Obama wants to draft inner city (black) kids.

[BlackTerrel]

But please don't turn this into a "oh those poor black people" thread. Obama didn't mention blacks or "inner city" anything. He says that "more urban" youth will need to be sent off to defend Israel's freedom.

Hmmmm I missed where he said that. Could you show me the quote.

You can be sure that Obama favors blacks over other ethnic groups as he is permitted under our politically correct standards.

Oh yeah you can be sure because Ryan says so.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Wake up and smell the tyranny. Obama wants a draft. And he wants more inner city kids killing and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan.

How is he going to do this? It takes a lot of work. You think we're just going to wake up one day and there will be a draft? He'd need to push laws, convince the American people, talk about it.

We don't just go from one obscure quote that you're misinterpreting to all 18 year olds report to a military base tomorrow.

 

[specsaregood]

The Supreme Court's 1918 decision that federal conscription is constitutional was explicitly based on the contemporary practice in the German Empire, Austrian Empire, Russian Empire, Turkish Empire, British Empire, Japanese Empire....Do you see a theme?

From The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution (pg. 156)

Just figured that was worth posting, again. Empires require it to continue to function. Obviously it is on its way here to the US again.

 

[devil21]

Why do we keep repaeting the mistakes of the past?

Because it works! TPTB pass the game plan down from generation to generation. That same plan has been working very well for thousands of years. Why would they ever change it? They just pull the same crap on different generations. I mean, how many people today treat Hitler's Germany, Stalin's USSR and Mussolini's Italy like it's "ancient history" when it really wasn't long ago at all? Humans aren't any different and haven't wised up and thus continue to fall for the same stupid tricks over and over.

I have no doubt whatsoever that a draft will try to be pushed through. The way things are going, WWIII is in the cards and a draft MUST be instituted to fight such a global war. Obama makes a perfect spokesman for bringing in more blacks and hispanics to the armed services. They must change the perception of war from a "white man's war", which is mostly what Iraq and Afghanistan are viewed as. Remember, some kind of mandatory service announcement coming on September 12. Im sure the timing is just a coincidence

How is he going to do this? It takes a lot of work. You think we're just going to wake up one day and there will be a draft? He'd need to push laws, convince the American people, talk about it.

We don't just go from one obscure quote that you're misinterpreting to all 18 year olds report to a military base tomorrow.

Not really. Another 9/11 type incident would push all that through just like it did with the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, Warner Defense Act, etc. How much debate, persuasion, and talking was necessary after 9/11? NONE. Whenever they need egregious laws like that, or a draft in this case, there's got to be some sort of catalyst that prevents any discussion. Consider how hard it's proving to get this health care nonsense passed. Good luck with a draft buddy! The only way is another episode that shuts off people's brains.

 

[Working Poor]

I think if Obama tries to push a draft thru that it will be met with more resistance than the health care bill.

Even if a FF were to happen I think it might just wake more people up. They are almost all awake now.

I have 3 kids of drafting age and pushing for a draft would get me out protesting big time. I am sure a lot of other parents feel the same way. My oldest daughter has already served.

 

[Dunedain]

Hmmmm I missed where he said that. Could you show me the quote.

And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some.”

Oh yeah you can be sure [Obama is racist] because Ryan says so.

He went to an equivalent of a Christian Identify church for blacks - that's enough for me. Blacks in this country are generally racist for voting for him based on skin color (at his heigh a 97% approval rating?!?!?)...I would hope all that racial favoritism would not be misplaced. Luckily, for blacks i'm sure Obama has not dreams of his father these days but dreams of "Affirmative Action Organ Transplants" and other great communist that will put "whitey" (or what Michelle Obama now refers to people of European decent) out of his middle class highhorse. Or his racist black minister at the racist black church he went to. Or his wife who stated in her thesis at Princeton that she favors her own race.

once again, the title of this post is very misleading at best.

 

[jmdrake]

How is he going to do this? It takes a lot of work. You think we're just going to wake up one day and there will be a draft? He'd need to push laws, convince the American people, talk about it.

