Obama to take oath on Abe Lincoln's Bible

[devil21]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Lincoln was deist?

Define "deist". Never heard that term before.

 

[nate895]

Define "deist". Never heard that term before.

Deist is the belief in an abstract God that made the universe, but doesn't interfere in its workings. Contrast with theism, which believes that a God (or Gods) made the universe and are active participants in the events that go on in the universe.

 

[James Madison]

Define "deist". Never heard that term before.

Hmm. A deist is someone who identifies that while a supreme being (i.e. God) does exist, it doesn't take an active role in the affairs of people. Since they would likely reject the heaven-hell dichotomy, their view of "god" isn't the Christian or Muslim equivalent. A lot of the founders were deists including: Jefferson (wrote the Declaration of Independence), Madison (wrote US Constiution), and Paine (author of Common Sense). If you wanted to learn more about deism, you should read "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine.

 

[devil21]

Interesting responses. I've always equated people that don't believe in the "invisible hand of God" stuff as atheists, albeit not very dedicated ones. I'm not sure about your characterization of Lincoln as one (deist) but could be.

Bunch of Lincoln's quotes on religion so draw your own conclusion:
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/lincoln.htm

 

[nate895]

A lot of the founders were deists including: Jefferson (wrote the Declaration of Independence), Madison (wrote US Constiution), and Paine (author of Common Sense). If you wanted to learn more about deism, you should read "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine.

Go to off topic where the rumors as far as Jefferson are concerned are shown to be false.

 

[James Madison]

Go to off topic where the rumors as far as Jefferson are concerned are shown to be false.

Really? I'll have to check that out.

 

[anaconda]

Lincoln and Obama both defile the Constitution. Perfect choice, Barky...

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

At least he's essentially telling us the truth about his intentions, that he plans to follow in the footsteps of Abraham Lincoln and completely ignore the Constitution.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

"Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people
designed to make of their victory,
there would have been no surrender at
Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me.
Had I foreseen these results of subjugation,
I would have preferred to die at Appomattox
with my brave men, my sword in my right hand." - Robert E. Lee to Governor Fletcher S. Stockdale (D-Texas), 1870

 

[nobody's_hero]

"Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people
designed to make of their victory,
there would have been no surrender at
Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me.
Had I foreseen these results of subjugation,
I would have preferred to die at Appomattox
with my brave men, my sword in my right hand." - Robert E. Lee to Governor Fletcher S. Stockdale (D-Texas), 1870

Was he referring to Sherman's 'march to the sea' here?

I think the South blundered lots of opportunities by not burning everything in their wake when they moved up to Pennsylvania. They fought too much like gentlemen. The nature of the Confederate fighting was too defensive in general.

Then Sherman came down to Georgia, and didn't play fair at all. Burning wheat fields, cotton fields, ripping up rails, burning Atlanta.

I think that might be what Lee was referring to. I don't know enough about the man though—might be interesting to read about.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

by:

Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
Source:

Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

Racist tool

How ironic can it get?

Abe Lincoln: American history's most beloved white supremacist.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

It wasn't just Sherman that took on tactics of total war towards the people of the south. It was pretty widespread. I would suspect that what he had to say there had little, if anything, to do with Sherman or any other atrocities during war time. I would rather suspect that he was making reference to reconstruction and the general behavior of the federal government after the hostilities had ceased.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

A black man taking the Presidential Oath of Office on the bible of an historical atheist, after hearing a Christian-Zionist give the inaugural prayer.

I think I've seen everything now.

I'm not sure you could exactly call him an atheist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Religious_and_philosophical_beliefs

There seems to be a lot of strange, revisionist history going on trying to make Lincoln into a hero, an atheist and even a homosexual.

 

[torchbearer]

I'm not sure you could exactly call him an atheist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Religious_and_philosophical_beliefs

There seems to be a lot of strange, revisionist history going on trying to make Lincoln into a hero, an atheist and even a homosexual.

Let's just say he was very intimate with a couple of his male friends... doesn't mean he had penetration...
I don't know how men related to each other at that time.. but had a friend of mine wrote some of those same letters to me... i'd have to sit down and have a serious talk with them.

 

[nate895]

Was he referring to Sherman's 'march to the sea' here?

I think the South blundered lots of opportunities by not burning everything in their wake when they moved up to Pennsylvania. They fought too much like gentlemen. The nature of the Confederate fighting was too defensive in general.

Then Sherman came down to Georgia, and didn't play fair at all. Burning wheat fields, cotton fields, ripping up rails, burning Atlanta.

I think that might be what Lee was referring to. I don't know enough about the man though—might be interesting to read about.

That kind of warfare hadn't even been thought of before Sherman. That was something that barbarians did a thousand years or more ago, not something that civilized people did to each other. What has been the result of Sherman's march? Nothing but death and destruction for millions of innocents in wars that cover the entirety of the twenty first century. War went from an army-on-army gentleman's fight, to a population-on-population barbaric show of force.

Edit: I don't believe he was referring the march to the sea, Lee knew about that I presume when he surrendered. I believe the horrors of reconstruction where the South was subjugated, elections were rigged, and racial hatred started to occur for the first time on a wide scale in the South were what Lee was referring to.

 

[nodope0695]

You mean not on a Koran? Hmmm....Muslams believe it is a death sentance to leave the faith, therefore will a contract be placed on Barack Hussain Obama's head by fundamental Islamists? He was a Muslam when he went to school in Indonesia. He's takin' a helluva risk, wouldn't you think?

 

[torchbearer]

You mean not on a Koran? Hmmm....Muslams believe it is a death sentance to leave the faith, therefore will a contract be placed on Barack Hussain Obama's head by fundamental Islamists? He was a Muslam when he went to school in Indonesia. He's takin' a helluva risk, wouldn't you think?

It's ok for an interloper to pretend as a cover... as long as his intentions is to furthur Jihad against infedels.

 

[BlackTerrel]

The war of nothern aggression.

The fate of our over-bearing central government was sealed in 1865.
The south should have fought until there were no humans left standing.

Great idea. They should've killed millions more for the great Southern cause! What was the great Southern cause again?

 

[BlackTerrel]

You mean not on a Koran? Hmmm....Muslams believe it is a death sentance to leave the faith, therefore will a contract be placed on Barack Hussain Obama's head by fundamental Islamists? He was a Muslam when he went to school in Indonesia. He's takin' a helluva risk, wouldn't you think?

First of all Obama was never a Muslim.

Second of all, you don't think millions of Muslims want Bush dead. It's not that easy...

 

[nate895]

Great idea. They should've killed millions more for the great Southern cause! What was the great Southern cause again?

Small government with low taxes.

Tell me: why would group of people looking to defend slavery forever more elect a gradualist abolitionist as their President? How would they raise an army of 1,000,000 (including 90,000-200,000 blacks) men, almost every single last one of them is worse off because of slavery? Also, why would they be looking to defend slavery from a group of people whose plank on slavery is:

4. That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the states, and especially the right of each state, to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depends, and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any state or territory, no matter under what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes.