Obama to Begin Pushing Amnesty Bill!

[Kludge]

Why won't you address my main point: by granting amnesty to these law-breakers, it will create tens of millions of new pro-welfare voters, and kill ANY chance we have of shrinking the government and getting back to constitutional government. Does reality matter AT ALL to you?????

Their potential actions are of no concern to us, and we certainly don't have justification to deny them opportunity merely because they may not vote how we'd like them to. It's detrimental to our cause, but they shouldn't be hampered just because we've been failing to reform Welfare. Maybe if the GOP weren't known for it's hostility toward Latinos, there wouldn't be so much of a problem.

 

[He Who Pawns]

Their potential actions are of no concern to us, and we certainly don't have justification to deny them opportunity merely because they may not vote how we'd like them to. It's detrimental to our cause, but they shouldn't be hampered just because we've been failing to reform Welfare. Maybe if the GOP weren't known for it's hostility toward Latinos, there wouldn't be so much of a problem.

So, it's settled, reality is meaningless to you.

 

[Kludge]

So, it's settled, reality is meaningless to you.

Horseshit.

These people have feelings. They exist in reality. Our Founders stole this land from the Indians they raped and massacred, and you now tell me that we have the right to deny others the ability to immigrate because they may not vote how we'd like?

Should we send the Blacks back to Africa because they tend to vote Democrat, as well? It may not be as politically popular since they haven't broken any unjust laws, but it's something to keep us busy, at least.

 

[qh4dotcom]

I just love it when people who have never had to live with illegal immigration pass judgement. Your first two responses don't even apply to what I said.

I would let the Obama sheeple in your area deal with the illegal immigration problem (they voted for it, it's their problem) and I'd move away to another state where there aren't many illegal immigrants.

 

[Deborah K]

Horseshit.

These people have feelings. They exist in reality. Our Founders stole this land from the Indians they raped and massacred, and you now tell me that we have the right to deny others the ability to immigrate because they may not vote how we'd like?

Should we send the Blacks back to Africa because they tend to vote Democrat, as well? It may not be as politically popular, but it's something to keep us busy, at least.

Kludge, we're talking about illegal immigration NOT legal immigration. If we are a country governed by the rule of law then what really, is your issue? All countries have borders and immigration laws. That's the way it is. Violating those laws is NOT the answer.

 

[Deborah K]

I would let the Obama sheeple in your area deal with the illegal immigration problem (they voted for it, it's their problem) and I'd move away to another state where there aren't many illegal immigrants.

I might as well move out of the country then.

 

[qh4dotcom]

I might as well move out of the country then.

You don't have to...I haven't heard of Hawaii and Alaska having problems with illegal immigration.

 

[Kludge]

Kludge, we're talking about illegal immigration NOT legal immigration. If we are a country governed by the rule of law then what really, is your issue? All countries have borders and immigration laws. That's the way it is. Violating those laws is NOT the answer.

Illegal immigration is a symptom of outrageous immigration laws which effectively prevent unskilled laborers (who aren't related to a U.S. citizen or have other special circumstances) from immigrating into the United States.

Even skilled workers are subject to a backlog equating to a 5 year or greater wait.

Edit: A link to show some immigration waits: http://www.litwinlaw.com/CM/Articles/How-Long-Immigrate.asp

Reason Magazine published a more comprehensive study with graphics, but I don't think it will be credible enough in the eyes of those who oppose immigration reform.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Kludge, we're talking about illegal immigration NOT legal immigration. If we are a country governed by the rule of law then what really, is your issue? All countries have borders and immigration laws. That's the way it is. Violating those laws is NOT the answer.

The problem is that US embassies have a reputation of denying visas and poor immigrants can't afford the trip to where there is one plus the $100+ visa fee especially when they know they will be rejected.

make it easier and you'll see less illegal immigration.

 

[Deborah K]

The problem is that US embassies have a reputation of denying visas and poor immigrants can't afford the trip to where there is one plus the $100+ visa fee especially when they know they will be rejected.

make it easier and you'll see less illegal immigration.

Agreed. But not if they are going to come over here and sponge off of our social services the way they do now. A lot of things need to be re-vamped NOT just INS.

Edit: Do you know what they pay the coyotes to sneak them across? Around $2400.00 each. And many times the women get raped.

 

[constituent]

you would add about 20 million new voters to the USA...
If you think we have an out-of-control welfare state now, wait until those 20 million Dems are added to the voter rolls.

20 million? got source?

 

[constituent]

They kill approximately 25 Americans a day.

"They" (collectivist) kill approx 25 a day? Got source?

 

[constituent]

And many times the women get raped.

nice appeal to emotion. great propaganda technique.

women get raped everyday and it has nothing to do w/ coyotes or "illegal" immigration.

Edit: Do you know what they pay the coyotes to sneak them across? Around $2400.00 each.

real progress always begins with the entrepreneurs of the world.

 

[constituent]

Oh really?? Tell that to the ranchers that have to put up with this crap when illegals cross over!!

Then perhaps the ranchers should be better stewards of their property, you know, build their own big fence and all, patrol the land themselves or hire others to do the same.

I believe your desire is to militarize the border and confiscate land for a federal wall though, no?

 

[constituent]

So if drug-dealers kill people, we should keep drugs illegal?

It's a separate conversation, but DebK does believe drugs should be kept illegal.

 

[constituent]

Americans can't cross into Mexico that way either. If we did, the Federallies would throw us in jail.

That's an outright lie. Growing up, the family that lived next door owned adjacent properties on both sides of the border (the land claim predated the American theft of Texas and the illegitimate treaty of guadalupe hidalgo) and we crossed the rio grande all the time to hunt, fish, trap, etc.

In fact, we still do.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Agreed. But not if they are going to come over here and sponge off of our social services the way they do now. A lot of things need to be re-vamped NOT just INS.

Edit: Do you know what they pay the coyotes to sneak them across? Around $2400.00 each. And many times the women get raped.

Not all of them use coyotes...and sometimes the coyotes accept promises to be paid with their future US wages....but yes, it's a risk.

Where do the women get raped? In the middle of the desert?

 

[Deborah K]

That's an outright lie. Growing up, the family that lived next door owned adjacent properties on both sides of the border (the land claim predated the American theft of Texas and the illegitimate treaty of guadalupe hidalgo) and we crossed the rio grande all the time to hunt, fish, trap, etc.

In fact, we still do.

Here we go with the diatribe..... I DARE you to try and cross the border from California into Mexico NOT at a legal crossing point! You don't know what the fuck you are talking about!!!!

 

[constituent]

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about!!!!

(lol, check out that mouth on that one)

No, no you don't.

So anyway, about that "kill 25 americans a day" nonsense, got source?

I DARE you to try and cross the border from California into Mexico NOT at a legal crossing point!

Why would I? I live in Texas.

 

[Deborah K]

Not all of them use coyotes...and sometimes the coyotes accept promises to be paid with their future US wages....but yes, it's a risk.

Where do the women get raped? In the middle of the desert?

In the desert, yes. And sometimes in the encampments. Google immigrants and rape.