Obama launches CHANGE.GOV

[eOs]

Obama recently changed the "agenda" page. No longer does it list anything as comprehensive as it once did. The whole page was scrapped for a broad general statement saying Obama will change things.

 

[SnappleLlama]

Obama recently changed the "agenda" page. No longer does it list anything as comprehensive as it once did. The whole page was scrapped for a broad general statement saying Obama will change things.

And you know what? His supporters will love it! The more general, the better!

:bunchies::bunchies::bunchies:

 

[mczerone]

The complete Agenda Page:

The Agenda

President-Elect Obama and Vice President-Elect Biden have developed innovative approaches to challenge the status quo in Washington and to bring about the kind of change America needs.

The Obama Administration has a comprehensive and detailed agenda to carry out its policies. The principal priorities of the Obama Administration include: a plan to revive the economy, to fix our health care, education, and social security systems, to define a clear path to energy independence, to end the war in Iraq responsibly and finish our mission in Afghanistan, and to work with our allies to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, among many other domestic and foreign policy objectives.

Wasn't there something about "transparency" up there before? This single paragraph sure is transparent!

For how bad Bush was, think about how fast we'll go down the road to ruin with somebody competent at the helm.

 

[eOs]

I was going to start documenting the website too, looks like I'm too late.

 

[Expatriate]

Oh my oh my oh my

http://www.change.gov/agenda/economy/

This is bad people. Bad. http://www.change.gov/agenda/civilrights/

http://www.change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy/

Did anyone save those pages? I'd really like to read them to get an idea of what's coming but Obama took them down already.

Obama and Biden will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama and Biden will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama-Biden proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

How do "pre-filled tax forms" work exactly? I thought the reason it was possible for people to cheat on their taxes at all was because the IRS doesn't know EVERY LITTLE THING about your life and your possessions?

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

How do "pre-filled tax forms" work exactly? I thought the reason it was possible for people to cheat on their taxes at all was because the IRS doesn't know EVERY LITTLE THING about your life and your possessions?

They will just start rounding up.

 

[smithtg]

Did anyone save those pages? I'd really like to read them to get an idea of what's coming but Obama took them down already.



How do "pre-filled tax forms" work exactly? I thought the reason it was possible for people to cheat on their taxes at all was because the IRS doesn't know EVERY LITTLE THING about your life and your possessions?

creepy the shit is taken off the website already. Probably trolls on here working with O's handlers

 

[mczerone]

Now that Change.gov has been thoroughly cleaned of any 'offensive' policies, CNN has decided that it's okay to run a story proclaiming Obama the Master of the internet and promoting the site, even saying "it's a little thin on details."

Good thing all the CNN viewers didn't have to read any actual policy positions, they'd probably be overwhelmed with confusion.

 

[undergroundrr]

http://change.gov/americaserves has been changed to take out the word "require" as applied to community service for students.

In light of this, it's advisable to go with the assumption that citizens will be "required" to carry out any and all of the Obama/Biden/Emanuel proposals with unquestioning obedience.

 

[Elwar]

the obama forum dot com

 

[jenb1978]

Did anyone save those pages? I'd really like to read them to get an idea of what's coming but Obama took them down already.

http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/obamaurbanpolicy.pdf

 

[JenH88]

Ya know.. I noticed the pull down 'agenda' menu gone yesterday- and after the fiasco of changing around words with the 'voluntary service' I half assumed it would be back all edited today..

it's still GONE.. all the policy specifics, GONE.. "not found" messages for all the addresses still in my browser from just a few days ago.. as if the rhetoric used in those policy 'agenda' pages weren't scary enough to begin with, hiding it all just shows how much it scared some other people as well- enough for them to take it all down..

 

[Expatriate]

http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/obamaurbanpolicy.pdf

Thanks a lot Jen!

 

[intelliot]

Why did they pull everything off the site?

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

Man after reading this thread I need to pop a bar of Xanex. Peeps think Bush is scary. Obama is worse!

 

[Expatriate]

http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/obamaurbanpolicy.pdf

From the above which has since been removed from BO's site:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on
foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

How do you make a gun childproof? Is he going where I think he's going with this?

 

[JenH88]

I had wondered if he would try to make it so that guns can not be legally owned in households with children.. in the cities anyways.. it would be somewhere I could see him starting for sure.. he's been pretty clear so far that he's trying to make all/most gun sales go through the system, so they'd have records for it all...

 

[Expatriate]

I had wondered if he would try to make it so that guns can not be legally owned in households with children.. in the cities anyways.. it would be somewhere I could see him starting for sure.. he's been pretty clear so far that he's trying to make all/most gun sales go through the system, so they'd have records for it all...

That would be nice, so people with kids couldn't even attempt to protect them from home invaders. Of course irresponsible parents sometimes leave loaded guns in reach of kids and tragedies happen, but that doesn't justify taking away all parents' rights.

He did say "child proof" though, which reminds me of this dumb game someone sent me once:
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/humor/flash/clinton_movie.asp
That's why I posted that picture.

The concept has been tested for police officers before, but it was determined that fingerprint identification, keycodes, and radio activation etc. made the gun too likely to fail in a life-and-death situation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Gun#Criticism

Another thing he could be trying to do is force all guns to have something like this, which I still think is a bad idea:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/750506.stm

If guns are advertised as "childproof", one problem could be that some parents might assume that is 100% true and leave them in reach of children. Some kids figure out how to open "childproof" containers from their friends, I'm sure they could figure out the guns as well, especially if it was designed to be "easy" for an adult to open in a life/death situation.

Bottom line: There's no substitute, in my opinion, for responsible parents. If parents are dumb enough to leave loaded guns in reach of their unsupervised kids, especially without training them in gun safety, I doubt the government can do anything to help them.

He did mention the "closing the gun show loophole" which probably means he wants to make private sale of guns illegal or subject to the FBI NICS record system.

 

[Josh_LA]

can't wait until they launch abortion.gov, war.gov, Israel.gov

 

[jrkotrla]

Did anyone save those pages? I'd really like to read them to get an idea of what's coming but Obama took them down already.

yup. Got the whole website here. You can download it as a zip archive (css apparently didn't translate well...) and individual pages (again, the text is there. it does not look pretty though) of the "agenda" are here.

some things are just too scary to not record. if only to say. Yup, I saw that