Obama releases birth certificate!

[Zippyjuan]

I don't know if it is worth further responce. Those not convinced by the long form they have been saying would be the ultimate proof to them after so long will not change their minds by further arguing. As predicted, it was declared a forgery by those who choose not to believe Obama was born in the United States just like nearly all of the rest of us. Is that a terrible thing? Or is it more comforting that he is "different"? "Not like us"? "Not qualified to be president?"

 

[idirtify]

Trying to use reason with "birthers" is like trying to reason with a rabid dog- it just won't work.

Hopefully, the rational folks among us can focus on important issues. You know, little things like getting Ron Paul elected rather than worrying about nutty conspiracy theories about why Obama is a Kenyan Indonesian atheist secret Muslim with a Christian pastor problem.

Maybe, just maybe, we should focus on issues that matter, like the budge deficit, the health care mess, the 3 wars, excessive government regulation, etc.

Not only do you anti-birthers ridicule we who question authority and say we are wasting our time, but you “waste” large amounts of your time coming to the threads that are obviously about the issue and posting nearly the same amount of characters. If we birthers are wasting our time here, then aren’t your posts guilty of worse? I mean at least we are posing legitimate questions to authority. But your efforts don’t seem to be based in any principle of individual liberty. IOW the worst that can happen to our efforts is that something may eventually be provided like it was today, but your efforts appear to be an absolute waste of time. I don’t understand what you expect to accomplish by ridiculing those who keep the government under a microscope. Isn’t that what the people are supposed to do? I mean please feel free to focus on the issues you listed. They are certainly good ones. So why are you here focusing on insulting us? Just think: if you wasted less time making personal remarks in threads you don’t like on issues you think are unimportant, you could focus on your choices even more.

 

[idirtify]

I think the terms "sense" and "birther" are mutually exclusive.

It would be good if you stopped posting mass insults.

 

[kahless]

Not only do you anti-birthers ridicule we who question authority and say we are wasting our time, but you “waste” large amounts of your time coming to the threads that are obviously about the issue and posting nearly the same amount of characters. If we birthers are wasting our time here, then aren’t your posts guilty of worse? I mean at least we are posing legitimate questions to authority. But your efforts don’t seem to be based in any principle of individual liberty. IOW the worst that can happen to our efforts is that something may eventually be provided like it was today, but your efforts appear to be an absolute waste of time. I don’t understand what you expect to accomplish by ridiculing those who keep the government under a microscope. Isn’t that what the people are supposed to do? I mean please feel free to focus on the issues you listed. They are certainly good ones. So why are you here focusing on insulting us? Just think: if you wasted less time making personal remarks in threads you don’t like on issues you think are unimportant, you could focus on your choices even more.

^Which leads people like me to believe that there is something to the birth certificate issue that the media and people are going over the top in their attacks against birthers in an effort to shutdown the discussion.

 

[BlackTerrel]

BT adding nothing to the discussion....shocker.

Why don't you address some of the dozen or so issues with the copied document that people legitimately question?

Because it never friggin ends. The more evidence thrown at you the more BS you throw back. At some point enough is enough.

 

[idirtify]

Hmm. So since politicians have often ignored the constitution, then it’s silly for some of them to try to respect/enforce a part of it, especially if it’s a part that you feel is “an obscure point that doesn’t mean anything”. That does not seem like a reasonable position for anyone interested in individual liberty. Maybe this guy is campaigning to be someone who will clarify for us which parts of the constitution really mean something.

 

[idirtify]

This birther shit is the most useless and pointless debate.

Then it sounds like you won’t be dropping in anymore to waste any more time participating in the debate. Great!

 

[idirtify]

Birthers not convinced... shocker.

I am convinced if Doc Brown came in a time machine and took these people to Hawaii the day Obama was born and they sat in the delivery room and saw everything live they would still say it was a fake.

If there is an African American reading this who is about the same age and born in Hawaii, please go get your BC and see if it lists your race as “African”.

 

[idirtify]

God, I hate conspiracy theories. No amount of evidence can ever convince the believers that they are wrong. They will claim that you are brainwashed, sheep, close minded, whatever, but they are the ones who are close minded and stubborn about hearing the other side.

So you don’t think the questions are legitimate, or you disagree with the concept of questioning authority, or you are just here to insult a lot of people who are trying to keep the government in check?

 

[Bruno]

Because it never friggin ends. The more evidence thrown at you the more BS you throw back. At some point enough is enough.

See, there you go! Enough is not enough for you, apparently. You'll post that same blather a dozen times but not spend the same amount of energy to put together a single rebuttal to a single claim. Your true colors show through. Move along instead of continually saying the same thing.

 

[idirtify]

"I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. According to the web site the name didn't change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children's Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn't created until 1978?"

Looking good there Bruno.

Apparently Zippyjuan and BlackTerrel missed your excellent research, so I’ll add to it.

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http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children's hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox's gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital opened.

The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children.
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[idirtify]

Because it never friggin ends. The more evidence thrown at you the more BS you throw back. At some point enough is enough.

