**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[coastie]

Why, certainly the cops knew that, right?

They should....

 

[angelatc]

The law says "you may not exit your car?"

It says you have an obligation not to escalate a situation. I think it's quite reasonable to conclude that exiting the car was escalating the situation. The situation would not exist if Zimmerman had minded his own damned business.

 

[phill4paul]

Zimmerman was questioned and told his story that night...the only one I think being coached is Trayvon's girlfriend...

Zimmerman did not tell 'his' story that night. He was peppered with questions by a narcotics detective. Questions can lead a witness.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

Based on the witness details, it appears it was self-defense, but he used excessive force, which may lead to an appropriate manslaughter charge.

That would have to be proven in a court of law and against the eye witness accounts at the scene. It is presumptuous to say he used excessive force.

 

[eduardo89]

It says you have an obligation not to escalate a situation. I think it's quite reasonable to conclude that exiting the car was escalating the situation. The situation would not exist if Zimmerman had minded his own damned business.

I think Martin escalated the situation by running. And no, he didn't have to "mind his own business". If my neighbourhood had a problem with break ins and other crime, I would want to know what some unknown suspicious fellow was doing, especially if he ran off when I asked him.

Anyway, this thread bores me. I honestly couldn't care less about what happened.

 

[specsaregood]

How about nobody gets banned cause banning people is gay and counter productive.

For the record, I don't want anybody banned -- we've had enough of that lately. My comment was meant to be a put yourself in another's shoes type comment. I would never harm somebody that did not harm/attempt to harm me first. I think the kid was well within his rights to run away and the guy that killed him should have a jury trial. It concerns me that you think somebody has a right to hunt down others and put them in a situation where one gets killed.

 

[angelatc]

Zimmerman was questioned and told his story that night...the only one I think being coached is Trayvon's girlfriend...

You know, referring to George Zimmerman by his last name, while using Trayvon Martin's first name is going to be perceived as racist. Look up newspaper articles from the 50's and 60's. They were written just like that. I am not saying you're a racist, or even that you're the only one in the thread that's doing it, but if you were out in the real world.....

As far as his girlfriend getting coached - how did they manage to coach a dead kid to make a cell phone call?

 

[angelatc]

I think Martin escalated the situation by running. And no, he didn't have to "mind his own business". If my neighbourhood had a problem with break ins and other crime, I would want to know what some unknown suspicious fellow was doing, especially if he ran off when I asked him.

Anyway, this thread bores me. I honestly couldn't care less about what happened.

Wait until a stranger pulls up in a car and talks to one of your kids. You'll see it differently then. Especially if you have a teenager at home. They're fucking goofy.

You can ask people anything you want to, but if you think they have any obligation to answer you - then you're wrong.

 

[angelatc]

So the other guy can hypothetically threaten my children, (attack me), I respond with a hypothetical acceptance of his threat and then I use a hyperbolic threat(to defend myself) and I should get banned? But he attacked me first, don't I have the right to defend myself? How about nobody gets banned cause banning people is gay and counter productive.

This post only again shows that you clearly have trouble separating fiction from reality. He didn't attack you.

 

[moo]

the only person being coached right now is zimmerman & the people who helped try to cover this case up.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

So says the guy threatening people with murder if they merely walk in his neighborhood.

Stop lying. There is no point in saying that is what I said. It clearly is not and I don't do that. The only person I threatend made a dumb comment about my kids. I live in a great neighborhood that is both peaceful and diverse. We love our small community and we trust each other, but we don't trust you.

 

[hardrightedge]

I was going to call him Tray...I guess that would've made me extremely racist...

 

[phill4paul]

That would have to be proven in a court of law and against the eye witness accounts at the scene. It is presumptuous to say he used excessive force.

I think that is the point most are trying to make here, TheeJoeGlass. The police department did not charge him after bungling an investigation. It could have been a friend of cop kinda thing since he was a wanna-be. This we will never know. However, we do know that officers at the scene lead witnesses and Zimmermann should have had a toxicology ran on him under Florida CCW laws. There is also an inside source that says a Narcotics detective, rather than a Homicide detective, took Zimmermans statement and lead him with question (This part unsubstantiated).

 

[jmdrake]

Exactly. And he supposedly swung at a bus driver a few days before. This wasn't the meek Steve Urkel type the media has been pushing. Look, I hope the justice system gets this right, whatever decision it arrives at.

Who said anything about Steve Urkel? According to the story all along Trayvon was getting the best of the bully Zimmerman who started the whole mess when Zimmerman punked out and pulled a gun. And yes I'm being colorful with my words, but dead honest at the same time. Never lose site of the fact that Zimmerman was armed, Trayvon was unarmed and Zimmerman started the altercation. Zimmerman should have taken his well deserved butt whupping like a man and gone home.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

This post only again shows that you clearly have trouble separating fiction from reality. He didn't attack you.

Are you serious. Angelatc, anyone on this board can find my address, you can, how on god's green earth is asking someone what they would do if they killed their children not be an attack?

 

[coastie]

I think Martin escalated the situation by running. And no, he didn't have to "mind his own business". If my neighbourhood had a problem with break ins and other crime, I would want to know what some unknown suspicious fellow was doing, especially if he ran off when I asked him.

Anyway, this thread bores me. I honestly couldn't care less about what happened.

And you're thinking wrong-running from this situation is not escalating it, no matter how you try to twist it, and we know that Martin was talking to his girlfriend and scared of the man following him. This means that MARTIN DE-escalated the situation by running from it as he perceived it at the time. Get it now>?

 

[hardrightedge]

Who said anything about Steve Urkel? According to the story all along Trayvon was getting the best of the bully Zimmerman who started the whole mess when Zimmerman punked out and pulled a gun. And yes I'm being colorful with my words, but dead honest at the same time. Never lose site of the fact that Zimmerman was armed, Trayvon was unarmed and Zimmerman started the altercation. Zimmerman should have taken his well deserved butt whupping like a man and gone home.

I agree with this...I don't think a fist fight should end up with someone getting shot...

 

[jmdrake]

That would have to be proven in a court of law and against the eye witness accounts at the scene. It is presumptuous to say he used excessive force.

No it's not! When a prosecutor indicts someone they don't wait until it's been "proven in a court of law" before stating their view of the facts. It kills me how people think statements about criminal cases cannot be made until everything has been "proven in a court of law". Following that line of reasoning no one would ever be prosecuted for anything.

 

[jmdrake]

Based on the witness details, it appears it was self-defense, but he used excessive force, which may lead to an appropriate manslaughter charge.

It is NOT self defense when you started the altercation. If Trayvon had shot Zimmerman that would have been self defense. Zimmerman started the altercation, was losing the fight, and pulled a gun like a punk.

 

[specsaregood]

Are you serious. Angelatc, anyone on this board can find my address, you can, how on god's green earth is asking someone what they would do if they killed their children not be an attack?

Its not an attack, its a question meant to have you look at it from a different point of view. I can see based on your response that you probably would be none to happy and if Zimmerman had killed your kid, it sounds like you would have retaliated in some manner. Even though by your own statements you think Zimmerman was within his rights.