Obama And Guns

[Doktor_Jeep]

I refuse to fall into this trap that we have to hold our nose and vote for McCain because Obama will take our guns.

That worked for Bush, didn't it?

The Bush that inflated the size of the BATF threefold and brought us the PATRIOT act and Military Commissions Act, along with other grave violations.

So I got mind-fucked once and I won't let it happen again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Check McCain's record and you will see he is against gun ownership but hey I got something else for you. Check the Youtubes from the WSRP convention in Spokane and watch the McCain people fight us on gun right for veterans.

No, Obama won't take our guns, or will want to no more or less than some other member of the CFR picked republicrat duopoly.


He can TRY to take our guns, as McCain would. The difference is that if Obama does it, we will at least have people crying foul where if McCain does it, the same people who would cry fould if Obama did would be telling people like us "what are you, some kind of conspiracy nut? McCain is not anti gun, he's a republican".


At this point, after being taxed, robbed in the nomination process, relegated, marginalized in the political process, and finally, raped by Wall Street with the fat end of a baseball bat (no lube either), either candidate would-be dicatator trying to take guns would be comparable to the British marching on Concord.

And that day I welcome. Bring it. For having done all else, there is yet one more thing to do.

 

[agentl074]

What is alarming is the fact that Obamination wants to ban all .308 and .223 rounds. He is a lawyer by the way - and he is a professional manipulator as well as an expert on putting fine print into documents.

 

[Kade]

What is alarming is the fact that Obamination wants to ban all .308 and .223 rounds. He is a lawyer by the way - and he is a professional manipulator as well as an expert on putting fine print into documents.

What the hell is happening here? Are we really this off the wall this week?

If they ever take anything away from anyone, it should be the computers of idiots. Too bad I'm too stubbornly principled to allow it... This is reaching intolerable.

Obama's only official stance:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.


John McCain also stresses making permanent the assault weapons ban.

/you lose.

 

[Pericles]

What the hell is happening here? Are we really this off the wall this week?

If they ever take anything away from anyone, it should be the computers of idiots. Too bad I'm too stubbornly principled to allow it... This is reaching intolerable.

Obama's only official stance:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.


John McCain also stresses making permanent the assault weapons ban.

/you lose.

Care to revise and extend your remarks or step away from your keyboard? Or, you can correct the links below.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm

Comapre what they say with what they do.

 

[Time for Change]

Kade...you're out of control...chill.

You are obviously NOT a true believer in restoring our nation to the founding principles; otherwise, you’d be opposed to unconstitutional federal regulation.

What you don't seem to grasp is "Shall not be infringed"

Any sort of regulation only has an effect on the law abiding citizen and is prohibited by the constitution.

Codification of the right to keep and bear arms into the Bill of Rights was influenced by a fear that the federal government would disarm the people in order to impose rule through a standing army or select militia, since history had shown the way tyrants eliminated resistance to suppression of political opponents was simply to take away the people's arms and make it an offense for people to keep them

A criminal will simply ignore the law...just as the old assault weapon ban proved.
That old ban simply kept the honest people from obtaining what the criminals had plenty of.

Here is a little reading for you regarding the Tiahrt Amendment http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=208

That amendment poses no restriction to law enforcement officials, it simply keeps data private and out of the hands of the gun grabbers.

The gun show loophole is a media created myth. Pure BS.
Making guns childproof is not feasible...make the owner accountable if they do not secure their firearms and educate their own kids.
If one forces their way past the security measures then the owner is off the hook.

Childproofing a gun (i.e. complicated locking mechanisms or disassembly) is a sure way to make certain that if you need one it will not be usable as a means of self preservation and adds cost to the manufacturers which, increases the cost to the purchaser.

Oh wait...that's right...we don't want anyone to purchase them in the first place because if homeowners are armed and legally protected for defending their families it makes the criminal's chosen line of work too risky...cant' have that now can we.