We don't just go from one obscure quote that you're misinterpreting to all 18 year olds report to a military base tomorrow.

It's not "one obscure quote"! And I'm NOT misrepresenting it! Did you watch the clip from the Tim Russert interview? Obama said clearly and unequivicolly that he wanted mandatory military or civilian service for young people. Why can't you just admit the truth to yourself? We have two different incidents of Obama speaking on record in favor of a draft. We have Charlie Rangel still introducing legislation for a draft. We have Obama supporters like Susan Eisenhower advocating for a draft. So a draft is very much on the table.

How is he going to accomplish this? Maybe he won't be able to. He tried to push for universal healthcare and that stalled. Still most Americans were against all of the bailouts from the TARP under Bush to the auto bailouts under Obama, yet they passed. Cap and trade passed the house over opposition of a majority of Americans although it hasn't gotten through the senate yet.

It's totally naive to think that we shouldn't start opposing something until it has a realistic chance of passing. Four years ago cap and trade never would have gotten through the house, but now it did. And YOU need to quit misrepresenting what I'm saying! I'm not saying that a draft will happen tomorrow! I'm saying that Obama is ON RECORD (two times now) supporting mandatory military service! The first quote may have been debatable BUT THE SECOND QUOTE IS NOT SUBJECT TO HONEST DEBATE! He said it. He meant it. Get over it. Prepare to fight it. Or prepare to suffer the consequences years down the road. I'm a parent of elementary school aged boys. I'm not as much worried about what might happen to 18 year olds tomorrow as I am what is being set up to happen to them 5 to 10 years from now. We didn't take the cap and trade threat as seriously as we should have and look where it got us!

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[jmdrake]

He went to an equivalent of a Christian Identify church for blacks - that's enough for me. Blacks in this country are generally racist for voting for him based on skin color (at his heigh a 97% approval rating?!?!?)...I would hope all that racial favoritism would not be misplaced. Luckily, for blacks i'm sure Obama has not dreams of his father these days but dreams of "Affirmative Action Organ Transplants" and other great communist that will put "whitey" (or what Michelle Obama now refers to people of European decent) out of his middle class highhorse. Or his racist black minister at the racist black church he went to. Or his wife who stated in her thesis at Princeton that she favors her own race.

White Bill Clinton had a 90+% approval rating among blacks just like Bush maintained a high approval rating among Christian conservative whites. What was their excuse?

once again, the title of this post is very misleading at best.

No. It's dead on accurate. He's said twice in response to a question about a draft that he wanted an "obligation of service" and later that he favored mandatory military service. I'm not sure if it's the "mandatory" or the "military" part that you don't understand. He said he wanted more people from the urban centers as opposed to just the rural areas serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. Anyone with half a brain knows "urban" is a proxy for "inner city" or "black". Just Google "urban music" or "urban fashion" and see what comes up. Yes there are blacks that live in rural areas and a lot of whites that live in urban areas, but there are currently a larger concentration of blacks in urban areas than rural. That's just a fact. And if you do the numbers enlistment among blacks from all areas is down. That's not due to a lack of patriotism but to a lack of trust in what is seen as "Bush's wars".

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[jmdrake]

Because it works! TPTB pass the game plan down from generation to generation. That same plan has been working very well for thousands of years. Why would they ever change it? They just pull the same crap on different generations. I mean, how many people today treat Hitler's Germany, Stalin's USSR and Mussolini's Italy like it's "ancient history" when it really wasn't long ago at all? Humans aren't any different and haven't wised up and thus continue to fall for the same stupid tricks over and over.

I have no doubt whatsoever that a draft will try to be pushed through. The way things are going, WWIII is in the cards and a draft MUST be instituted to fight such a global war. Obama makes a perfect spokesman for bringing in more blacks and hispanics to the armed services. They must change the perception of war from a "white man's war", which is mostly what Iraq and Afghanistan are viewed as. Remember, some kind of mandatory service announcement coming on September 12. Im sure the timing is just a coincidence

Not really. Another 9/11 type incident would push all that through just like it did with the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, Warner Defense Act, etc. How much debate, persuasion, and talking was necessary after 9/11? NONE. Whenever they need egregious laws like that, or a draft in this case, there's got to be some sort of catalyst that prevents any discussion. Consider how hard it's proving to get this health care nonsense passed. Good luck with a draft buddy! The only way is another episode that shuts off people's brains.

