**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

RonPaulMall said:
Actually, from the facts presented thus far, it is absolutely a textbook case of self defense. In what crazy world is going outside to ask a suspicious lurker who he is and what he's doing constitute "instigating an altercation"? This is a free country. You, I, or George Zimmerman have every right to follow a stranger in public, and when we catch up to them and get their attention, ask them any question we so desire. And likewise, the person we are talking to has every right to tell us to "fuck off", and walk away. What they don't have the right to do is physically assault us. And that is what Trayvon Martin is accused of doing, and why according to the SYG law this was a justifiable homicide.
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but he has NO right to shoot another human being especially if he knowingly put himself into a dangerous position
 
Anti Federalist said:
The last line of the article:



No it is not, based on the facts so far presented.

Self defense with deadly force is not justified, legally, if you provoke or prolong or instigate an altercation that otherwise would not have happened had you not done so.

"Stand your ground" laws do not change that.
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Agreed.
 
Zimmerman was also 5’9 and out of shape. I’m pretty sure many tubby thirty-year-olds wouldn’t do well against a fit, 6’3, 17-year-old.
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Yeah... Zimmerman having 100 pounds on this kid just puts him at a disadvantage. I'll take a fit 17 year old kid over an overweight Zimmerman anytime.

The big point here is that Zimmerman escalated the situation until he had to kill someone (which should draw charges) or he just killed someone for no good reason. (which should draw charges.)
 
No matter what circumstantial evidence people provide (the shooter was white, the victim was black; the victim was suspended from school, etc.) about this shooting, we probably don't have all of the relevant facts!! That being the case, isn't it a good idea to withhold judgement on both the shooter and the victim?
 
Dunno who to believe, but it doesn't seem like we know the entire story.

But I hate when the media always blames racism for any conflict involving a black man and white man.
 
MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2 said:
Yeah... Zimmerman having 100 pounds on this kid just puts him at a disadvantage. I'll take a fit 17 year old kid over an overweight Zimmerman anytime.

The big point here is that Zimmerman escalated the situation until he had to kill someone (which should draw charges) or he just killed someone for no good reason. (which should draw charges.)
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6'3 140 lbs is pretty darned scrawny.
 
AuH20 said:
Anyone else notice the way the media has dressed up the entire narrative?

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See that isn't a current picture of Trayvon but rather this is:

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But obviously that photo doesn't generate the same sympathy as the one at the top. The media is rotten to the core and that's not to say that Zimmerman may have not committed a serious crime. But it's interesting to see how they craft a narrative which suits the agenda they are pushing.
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Not much difference in either pictures to me. Still looks like a kid. Well to be p.c... a young adult.
 
This zimmerman dude shoulda never called the cops if he wanted to go around killing people. that's the lesson to take away here.
 
Anti Federalist said:
The media is now throwing this phrase around, which I do not ever recall reading before.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...oting-friendbre82o0fc-20120325,0,148228.story

Ya know, I started this thread half tongue in cheek.

But, keeping mind that most of the MSM is government owned, I'm beginning to think that this might very well be true, that the whole thing has been blown out of the water to get the Afghan killings off the front page.
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If RPFs, social media sites, media are any indication then job well done.
 
Oh good another thread on this.

1. You are taking it as a given that Trayvon initiated physical contact (no, the "witness" does not describe this, but only that there was a time where Martin was atop Zimmerman and winning the fight... not that Trayvon necessarily started it).

2. You are leaving out the part that, while Zimmerman had a bloody nose, Trayvon had a bullet hole. That's kind of important when you're comparing injuries.

3. It is interesting to read that last line. No one would help him, but yet the very witness so many cite as showing that Martin initiated hostilities... says that he did hear calls for help, did tell the two of them to stop, that he was calling 9-1-1. Zimmerman seems to say that no one was helping him.

4. A ten-day suspension from school that was characterized as being utterly unrelated to violent acts.

It is odd that this "comparison" leaves out the other calls Zimmerman has made in the past (though I'd also like to know how many led to arrests, etc.). It also leaves out anything about his past in general. It seeks to swap the photos, though what I see isn't some thug... I see a really way too skinny guy showing off his teeth and flexing for some gals on FB. I also see a really REALLY old photo of Zimmerman, which I guess is supposed to get me to vote for him for Prom King.

Why old photos of either person is supposed to detract from the known facts, or keep the investigation from seeking for additional information, is beyond me.
 
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