Fucking liberal panty waist crybabies gotta protect those crook's rights...damn the law abiding tax payer who should just roll over and give their possessions to these scumbags that refuse to contribute anything to society; yet, mysteriously benefit from the liberal machine quite nicely.

Some history?
[QUOTE: WIKIPEDIA ]

Anti-Federalist Patrick Henry during the opening debates of the Virginia Ratification Convention stated his strong belief that arms are required to secure rights and freedoms from those that would take them away

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined. … O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone; … Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all? … Will your mace-bearer be a match for a disciplined regiment?

George Mason during that debate also showed his distrust of Congress and the possibility that it would not fund the arming for the militia as an excuse for the creation of a standing army, which could later to be used as an instrument of tyranny by Congress.

The militia may be here destroyed by that method which has been practised in other parts of the world before; that is, by rendering them useless—by disarming them. Under various pretences, Congress may neglect to provide for arming and disciplining the militia; and the state governments cannot do it, for Congress has an exclusive right to arm them, &c. … Should the national government wish to render the militia useless, they may neglect them, and let them perish, in order to have a pretence of establishing a standing army. … But when once a standing army is established in any country, the people lose their liberty. When, against a regular and disciplined army, yeomanry are the only defence,—yeomanry, unskilful and unarmed,—what chance is there for preserving freedom?[40]

Patrick Henry during debate also states:

The militia, sir, is our ultimate safety. We can have no security without it.

Reaching a compromise between these widely disparate positions was not easy, but nonetheless, a compromise was negotiated with the result being the Second Amendment.

That militia is the PEOPLE!!!

Now you can get on board with the Campaign for liberty, be productive in restoring our freedoms, share the load and help us right this listing ship before it is too late.
or
You can visit the obama campaign website and surely be directed to sites that fit the liberal socialist leaning mindset.

Your choice.

This is a forum full of Ron Paul's Presidential campaign supporters and active, hard working members of the campaign for liberty...you are free to leave if you dont like the concept of free americans.

 

[Kade]

You are obviously NOT a true believer in restoring our nation to the founding principles; otherwise, you’d be opposed to unconstitutional federal regulation.

What you don't seem to grasp is "Shall not be infringed"

Any sort of regulation only has an effect on the law abiding citizen and is prohibited by the constitution.


A criminal will simply ignore the law...just as the old assault weapon ban proved.
That old ban simply kept the honest people from obtaining what the criminals had plenty of.

Here is a little reading for you regarding the Tiahrt Amendment http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=208

That amendment poses no restriction to law enforcement officials, it simply keeps data private and out of the hands of the gun grabbers.

The gun show loophole is a media created myth. Pure BS.
Making guns childproof is not feasible...make the owner accountable if they do not secure their firearms and educate their own kids.
If one forces their way past the security measures then the owner is off the hook.

Childproofing a gun (i.e. complicated locking mechanisms or disassembly) is a sure way to make certain that if you need one it will not be usable as a means of self preservation and adds cost to the manufacturers which, increases the cost to the purchaser.

Oh wait...that's right...we don't want anyone to purchase them in the first place because if homeowners are armed and legally protected for defending their families it makes the criminal's chosen line of work too risky...cant' have that now can we.

Fucking liberal panty waist crybabies gotta protect those crook's rights...damn the law abiding tax payer who should just roll over and give their possessions to these scumbags that refuse to contribute anything to society; yet, mysteriously benefit from the liberal machine quite nicely.

Some history?
[QUOTE: WIKIPEDIA ]

That militia is the PEOPLE!!!

Now you can get on board with the Campaign for liberty, be productive in restoring our freedoms, share the load and help us right this listing ship before it is too late.
or
You can visit the obama campaign website and surely be directed to sites that fit the liberal socialist leaning mindset.

Your choice.

This is a forum full of Ron Paul's Presidential campaign supporters and active, hard working members of the campaign for liberty...you are free to leave if you dont like the concept of free americans.

