Official Health Care Ruling Thread (Obamacare upheld)

angelatc said:
It's a living document, dontcha know.
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Inkblots said:
"Could care less" is a shortening of the phrase "I could care less, but it would take an effort." Why get peeved at shorthand for a common idiom?
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Because "could care less" is still wrong. That implies that you care.

"Couldn't care less" is more correct. This implies that you have 0 units of care.
 
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What's interesting is that most people don't understand is not that you just have to buy insurance but THEIR insurance. As an example, as a small business owner I carry major medical on my family. I WILL NO LONGER be able to buy my policy. I have to buy their APPROVED policy which provides for expanded coverage that I don't need or want!!!! I'm to stupid to figure out what I need. I'm just a stupid engineer, not a great politician or health care expert.

So where does this logically end?

Let's see, the auto industry is having trouble, we are mandated to buy a new car or pay a tax!
Let's push green technology, you are required to buy solar panels for your house, or pay a tax!
On, and on .......... There is no limit to the federal reach. What have we done.
 
Originally Posted by mport1 View Post
Agreed. Unfortunately many Ron Paul supporters do not see it that way and have a reverence for the Constitution. I think the Constitution is a dangerous document in that it gives the illusion of order/the rule of law and grants unfounded legitimacy to the state.
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DGambler said:
I've made the transition and now support the thinking behind this quote... this ruling did it for me.
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Ditto.
 
Athan said:
We need an "ampero" ammendment to the US Constitution in which a citizen has the ability to individually challenge the unconstitutionality of any law and put some bite into each citizen grievence.
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How would that help? Wouldn't it be the exact same judges' job to decide whether or not a law is constitutional?
 
wjh said:
What's interesting is that most people don't understand is not that you just have to buy insurance but THEIR insurance. As an example, as a small business owner I carry major medical on my family. I WILL NO LONGER be able to buy my policy. I have to buy their APPROVED policy which provides for expanded coverage that I don't need or want!!!! I'm to stupid to figure out what I need. I'm just a stupid engineer, not a great politician or health care expert.

So where does this logically end?

Let's see, the auto industry is having trouble, we are mandated to buy a new car or pay a tax!
Let's push green technology, you are required to buy solar panels for your house, or pay a tax!
On, and on .......... There is no limit to the federal reach. What have we done.
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It doesn't. Welcome to the age of omnipotent government in america.
 
teacherone said:
How can it be a tax if the money goes to a health insurance corporation?

Welcome your new corporate masters citizen!
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How? Fascism is how. And guess what happens when the slightest bit of failure occurs? "Herr [sic] ebil corporations! Herr! Capitalism bad Herr!"
 
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wjh said:
What's interesting is that most people don't understand is not that you just have to buy insurance but THEIR insurance. As an example, as a small business owner I carry major medical on my family. I WILL NO LONGER be able to buy my policy. I have to buy their APPROVED policy which provides for expanded coverage that I don't need or want!!!! I'm to stupid to figure out what I need. I'm just a stupid engineer, not a great politician or health care expert.

So where does this logically end?

Let's see, the auto industry is having trouble, we are mandated to buy a new car or pay a tax!
Let's push green technology, you are required to buy solar panels for your house, or pay a tax!
On, and on .......... There is no limit to the federal reach. What have we done.
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Black market healthcare is coming to a town near you. That's what is going to happen.
 
And now the insurance companies that lobby the hardest will have the IRS backing them?

Wonder how many agents (armed, of course) they'll have to hire.
 
DerailingDaTrain said:
I seriously can't believe this. It's like they don't understand what's constitutional and what isn't.
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More like they don't care. We are their chattel. Now they're being less discrete about it.
 
AuH20 said:
This ruling actually helps folks like Ron and Rand Paul who have been marginalized in the past for overtstating that the government wants to run your life. Well, here it is in no uncertain terms.
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I think you way overestimate the normal person's intelligence. Many will not connect the dots.
 
Red Green said:
On the bright side:

A lot (and I mean a LOT) of non-liberty types hate Obamacare. The USSC has just handed the liberty movement the most ammunition we have had in a long time. Now the liberty movement needs to move for a repeal of the 16th Amendment and require the Federal government to revert to it's historical way of raising funds by apportionment among the states and duties.
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Good idea. Whatever makes the Federal government a servant and not our master.
 
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