Obama releases birth certificate!

[Bruno]

The funny thing is that its overlayed on the same background as the other live birth one. lol

winner winner chicken dinner

 

[bigronaldo]

I believe it was because of her age and something to do with a law that British subject children got their citizenship from their father. Can someone refresh my memory if I'm correct?

Not sure about the age thing, but my sister in law married a German and lives in Germany. They had two kids and both kids have a dual citizenship. I'm not sure what the legal definition of a "natural born citizen" is, but as far as the common use of the terms, they are American citizens. When they are older they have to right to live and work in America without any problems.

I was born in the Netherlands, as my father was in the Air Force there at the time. Both of my parents are American. I'm not sure, but I would hope that I would qualify as a "natural born citizen". I was only there for six months. No memories of it whatsoever.

 

[moostraks]

What I didn't like was the huge hit piece last night on CNN: Anderson Cooper 360, Fareed Zakari, and some black pundit all inciting that Trump is a Racist.

Check out the comments at the HuffPO piece, apparently the racist issue is picking up traction again. This sure seems to be giving Pres. Obama some wind back with his supporters. If I was a supporter of the Pres. I would wonder why he took so long to provide the stupid thing, but most people will just blow it off and would rather tar and feather the other side with racist to overlook that issue. Any non-minority is going to have a problem running against Obama.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Not sure about the age thing, but my sister in law married a German and lives in Germany. They had two kids and both kids have a dual citizenship. I'm not sure what the legal definition of a "natural born citizen" is, but as far as the common use of the terms, they are American citizens. When they are older they have to right to live and work in America without any problems.

I was born in the Netherlands, as my father was in the Air Force there at the time. Both of my parents are American. I'm not sure, but I would hope that I would qualify as a "natural born citizen". I was only there for six months. No memories of it whatsoever.

Read post 64 on this thread.

 

[JK/SEA]

The focus should now be on the typewriter used. Are/will the key strokes match up under forensic scrutiny? Where is it?...who made it?..can there be fingerprints still on the keys verifying who typed the info?....DAMMIT!...FIND ME THAT TYPEWRITER!..

 

[Lucille]

I really hope people will stop talking about that dark day, on which all of our fates were sealed. Forget about the transcripts, too. We already know he's a dumbass. #stupidisasstupiddoes

 

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

This is just stupid.

 

[jmdrake]

Oops. In my haste to make a point I forgot about that.

I think the other part of what I said remains. This talk about dual citizenship, and the citizenship of his father, and all these other things based on later case law, should not affect anything. The meaning of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution is the meaning it had to those who ratified it.

Great. Please enlighten the rest of us as to what that meaning actually was. I assume you read it somewhere? The federalists papers maybe?

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Dis you all miss the 2011 stamp right opn the COPY?!?!!? We want to see an Original not something typed up two days ago

 

[klamath]

I never was a birther but I can say I was starting to have some doubt when the democratic governor of hawaii could not get a copy. It is over as far as I am concerned. On to the real issues.

 

[Sarge]

Was it common to put African as a race on a birth certificate back in 1961? African is not a race? One would think a hospital would know that.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Was it common to put African as a race on a birth certificate back in 1961? African is not a race? One would think a hospital would know that.

I forgot about that. I didn't notice it until you brought it up.

I found a fixed copy:

Got this from wiki:

Census 1960 (Population)
The 1960 Census re-added the word “color” to the racial question, and changed “Indian” to “American Indian”, as well as added Hawaiian, Part-Hawaiian, Aleut, and Eskimo. The Other (print out race) option was removed.

Census 1970 (Population)
This year’s census included “Negro or Black”, re-added Korean and the Other race option. There was a questionnaire that was asked of only a sample of respondents. These questions were as follows:

 

[daviddee]

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[HOLLYWOOD]

Was it common to put African as a race on a birth certificate back in 1961? African is not a race? One would think a hospital would know that.

