was on the call to the 911 operator and gave a description of Martin to the police right before he took off running without answering the non threatening question from the neighborhood watch. That is what made him a perp and considering that when the police arrived, they didn't even arrest Zimmerman clearly indicates that the police considered Martin a PERP! Deal with it.

 

[coastie]

Well, no, it wasn't irrelevant in the context of life experiences.

I have two kids - one of whom happens to be a 17 year old male. If a strange man was following him around the neighborhood, I hope he would do as we've taught him and run.

B,b,bb,b,butttt, no, he's supposed to square off and fight like a man galdiator-style!


/s

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

Well, no, it wasn't irrelevant in the context of life experiences.

I have two kids - one of whom happens to be a 17 year old male. If a strange man was following him around the neighborhood, I hope he would do as we've taught him and run.

Kids are taught that from toddlerhood.

Yes, it is completely irrelevant. IF Martin had wings and could fly, he would. He did not, so that makes it irrelevant. Now if Martin had a vagina?, I'm not sure how that is any more relevant.

 

[MelissaWV]

Zimmerman was on the call to the 911 operator and gave a description of Martin to the police right before he took off running without answering the non threatening question from the neighborhood watch. That is what made him a perp and considering that when the police arrived, they didn't even arrest Zimmerman clearly indicates that the police considered Martin a PERP! Deal with it.

I'm sorry, but which is it? Martin ran off like a perp, or Martin beat the crap out of Zimmerman and "jumped" him without provocation? Those seem like markedly different actions to be taken just minutes apart.

 

[coastie]

Zimmerman was on the call to the 911 operator and gave a description of Martin to the police right before he took off running without answering the non threatening question from the neighborhood watch. That is what made him a perp and considering that when the police arrived, they didn't even arrest Zimmerman clearly indicates that the police considered Martin a PERP! Deal with it.

Show me where you are "REQUIRED"(as you infer) to answering a neighborhood watch's questions....you are not. Perp is short for perpetrator...perptrated what, walking to a store whilst on a cell phone?

The police didn't arrest him because they mis-applied Florida Law. Period.

Deal with that.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

B,b,bb,b,butttt, no, he's supposed to square off and fight like a man galdiator-style!


/s

Actually, how about answering the question that Zimmerman asked him in a non threatening way which can be heard on the 911 call. Vicious racist criminals don't normally confront the people they're about to slaughter in a racist fit of anger with a cell phine connected to the police department. Just like innocent people don't take off running when asked a non threatening question like, what are you doing here, answer, watching the all star game at my dads house, situation averted.

 

[angelatc]

Yes, it is completely irrelevant. IF Martin had wings and could fly, he would. He did not, so that makes it irrelevant. Now if Martin had a vagina?, I'm not sure how that is any more relevant.

If Martin had been a 17 year old girl who ran, we would all know she ran because she was afraid of being raped or worse. I see no reason that we should hold male children to a different standard, hence my John Wayne Gacy reference.

I have two kids - one of whom happens to be a 17 year old male. If a strange man was following him around the neighborhood, I hope he would do as he's been taught and run.

Kids are taught that from toddlerhood. Both boys and girls. Nobody is ever taught that if a stranger approaches you and asks you a question, you should immediately defer to him and answer all his questions.