**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[Brian4Liberty]

Seriously. The story now is that Martin jumped Zimmerman from behind, knocked him to the ground (but on his back, because evidence shows that his back was wet and grass-stained). There is no report of a corresponding injury from behind, rather a broken nose and a laceration of some sort to the back of his head.

So these are some astounding gymnastics, here.

FOX news has claimed that an unnamed Police source said that he was "cold-cocked" from behind. They had no other details. Don't you believe a Police source?

I wonder if any of those homes had video surveillance going?

 

[coastie]

"Escalating the situation" is neither here nor there. Zimmerman is only guilty of a crime if he committed an "unlawful act" prior to the shooting. So far there has been zero evidence introduced to suggest an unlawful act.

Escalting the situation is EVERYTHING here. Have you even read the law?

 

[RonPaulMall]

So no one wants to respond as to how someone jumped/cold-cocked from behind landed on their back with no injuries consistent with being tackled from behind?

Your side is the one that traffics in rumors and innuendo. I've never heard anyone with knowledge of the facts of the case suggesting some one was "cold cocked from behind".

 

[angelatc]

Same repsonse to you ... YA mean him getting in his car and being jumped, right ??
That's what you're now refering to as engagement ... Isn't it ?
6 witnesses have stated this.

Why are you having such a difficult time realizing that the initial engagement was broken off, and the man who shot, was jumped ?

For the same reason you're having such a difficult time realizing that the initial engagement was broken off when the man who ended up shot, was stalked.

 

[MelissaWV]

FOX news has claimed that an unnamed Police source said that he was "cold-cocked" from behind. They had no other details. Don't you believe a Police source?

I wonder if any of those homes had video surveillance going?

The more I think about it, the less this makes any sense.

He was not only tackled/cold-cocked from behind (leaving no injury), but he must've either rolled without getting his clothing dirty, or landed on his back, then proceeded to fight or call for help or whatever while struggling to get his weapon out. In close quarters, I would have expected it to be a combination of Stand Your Ground and accidental discharge of a firearm, since the two were supposedly that close, and they were struggling for the gun. That's not what's being said.

 

[jmdrake]

Thanks for the straw man. Have you people even read about the case? No is alleging you are allowed to follow somebody, then gun them down in cold blood. Stand Your Ground applies to situations of self defense. Zimmerman and Martin got in to a fight. Zimmerman claims Martin started the fight. Under Florida law, that would mean the shooting was a justifiable use of force and no crime was committed.

I take it you haven't actually read the text of the stand your ground law.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Here's where you are getting it wrong.

1) A claim by person A that person B started the fight isn't enough. If it is then anyone who wants to can kill anyone else and claim that person started the fight. How to assess that claim? Have a trial!
2) Zimmerman has to prove that he reasonably thought he was in danger of death or serious bodily harm. Trayvon was unarmed. Were Trayvon's fists "deadly weapons"? Arguable I suppose. How to assess that for sure? Have a trial.
3) Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon after police told him not to. Does that make his (Zimmerman's) actions unlawful? That's open to question. How to answer that question? Have a trial!

If the Florida "stand your ground law" is to be interpreted the way you claim it is, then it should be repealed.

 

[MelissaWV]

Your side is the one that traffics in rumors and innuendo. I've never heard anyone with knowledge of the facts of the case suggesting some one was "cold cocked from behind".

That is why I also used the word "jumped," which I have seen used quite repeatedly. You have also stated he was attacked while walking back to his car. Or is it now contended that he was walking towards his car and Martin jumped up from next to the car to punch Zimmerman in the nose?

 

[angelatc]

"Escalating the situation" is neither here nor there.

That's not true. His CCW permit contains that clause. ANd last time I checked, stalking is illegal.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Escalting the situation is EVERYTHING here. Have you even read the law?

I've quoted the law in its entirety.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

If Martin attacked Zimmerman, as Zimmerman says, then no crime was committed (other than the one committed by Martin, who can't be prosecuted on account of being dead).

 

[Anti Federalist]

Fuck, what I've been saying for the last 15 pages...wait till you see their responses to your response, AF(I've said the same shit numerous times in this thread). Welcome to the shit show...

Oh I can imagine.

I would have done just what I said I was going to do right from the get go and stay the hell out of these threads all together.

But, I carry a sidearm, lots of people here do as well, and the disinformation I've seen thrown about will land people in prison if they follow it.

Just like my constant preaching about STFU when questioned by cops, my hope is that the information I'm posting, which is straight from the State of Florida's web page on CCW and SYG, will make people aware of what the law is, and keep a fellow patriot out of prison, instead of having them do something stupid like follow after somebody and then have to use deadly force.

 

[coastie]

And I'll say it, once again-I would've done the same thing Zimmerman did-IF that's all that happened. But it was not.

Zimmerman's gun is the only reason he was so bold as to confront the young man, as shown by his pussy history of calling the cops evreytime the wind blew in a different direction without first notifying him.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Which is probably why there's a grand jury convening on April 10th.

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So no one wants to respond as to how someone jumped/cold-cocked from behind landed on their back with no injuries consistent with being tackled from behind?

As I said, "cold-cocked" was a term used on FOX, with no other details. Being punched in the back of the head does not necessarily mean you will be knocked to the ground by it.

 

[moo]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/fort-lauderdale/os-george-zimmerman-domestic-violence-20120321,0,3584370.story

reports have been released that zimmerman likes to hit women too.

 

[coastie]

I've quoted the law in its entirety.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

If Martin attacked Zimmerman, as Zimmerman says, then no crime was committed (other than the one committed by Martin, who can't be prosecuted on account of being dead).

It's entirety? That's a helluva lot shorter than what I had to go over when i got my CCW here.

And again, you ignore what happened before, and start at the fight/shooting.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I've quoted the law in its entirety.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

If Martin attacked Zimmerman, as Zimmerman says, then no crime was committed (other than the one committed by Martin, who can't be prosecuted on account of being dead).

If he followed after him, then he does not have that legal protection.

 

[azxd]

I think the fact that Martin is dead clearly proves that Zimmerman's decision to get out of the car escalated the situation. The fact that he chased the kid means he intended to escalate the situation.

Present your position to tthe Florida DA ... I doubt it will carry much weight, but ya never know.

 

[angelatc]

Which is probably why there's a grand jury convening on April 10th.

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So no one wants to respond as to how someone jumped/cold-cocked from behind landed on their back with no injuries consistent with being tackled from behind?

Weebles wobble but they don't fall down?

 

[Anti Federalist]

It's entirety? That's a helluva lot shorter than what I had to go over when i got my CCW here.

It's not, he's hand picking a part of it and disregarding the rest and if you follow just that and use it to justify a deadly force incident, in Florida, you will more than likely go to jail.

 

[MelissaWV]

As I said, "cold-cocked" was a term used on FOX, with no other details. Being punched in the back of the head does not necessarily mean you will be knocked to the ground by it.

But the guy was walking back to his car ... ??? ... on the ground on his back. So he got punched, then turned around, and then got knocked to the ground? It really doesn't make any sense.

 

[azxd]

Which is probably why there's a grand jury convening on April 10th.

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So no one wants to respond as to how someone jumped/cold-cocked from behind landed on their back with no injuries consistent with being tackled from behind?

Strange things happen in life ... Think about it.