Anybody know a Black person born in Hawaii that has a copy of the long form to resolve this?

In 1961, wasn't the term NEGRO still used to define a black/african person and on forms? NEGRO is still used throughout the world to define the color "BLACK"

Attending Physician died in 2003
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2003/08/24/news/obits.html

Anyway here's some info: http://jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/2011/04/question-how-did-official-documents.html

and another person born in 1961 @ Kapiolani Hospital: http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/04/fact-check-this-media-reasons-why-obama.html

QUESTION: How Did Official Hawaiian Documents Record the Race of African-Americans 1961?

Posted by Erica

I raise this question because the long-form Certificate of Live Birth released by the White House today describes Obama Sr.'s race as "African." That word is common in today's usage, but because political correctness has renamed many cultural groups over time, was that the designation used for all black babies born at Kapiolani Hospital in the 1960s? Perhaps someone will release their birth certificate from that time as a comparison. In the meantime, I'm still searching for an answer.

Click to enlarge Interestingly, in the September 1968 issue of Ebony Magazine, on page 27, there is an article titled "The Negro In Hawaii". Throughout the article, the author never uses the term African, just "Negro." The article offers a balanced debate about the pros and cons of being a "Negro" in paradise. If black people of the 1960s era referred to themselves as "Negro," did the hospitals record the births of black babies as "Negro?"

Here's an excerpt from the article:

The interviewer asked how they would feel about having a Negro as a co-worker. The answer was unanimous: no problem. When asked how they would feel about a Negro as their immediate supervisor, again the answer was unanimous: no problem.

How they would feel if a Negro bought the house next door? A few had doubts, but again the majority fully accepted the possibility.

But then came the question: how would they feel if their daughter dated a Negro . . . or if she married a Negro. Suddenly the picture changed: the great majority drew the line here. They said, in effect, no dice.

How would they characterize Hawaii's attitude toward the Negro? Prejudiced, unprejudiced or partly prejudiced? They stated unanimously: partly prejudiced.

"People want equality for the Negro," said one, "so long as it doesn't affect them personally."

One local Caucasian believed that Hawaii tolerates the Negro because of the small number living here, but that the state still does not accept them.​

So, if the state didn't accept black people, would it be reasonable to think that they probably listed a black child's race on a birth certificate as "Negro," rather than African?

 

[Diurdi]

I'm so glad Ron Paul didn't get mixed up in this shit.

 

[erowe1]

Great. Please enlighten the rest of us as to what that meaning actually was. I assume you read it somewhere? The federalists papers maybe?

I don't know about the Federalist Papers. But since we're looking for the meaning of a term in English at any given period of time, the first place I would check is the Oxford English Dictionary.

Here's what it says:

natural-born, adj.
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Pronunciation: Brit. /ˌnatʃ(ə)rəlˈbɔːn/ , /ˌnatʃ(ə)rlˌˈbɔːn/ , U.S. /ˈnætʃər(ə)lˈbɔ(ə)rn/ , /ˈnætʃr(ə)lˈbɔ(ə)rn/
Forms: see natural adj. and born adj.
Etymology: < natural adj. + born adj. Compare earlier naturally born adj. at naturally adv. 11a, native-born adj.(Show Less)
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1. Having a specified position, nationality, etc., by birth; native-born. See naturally born adj. at naturally adv. 11a. Cf. also natural adj. 14a.

