Official CNN Tea Party Express Debate Thread

[AuH20]

<<< thinking AuH20 is some kind of plant...

I have 5,000 posts. Is it somehow sacrilegious to point out when Ron blunders?

 

[KingNothing]

There you go again, professing to know what words are best for the liberty movement, just like the fed claims to know how to control inflation or steer the economy. This "I know what Ron Paul should say and how he should say it, and this will tremendously increase his poll numbers by x amount in x amount of time." Puh-lease. Spare me.

Ron's not perfect. He does have faults. It's obvious that he doesn't use buzz-words or follow the recommendations of people like Frank Luntz. I wish he would tie his wonderful message with a slick delivery that plays on the subconscious of the listern.... but he won't. He will just deliver an honest message, supported by logic and built on a foundation off consistency.

He DOES win over undecideds, moderate conservatives, independents, and democrats when he speaks as he did tonight. Nights like tonight... they're what started this whole Revolution!

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I thought Paul getting boo'd was good since it came near the end it will leave an impression. Also, Perry was booed on his big-government record. I think America will realize Paul is right about 9-11. If he can own this issue, it has the potential for even more upswing.

This is a position the candidates will be very wary of imitating - but it will happen.

Did you hear yourself say that? "Paul getting boo'd was a good thing... since it will leave an impression." Reeeeaaalllyy??

 

[Inkblots]

I have 5,000 posts. Is it somehow sacrilegious to point out when Ron blunders?

Of course not. I appreciate your analysis.

 

[Matthew5]

Work, family, community functions. Ron Paul is generally liked, except for his cringe worthy meltdowns, which become seared in the minds of likely votes. Ron Paul is the guy who trips at the 5 yard line with no one around. Near perfect message, truth on his side, great political environment, and he still can't make hay.

No offense, but that's not that wide of a demographic.

If I asked how many people in my circle liked the Philly Eagles NFL team, I'd get a 90% hatred rate. I'm sure they're liked much more nationally than in Dallas, TX.

Sorry, but I wouldn't spout off a claim that RP would poll higher based on what a few friends and family say.

 

[KingNothing]

if Ron Paul hadn't brought up the HPV issue with Perry, would it have been brought up at all?

I really think Ron bringing that up is going to be Perry's downfall. I mean, he was absolutley crushed on all sides for that tonight. It's all anyone is talking about.

Absolutely agree. Paul played Perry like a fiddle, and now everyone else can pile on. When Perry falls and Romney becomes the front runner once again, Paul will do the same. That said, Romney is much more adept at dodging those arrows.

 

[chudrockz]

He's not. Being honest about how an answer plays with the conservative base is a service to the campaign; mindless cheerleading is not.

If the so-called "conservative base" truly are a bunch of sociopathic nutjobs waxing orgasmic over the thought of Palestinian children being slaughtered by a totalitarian regime in Tel Aviv with the American people's money, then FUCK the conservative base.

 

[messana]

I thought Paul getting boo'd was good since it came near the end it will leave an impression. Also, Perry was booed on his big-government record. I think America will realize Paul is right about 9-11. If he can own this issue, it has the potential for even more upswing.

This is a position the candidates will be very wary of imitating - but it will happen.

Ron getting booed is never a good thing and having it near the end of the debate for a lasting impression is even worse. For some, he getting booed will be the highlight of his overall performance.

 

[Chieppa1]

If the so-called "conservative base" truly are a bunch of sociopathic nutjobs waxing orgasmic over the thought of Palestinian children being slaughtered by a totalitarian regime in Tel Aviv with the American people's money, then FUCK the conservative base.

this times a million.

 

[AuH20]

He's not. Being honest about how an answer plays with the conservative base is a service to the campaign; mindless cheerleading is not.

The greatest strength of the RP army is in some respects it's greatest weakness. This strength derived from being the extreme minority sometimes conjures this paranoia in that every dissenting opinion is somehow tied to a more nefarious motive. You can't just disagree with Ron in a civil fashion, but you must be forced to wear the clothes of a bloodthirsty adversary.

 

[KingNothing]

No offense, but that's not that wide of a demographic.

If I asked how many people in my circle liked the Philly Eagles NFL team, I'd get a 90% hatred rate. I'm sure they're liked much more nationally than in Dallas, TX.

Sorry, but I wouldn't spout off a claim that RP would poll higher based on what a few friends and family say.

He's got a point. Ron is not a perfect candidate. But he shouldn't say that Paul can't make hay. This time in 2007, he was polling at 1%. Now he's polling 14% with a serious shot at winning iowa, and possibly NH if he can get enough independents and democrats out to vote.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Of course not. I appreciate your analysis.

I agree with Inkblots on this one.

 

[KingNothing]

Ron getting booed is never a good thing and having it near the end of the debate for a lasting impression is even worse. For some, he getting booed will be the highlight of his overall performance.

Meh. Not many voters watch the debates, and of those, how many do you think actually care about the response of the crowd?

 

[AuH20]

If the so-called "conservative base" truly are a bunch of sociopathic nutjobs waxing orgasmic over the thought of Palestinian children being slaughtered by a totalitarian regime in Tel Aviv with the American people's money, then FUCK the conservative base.

Now you're lashing out like a child. The same twits on the other side deride Ron Paulers as adolescents who just want to get high all day. I hate reading crap like this.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

The GOP sucks but the libertarian party is an utter joke. I don't even think they can collectively agree on what day it is.

Lol, how dare you say such a thing, they try so hard and stuff. If I only retracted my Paul donations and gave it to the LP.. But ya, the LP has been a wash and I'm glad that I gave up on them years ago outside of voting for 'em last time. The highest I'd ever give to an LP prez candidate is like a 100$ but I've dealt a lot more in the gop parade w/ Paul.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

The libertarian movement is a fearsome creature. What's there imprint? 2 to 3 percent nationally? The GOP sucks but the libertarian party is an utter joke. I don't even think they can collectively agree on what day it is.

And I don't see how that was even a response to what I said.

 

[PubliUS_CorneliUS_TacitUS]

+1

I was blown away when I saw that a candidate was telling the truth about how many innocents we have killed. I didn't know any congressman was capable of being that honest.

+1 as well

It was Ron Paul's original response in 2007 about Blowback that got me researching. I doubt that Rudy read his assigned reading but I did and man it opened up my eyes. Then I couldn't get enough RP news. Found LewRockwell and Mises.org and the transformation began.

 

[chudrockz]

Now you're lashing out like a child. The same twits on the other side deride Ron Paulers as adolescents who just want to get high all day. I hate reading crap like this.

If you truly hate reading "crap" such as that Ron Paul's most ardent supporters oppose being forced to pay for mass murder in the Middle East, then there's really no hope for you.

 

[KingNothing]

Ari Fleisher: I still think Jon Huntsman has a shot at this thing

If I'm ron paul, I'm pulling a Carcetti and helping Huntsman stay in the race like Tommy did for Tony Gray.

Huntsman is a guy they need to pull support away from Romney.

 

[specsaregood]

Did you hear yourself say that? "Paul getting boo'd was a good thing... since it will leave an impression." Reeeeaaalllyy??

It can be; because every person sitting at home watching that debate that agreed with Dr. Paul just got booed right along with him. that motivates people. and Dr. paul is in the majority here.