It’s good that you respect the concept of “evidence”. See Bruno’s discovery above. You see “evidence” is like “theories”; once an old one is “trumped” (pun intended) by a new one, the old one is no longer valid. I’d say the “evidence” you are talking about barely lasted 24 hours.

 

[SilentBull]

I read somewhere that Kenya was not "Kenya" until 1963, when it became independent. Can anyone verify this? If this is true, then this would be another interesting mistake, besides the hospital name.

 

[HarryBrowneLives]

Frankly, Obama is the only one playing games. The states will likely proceed with their legislation requiring proof of natural-born citizenship which should include not only the candidate, but both parents as well being born in one of the 50 states. The states would be wise to ignore the 14th amendment ...

Why didn't the Obama produce his alleged birth certificate years ago? Because, HE is the one playing games....

WTF? The 14th Amedment is the law of the land and ratified by the states. If a law ignoring the 14th ever got through a state legislature (which I doubt) it would thrown out by a federal court anyway. Both parents being citizens won't work becuase of current law and case law on the subject. OK, Obama's a bad ... really bad President. He provided is birth certificate. Some of you guys want to find some kind of weird technicality in the Vain hope of a 1 to ten million chance that he might be impeached or something. Like saying Tiger Woods won The Masters by 3 strokes, but it wasn't valid because he didn't dot the I on his signed name of the scorecard. Geees ...

 

[pcosmar]

Curiouser and curiouser.

He has a birth certificate from a hospital that did not exist at the time.

That makes the other aspects of this document even more questionable.

 

[Stary Hickory]

"I just checked the official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and according to the information there, the name of the hospital at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children's Hospital. According to the web site the name didn't change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children's Hospital merged with Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn't created until 1978?"

Ok just once I would like to see someone explain why you found this. Instead of name calling, insulting and acting shamefully....logically respond to why this is the way it is. Why does the certificate have a hospital listed that could not possibly have existed under that name back then? How is this possible. Dont ignore the post and call me a name, don't demand it be moved to hot topics, logically sit down and explain to me how this is possible?

I can't figure out why really. Makes no sense. There may well be a valid explanation. But it escapes me.

 

[Stary Hickory]

Curiouser and curiouser.

He has a birth certificate from a hospital that did not exist at the time.

That makes the other aspects of this document even more questionable.

Lord ya THINK?

I dunno man, what in the hell? LOL really? I am not invested in this either way, but let me tell you I would not buy a used car from Obama.

 

[idirtify]

OK, Obama's a bad ... really bad President. He provided is birth certificate. Some of you guys want to find some kind of weird technicality in the Vain hope of a 1 to ten million chance that he might be impeached or something. Like saying Tiger Woods won The Masters by 3 strokes, but it wasn't valid because he didn't dot the I on his signed name of the scorecard. Geees ...

I don’t think forgetting to dot an “i” invalidates anything, but I do think listing the birthplace as a hospital name that was not even imagined for another 15 years invalidates a birth certificate. Don’t you? Or are you not really here to discuss such questions (beyond calling them “technicalities”)?

 

[Stary Hickory]

Curiouser and curiouser.

He has a birth certificate from a hospital that did not exist at the time.

That makes the other aspects of this document even more questionable.

Looked into it a bit more, the names they list on their website don't match anything. I think they have called their hospital different generalized names for the public and on official documentation its different. Just saying that is a logical reason why its listed as what it is. Kapiolani Maternity home is the first hospital, where I imagine Obama was born right? That means it might had have an internal name of Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital, or people refered to it as a Maternity home without the Gynecological part attached(not very tasteful to say the whole name).

So I don't think the name of the hospital is an issue. Easy test, get someone else's certificate from that time and look at it.



debunked for sure

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress....d-kapiolani-maternity-gynecological-hospital/

 

[tpreitzel]

WTF? The 14th Amedment is the law of the land and ratified by the states. If a law ignoring the 14th ever got through a state legislature (which I doubt) it would thrown out by a federal court anyway. Both parents being citizens won't work becuase of current law and case law on the subject. OK, Obama's a bad ... really bad President. He provided is birth certificate. Some of you guys want to find some kind of weird technicality in the Vain hope of a 1 to ten million chance that he might be impeached or something. Like saying Tiger Woods won The Masters by 3 strokes, but it wasn't valid because he didn't dot the I on his signed name of the scorecard. Geees ...

LoL .... Yeah, the 13th and 14th amendments were certainly ratified by the states without duress or violation of the US Constitution's original intent, weren't they? /sarcasm ... If the federal government isn't going to play by the rules, i.e. the original intent of the US Constitution, then neither do the states and their people. How do you like anarchy? Let's get the second civil war started so we can finally correct the abuses of the federal government .... I even laugh harder at "case" law based on an unconstitutional amendment... yes, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, because it violates original intent, e.g. a natural-born citizen by the common-law definition MUST be born within one of the 50 states in addition to his or her parents. PERIOD. Lastly, there was a very good reason for this common-law interpretation of natural-born citizen.