1583 Execution for Treason (1675) 43 D. Sanders a natural born Subject but an unnatural worn Priest.
1598 W. Phillip tr. J. H. van Linschoten Disc. Voy. E. & W. Indies i. xxix. 53/2 The children of Mestiços are of colour and fashion like the naturall borne Countrimen.
1625 in H. L'Estrange Reign King Charles (1655) 21 Divers of the naturall-born subjects of this Kingdome‥do‥claim precedency of the Peers of this Realm.
1695 Act 7 & 8 Will. III (1696) 478 A Natural born Subject of this Realm‥Who shall be willing to Enter and Register himself for the Service of His Majesty.
1709 Act 7 Anne c. 5 §3 The Children of all natural-born Subjects, born out of the Ligeance of her Majesty‥shall be deemed‥to be natural-born Subjects of this Kingdom.
1776 in T. Jefferson Public Papers 344 All persons who‥propose to reside‥and who shall subscribe the fundamental laws, shall be considered as residents and entitled to all the rights of persons natural born.
1833 Penny Cycl. I. 338/2 It is not true that every person, born out of the dominion of the crown, is therefore an alien; nor is a person born within them necessarily a natural-born subject.
1866 G. Bancroft Hist. U.S. IX. xxvi. 439 Every one who first saw the light on the American soil was a natural-born citizen.
1910 Encycl. Brit. I. 662/2 A natural-born British woman, having become an alien by marriage, and thereafter being a widow, may be rehabilitated under conditions slightly more favourable than are required for naturalization.
1965 New Statesman 30 Apr. 670/2 He proclaims proudly, in a modulated Birmingham accent that makes him sound like a well-bred Australian: ‘I'm a natural born Brummie.’
2001 Hong Kong Imail (Nexis) 23 July, The territory's highest court ruled that only natural-born Hong Kong children were entitled to the right of abode.
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2. Having a specified character or constitution from birth. Cf. born adj. 5b.

1835 J. P. Kennedy Horse-shoe Robinson I. xiii. 251 Wat talks like a natural born fool.
1897 M. Kingsley Trav. W. Afr. 137 The chief being a natural-born idiot, came with two of his head men.
1918 W. Cather My Ántonia iv. iii. 359 Ántonia is a natural-born mother. I wish she could marry and raise a family, but I don't know as there's much chance now.
1958 J. Kerouac On Road 71 Everybody in America is a natural-born thief.
1994 Gazette (Montreal) 5 Nov. j1/4 The authors‥present Trudeau as a natural-born, big ‘L’ Liberal instead of a trendy rich socialist.

Something we need to distinguish, and part of what I was getting at, but didn't say clearly enough, is the difference between the simple basic meaning of the phrase, and the various laws that could affect its practical application in different situations. I think some of the evidence I've noticed people making in this thread, claiming that Obama could not be a "natural born citizen" even though he was a citizen and was born that way confuse those two things.

The basic phrase "natural born citizen" means any citizen who was born a citizen (as opposed to someone who became a citizen later through some act of naturalization). There may have been a law somewhere at some time that said that a person was a citizen at birth only if their father was a citizen. Under that law, Obama would not have been a citizen at birth, and thus would not have been a natural born citizen. But under the 14th Amendment, Obama has been a citizen since birth (and thus a natural born citizen, according to the meaning that phrase has had since well before the ratification of the Constitution) since he was born here and subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.

However, I grant that if it is the case that the Federalist Papers do use the phrase and do clearly mean something different by it than someone who has been a citizen since their birth, that would change things. That usage, even if unusual, would stand a good chance of being how it was understood by those who ratified the Constitution and would serve as more important evidence of that than the quotations adduced in OED. I'm not familiar enough with the Federalist Papers to say if that's the case.

 

[Immortal Technique]

Lmao

 

[qh4dotcom]

I'm so glad Ron Paul didn't get mixed up in this shit.

"It should be pursued. We should know the truth and we should follow the rule, we should follow the law, we should follow what the
Constitution says about who is qualified to be President. So, I am very open-minded about looking at all of that."
- Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQ3kO9xzcs#t=1m30s

 

[eduardo89]

I guess this is what Trump's investigators found in Hawaii....?

Anyway, real or fake, showing the birth certificate doesn't mean anything. He's president and what we need to focus on is getting him out of the White House and getting Ron Paul in.

On a side note, give me a typewriter, the right kind of paper, and a bit of time and I'll make you an exact copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate. This proves nothing, but that's besides the point and just a distraction issue.