What does this rambling have to do with anything I've said? I'm criticizing the morons on this board who believe Obama is gunna st'el ma gun.

 

[Mini-Me]

What the hell is happening here? Are we really this off the wall this week?

If they ever take anything away from anyone, it should be the computers of idiots. Too bad I'm too stubbornly principled to allow it... This is reaching intolerable.

Obama's only official stance:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.


John McCain also stresses making permanent the assault weapons ban.

/you lose.

Kade, I'm not a gun owner or anything, but let me put this into perspective for you:
One of Palin's "official" policies is cutting spending and taxes. Based on her past record, which I know you have done a lot of research on, what is your opinion of her honesty? Do John McCain and Sarah Palin plainly write the extremes of all of their statist positions in plain English on their official website, or are they much, much worse than their carefully measured "official" stance would imply? I think you know the right answer to this question. The people here are making inferences based on Obama's past voting record and other things he's said, not just what his official website plainly states. Considering you're apparently willing to do the same when it comes to politicians other than Obama, I'm not really sure why you're so outraged when others make inferences about him. I personally don't think Obama will flat-out confiscate guns or anything like that, because I don't think he's quite so brazen or stupid...but if he did plan on such a thing, he would never actually put it up on his campaign site while running for election. However, I do think we'll see an increase of federal restrictions on who can own what and under what circumstances, and such restrictions will continue to gradually tighten until the Second Amendment is useless for all intents and purposes. For starters, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama's Presidency saw a national gun registry database (assuming one doesn't already exist).

I can't argue with your last line, though - it's absolutely correct. That said, this isn't a Tones or EndTheFed thread, so I'm hoping nobody's pushing McCain anyway.

 

[Deborah K]

Obama isn't taking your guns away you backwater hicks. Go outside and shoot cans.

Yeah right! Take off your blinders, Kade. And how about cutting back on the insults when you disagree with someone....it is sooo boring.

http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=22&num=18845

Obama on gun control:


Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

source: http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

 

[Deborah K]

Sorry, my previous post is redundant. Should have read the thread all the way through....

 

[Deborah K]

None of you will have the fortitude or the honor to apologize to me when he doesn't take your guns away.

If he does, I will own up, and say I was wrong.

That is what makes us different. Trash people, with trash propaganda, with trash insight and thought, and ultimately, you will act according to your trash nature, and do whatever comes naturally, the most dishonorable possible way. Will you apologize? Never. Stubborn, stinking trash.

He is not going to take your stupid guns away. Period. /end

And yet you return, day after day. Are you a closet masochist?

 

[Deborah K]

I refuse to fall into this trap that we have to hold our nose and vote for McCain because Obama will take our guns.

That worked for Bush, didn't it?

The Bush that inflated the size of the BATF threefold and brought us the PATRIOT act and Military Commissions Act, along with other grave violations.

So I got mind-fucked once and I won't let it happen again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Check McCain's record and you will see he is against gun ownership but hey I got something else for you. Check the Youtubes from the WSRP convention in Spokane and watch the McCain people fight us on gun right for veterans.

No, Obama won't take our guns, or will want to no more or less than some other member of the CFR picked republicrat duopoly.


He can TRY to take our guns, as McCain would. The difference is that if Obama does it, we will at least have people crying foul where if McCain does it, the same people who would cry fould if Obama did would be telling people like us "what are you, some kind of conspiracy nut? McCain is not anti gun, he's a republican".


At this point, after being taxed, robbed in the nomination process, relegated, marginalized in the political process, and finally, raped by Wall Street with the fat end of a baseball bat (no lube either), either candidate would-be dicatator trying to take guns would be comparable to the British marching on Concord.

And that day I welcome. Bring it. For having done all else, there is yet one more thing to do.

Vote 3rd party or write in Ron Paul. It's as simple as that. If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're no better than the media-mall-zombies who are blindly voting for these two idiots.