Excellent points! And remember Clinton tried to pass the equivalent of the Patriot Act years before! Also for years Americans were asked the same question in polls. "Will you give up liberty for security?" It wasn't until 9/11 that a majority said yes! That's why it's important to get the word out NOW that Obama (and others) have openly supported a draft. Or if some think the word "draft" is misleading use the term "mandatory military service" even though that's the same thing.

 

[jmdrake]

I think if Obama tries to push a draft thru that it will be met with more resistance than the health care bill.

Even if a FF were to happen I think it might just wake more people up. They are almost all awake now.

I have 3 kids of drafting age and pushing for a draft would get me out protesting big time. I am sure a lot of other parents feel the same way. My oldest daughter has already served.

I agree. It would be difficult for him to get it through. That doesn't mean he wouldn't try it. Unfortunately the health care "reform" fight isn't over. The new proposal would create the insurance equivalent of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We all know how that turned out.

My hope is that the more this information gets out the less likely it is that we'll ever have to face this fight. I wish every time Obama spoke in front of young people someone would stand up and ask him "What do you mean that you favor mandatory military or civilian service for young people?" and "Why did you say that more people from urban areas need to be fighting in Iraq if you think the Iraq war was a mistake?"

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[RoyalShock]

Obama knows that the inner-city provides him with a concentrated population of left-thinking youth that will follow him wherever he leads, even if it goes against their beliefs. As it stands, a military comprised mostly of right-thinking individuals isn't going to be nearly as cooperative when it's time to be deployed under the UN banner to accomplish some globalist goals. Get them in there ASAP so when the time comes maybe some of them will also be officers.

Purely speculation on my part.

 

[BlackTerrel]

He went to an equivalent of a Christian Identify church for blacks - that's enough for me. Blacks in this country are generally racist for voting for him based on skin color (at his heigh a 97% approval rating?!?!?)...I would hope all that racial favoritism would not be misplaced. Luckily, for blacks i'm sure Obama has not dreams of his father these days but dreams of "Affirmative Action Organ Transplants" and other great communist that will put "whitey" (or what Michelle Obama now refers to people of European decent) out of his middle class highhorse.

Of course. We want your organs Ryan. We almost would've gotten away with it too - but you're too smart for our evil black plan.

 

[Dunedain]

Of course. We want your organs Ryan. We almost would've gotten away with it too - but you're too smart for our evil black plan.

I don't fear a plan created by blacks. I fear a plan created by someone that would favor blacks and other minorities at the expense of the rest of the population; something that Obama would have the audacity to push. Kind of like the bill he is supporting...the one to give preference to medical schools that favor graduation and enrollment of non-whites?

I guess you aren't familiar with the push to get, specifically, non-whites more organ transplants. This is a pretty tame one, but all you need to do is search.
http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/ytrre/article/PIIS0955470X02800040/abstract
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/77878.php

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

This is very distressing.

NO DRAFT. PERIOD.

I've been thinking that with the economy tanking, more young people will turn to the military, and that will keep the need for a draft at bay.

Anyone know what the overall numbers of recruits is looking like of late?

They are already doing this. I know 2 people who have joined the military because of job situations, when they wouldn't have thought twice about joining before. Navy is paying about 10k for people to join now. Thats a lot of money to some kid straight out of highschool, much less to anyone else that cant find work and has bills piling up.

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

Of course. We want your organs Ryan. We almost would've gotten away with it too - but you're too smart for our evil black plan.

lol

 

[jmdrake]

I don't fear a plan created by blacks. I fear a plan created by someone that would favor blacks and other minorities at the expense of the rest of the population; something that Obama would have the audacity to push. Kind of like the bill he is supporting...the one to give preference to medical schools that favor graduation and enrollment of non-whites?

