Obama will REQUIRE community service -- PLEASE DIGG

[torchbearer]

$4000 for community services sounds pretty good to me, honestly. But again, like I said before, it's best to wait for all the information is received before a big commotion is made. The website was just launched with some vague plans, come on now.

Everyone becomes a mandatory government employee?
That doesn't sound any better to me.
Its still force, and it still assumes government ownership of persons.

 

[dwdollar]

$4000 for community services sounds pretty good to me, honestly. But again, like I said before, it's best to wait for all the information is received before a big commotion is made. The website was just launched with some vague plans, come on now.

They'll give incentives to make people like you accept it. Then after you're use to it, they'll yank those incentives away. That's how they work. Come on now.

 

[libertarian4321]

Well, here is his plan, via pdf

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

Damn it, stop letting facts get in the way of a good hysterical rant!

This is good info.

Thanks.

 

[TruthAtLast]

Requiring chldren to work where there is no pay? This is getting scary. WTF.

sounds a lot live slave labor, only we aren't in a field.

how long before the moderate Obama drones that pulled the lever for the guy JUST because they hated Bush start scratching their heads saying WTF!?!

It is all good in theory until it comes to their doorstep and effects their lives in a negative way. There's the "CHANGE" bitches! lol

 

[paulitics]

Well, first off, it says a "goal", not a law. That was my point initially, we know NOTHING about the implementation- whether its a "goal" (e.g. like the old "thousand points of light") where the President encourages something, or if its forced by law.

BTW, I LOVE the idea of a $4k tax credit for 100 hours community service- a "credit" is a straight tax reduction (far better than a tax "deduction"). That makes each hour of "community service" worth $40- more than most people make working. Plus, I already do more than that anyway, so for me, this would save $4k in taxes.

I doubt this will fly, though- if they did, too many people would take the credit, and the govt. would lose a ton of tax revenue.

What exactly is community service? Homeland security? The programs may not be in the good samaritan community service we all feel good about, where the contribution comes from the heart and is pure. Have you forgot this is the federal government? Where does this tax credit come from? Thats right, taxes. The people "lose a ton tax revenue", not the govt.

They can hike taxes, or incorporate it into some slick new tax scheme, like a tax on energy.

This is forcing taxpayers to pay for a huge program that will have to be paid back with their labor. This is a bad idea, is extremely unconstitutional, and is textbook fascism.

 

[Zera]

They'll give incentives to make people like you accept it. Then after you're use to it, they'll yank those incentives away. That's how they work. Come on now.

When has something like this happened before for it to be comparable? And people will notice any change in the amount. The GOP has so much hatred for Obama, they'll look for any slip ups and call on them immediately and cause reaction.

 

[Zera]

Well, here is his plan, via pdf

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

I see the word "voluntary" right at the top.

Huh.

 

[Anthony T]

My high school required community service for graduation already and a number of them do already.

ZOMG CONSPIRACY!!!!!

 

[libertarian4321]

Everyone becomes a mandatory government employee?
That doesn't sound any better to me.
Its still force, and it still assumes government ownership of persons.

Okay, folks. Put down the torches and pitchforks for a second and read the web site thomaspaine provided:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

The $4k credit if for college students who do 100 hours community service. Its VOLUNTARY. You want money for college, this is a great way to get it. If not, don't do it.

The HS service program will be a series of guidelines. Nothing "mandatory" here, either. Looks like it will be left up to the school to decide (many schools already do this now, and have for decades).

Also, no "mandatory" service for adults. No labor camps, no conscription, no concentration camps.

The whole thing is voluntary. You can stop with the fantasies of Gulags, slavery, and the end of the world as we know it.

Guess I wasn't so crazy after all for asking you folks to tone down the level of hysteria after all.

I know, I'm no fun...

 

[thomaspaine23]

I see the word "voluntary" right at the top.

Huh.

yeah, funny isn't it... voluntary at the top, but then when you read it:

Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities.

That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months.

So how voluntary will it be? hmmm?

A school gets federal money IF they make their students serve.......

 

[Zera]

yeah, funny isn't it... voluntary at the top, but then when you read it:

Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities.

That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months.

So how voluntary will it be? hmmm?

A school gets federal money IF they make their students serve.......

I'm still confused on how it states that schools won't get federal money without it.

 

[Maverick]

I remember doing community service in high school too, but I'm pretty sure it was something like 10 hours total, and not 50 hours each year.

 

[ihsv]

Our first black president and he decides to bring back slavery. You gotta love the irony.

 

[dwdollar]

If you don't draw a line now, then you will never fight. Your ideas about freedom will change in order to suit the system and save your own hide. What you see as tyranny today will seem like freedom tomorrow. You will be a coward and a slave.

Also, if you are a pacifist, you shouldn't urge people to be calm. Urging someone to be calm, implies that you know when to fight. Obviously, if you are a pacifist, you will never fight no matter the circumstances. It's very misleading.

I'm getting angry, so I better go for now.

 

[qh4dotcom]

If this community service was REQUIRED by Obama, wouldn't we have heard Glenn Beck bashing Obama about it by now?

I get his newsletter just about every weekday...haven't heard him say anything yet.

 

[Thrashertm]

Has anyone looked at his sorry excuse for a civil rights page? http://www.change.gov/agenda/civilrights/

Ron Paul would shake his head.

Wow that is pathetic. Just a bunch of code words for giving handouts to minorities.

 

[tremendoustie]

If you don't draw a line now, then you will never fight. Your ideas about freedom will change in order to suit the system and save your own hide. What you see as tyranny today will seem like freedom tomorrow. You will be a coward and a slave.

Also, if you are a pacifist, you shouldn't urge people to be calm. Urging someone to be calm, implies that you know when to fight. Obviously, if you are a pacifist, you will never fight no matter the circumstances. It's very misleading.

I'm getting angry, so I better go for now.

I'm borderline pacifist, but pacifist does not equal passive. I'm all for civil disobedience, and if they really start forcing servitude, this is a sure as hell good time for it.

Also, sticking a gun to someone else's head, taking money from them, and using that money to dangle a free education in front of you (which most are not in a position to refuse) on condition of servitude, is not materially better than just sticking a gun to your head and getting it over with.

 

[Thrashertm]

Thankee massah obama fo tellin us how ta work!

 

[madRazor]

With things like this, try to remind yourself that if you don't want to do it, then just DON'T DO IT. In this case, the government can't MAKE you work.

Sure, they'll incentive-ize the crap out of it, push, prod, bribe, punish, whatever. The government is good at depriving you of stuff, telling you what you can't do. But your LABOR is not theirs to take (though they sure feel entitled to taking that which we exchange for it). It's impossible for them to take your labor. In the end, it's always you who must give it. When it comes down to it, to pick up the shovel or not, it's YOUR CHOICE.

Regarding your labor, you always have a choice. It may not be a happy choice, but it's a choice.

And like a couple of you have said already, if they miscalculate and overshoot with this, the whole thing could work to our advantage.

 

[fr33domfightr]

This whole *required* service thing gives me the heebie jeebies! I've heard of it in recent years being a requirement to graduate from High School. I'm getting the feeling this needs to be stopped now before it gets ingrained in kids minds that this is the norm.

I do like the idea of students volunteering to tutor other students (so everyone does better), plus it would help bring up overall test scores for a school. I feel that type of volunteering should be rewarded as well. It should never be required.

As I recall, somewhere along the line, school (K-12) stopped being fun and just got very boring. It would be nice if somehow students would be allowed to find creative ways to make school a fun place to learn again.


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