 

[DAFTEK]

Obama isn't taking your guns away you backwater hicks. Go outside and shoot cans.

Can you be more of an ass? Get of that Obama crackpipe Kade... I'm no hick and i have the same fear about this crackhead! So QFP!

 

[DAFTEK]

Has it now? I've been here before you, and I'll be here after you. The only thing that's changed is you posting about subjects we've discussed endlessly already.

In other words, we don't really need your propaganda. If someone comes for your gun, shoot them. But give me a f'ing break with this Obama shit already. Grow a pair trash.

KADE=#1 FORUM JACKASS

 

[dwdollar]

KADE

"Period. /end"

"/you lose."

Why do you have to end your comments like that? Is that suppose to make you look like the expert on this matter? Cause it's really just making you look like an arrogant jack-ass prick. Since you're the self-proclaimed "last liberal" here on the forums, maybe you should start acting a little better. We wouldn't want to get the impression all liberals are arrogant jack-ass pricks now would we?

 

[Danke]

And yet you return, day after day. Are you a closet masochist?

No, just those that choose to engage with him!

 

[satchelmcqueen]

Are you calling gunowners trash?

no, trash AND red necks. read all he said

 

[Time for Change]

What does this rambling have to do with anything I've said? I'm criticizing the morons on this board who believe Obama is gunna st'el ma gun.

Don't you recall what your own post states?
I posted nothing more than information related to your statements.

Look man, it has been said here a few times and "common Sense" dictates that everyone knows ....
When a media darling politician's lips are moving, he is lying.
That fact has been proven time and again.

Osama may say one thing, but his record of being an anti second amendment shill is undeniable in any way.
He has proven his desire to disarm the law abiding citizens of this nation via his voting record many times.

The restrictions will have no effect on the victimized criminals, who are criminals only because they were forced into the lifestyle...so it is NOT their fault they are bad.
They are "Disadvantaged"
They will be given plenty of breaks because everyone knows that their behavior is the system's fault anyway.

Back on track...ammo for target / recreation use is way too expensive now...and he wants to implement a 500% tax on top of that?
RESTRICTION

Punishment for protecting your family in your own home?
Treasonous!

An 18 year old kid can be trusted to enter a foreign land with a select fire assault weapon and NOT cause harm to innocent people but a 40 year old, hard working, tax paying person in America is not as responsible, not enough to be trusted to recreationally use the same gun on the range or protect his family in his home?

That is total BS and you should recognize that as a RP / CFL supporter.
That is an unconstitutional regulation that needs to be eliminated.
Period.


That said, why are you posting in such an inflammatory way lately?
You are a RP / CFL supporter, right?

Why are you insulting everyone on this forum on a regular basis?
Underlying issue?
Closet Obama shill?
Trolling?

We are not going to vote for, cower to or bow down before the media messiah osama...ain't gonna happen...so you can stop trying to convince everyone that he's not so bad.
He IS that bad and WILL work as fast as he can to implement (among other things) NEW gun restrictions / bans.

 

[JoshLowry]

Obama isn't taking your guns away you backwater hicks. Go outside and shoot cans.

You won't be able to share your opinion here if you continue to post like this.

The insults are not okay. If someone insults you please report their post.

 

[Deborah K]

No, just those that choose to engage with him!

Kade does not cause me pain in any way. Most of the time, I find his rants a bore. And I doubt he causes anyone else pain on these boards either. But he sure loves to claim persecution on a regular basis. Therefore, it is HE who takes pleasure in being abused.

 

[youngbuck]

Obama's only official stance:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.


John McCain also stresses making permanent the assault weapons ban.

/you lose.

Lose? Do you actually believe what he writes on his website? Of course he isn't going to write "I will ban most gun ownership," because he'd obviously lose the election if he was truthful. Nobody loses here, but you've evidently been lost for quite some time.