I guess you aren't familiar with the push to get, specifically, non-whites more organ transplants. This is a pretty tame one, but all you need to do is search.
http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/ytrre/article/PIIS0955470X02800040/abstract
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/77878.php

Quick question. Did you even understand the research you were reading? It doesn't seem like it.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I don't fear a plan created by blacks. I fear a plan created by someone that would favor blacks and other minorities at the expense of the rest of the population; something that Obama would have the audacity to push. Kind of like the bill he is supporting...the one to give preference to medical schools that favor graduation and enrollment of non-whites?

I guess you aren't familiar with the push to get, specifically, non-whites more organ transplants. This is a pretty tame one, but all you need to do is search.
http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/ytrre/article/PIIS0955470X02800040/abstract
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/77878.php

What are you arguing? You're saying that Obama is going to take organs from white people and give them to non-whites? Is this really what you are saying or am I misreading you?

 

[Dunedain]

What are you arguing? You're saying that Obama is going to take organs from white people and give them to non-whites? Is this really what you are saying or am I misreading you?

I don't mean the living whites would be harvested for their organs. I would argue that affirmative action in health care would mean minorities would be given preference for scarce medical services...and nothing is more scarce then an organ transplant. Medical science would focus on "non-inclusive" diseases (diseases that disporportionally affect African Americans for example). Diseases like Cystic Fibrosis that are considered "too white" would be discriminated against under and affirmative action based system of distribution of services.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=912b7a91-272e-47ac-b851-3b650f0b1a79

Because governments are not beholden to having to turn a profit they can focus on their "social mission". I find that quite frightening.

 

[jmdrake]

I don't mean the living whites would be harvested for their organs. I would argue that affirmative action in health care would mean minorities would be given preference for scarce medical services...and nothing is more scarce then an organ transplant. Medical science would focus on "non-inclusive" diseases (diseases that disporportionally affect African Americans for example). Diseases like Cystic Fibrosis that are considered "too white" would be discriminated against under and affirmative action based system of distribution of services.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=912b7a91-272e-47ac-b851-3b650f0b1a79

Because governments are not beholden to having to turn a profit they can focus on their "social mission". I find that quite frightening.

Just like I thought. You didn't understand the articles you read. None had anything to do with taking "whites only" organs and giving them to blacks. (Or whatever the hell it is you mistakenly think happens in the transplant world.) The first article was specifically asking how to get more minorities to donate organs. Please read:

"There is a greater number of minorities who need organ transplants, but there is a lack of donors. We need more organs than anyone, but we are the last ones to donate them, especially in the African-American community. We are in the most need for kidney transplants, but we are the last to give them. I'm not sure if it's because of superstition, or religion or something else, but it needs to be fixed," stated Reed.

Why you think it's racist for black people to try to get other black people to become organ donors so that more black people can have organs is beyond me. And white people complain about blacks "playing the race card".

The second article is more tricky. It talked about moving from a system based on "waiting time" for organs to one based on "life years after transplant". While race was originally one of the variables used to calculate potential life years after transplant (and that would have HURT potential black recipients) it was later dropped. So in the final analsys the system is color blind. I wasn't able to read the article at the link you first gave because it had to be purchased, but here's a power point on the same paper.

http://www.unos.org/SharedContentDocuments/KidneyAllocationSlides_Reduced.pdf

Honestly, do you think the white people that control Obama (and control the congress and all of the medical institutions involved) favor blacks over whites? Get real!

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[BlackTerrel]

I don't mean the living whites would be harvested for their organs. I would argue that affirmative action in health care would mean minorities would be given preference for scarce medical services...and nothing is more scarce then an organ transplant. Medical science would focus on "non-inclusive" diseases (diseases that disporportionally affect African Americans for example). Diseases like Cystic Fibrosis that are considered "too white" would be discriminated against under and affirmative action based system of distribution of services.

Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table.