OathKeepers Chicken Out

[libertarian4321]

Remember,

YouTube - In defense of freedom

I watched a couple of this guys videos.

Am I the only one who thinks he is one bad hair day away from grabbing a rifle and climbing a tower?

I'm not sure this is the kind of guy we want to be associated with.

 

[pcosmar]

I watched a couple of this guys videos.

Am I the only one who thinks he is one bad hair day away from grabbing a rifle and climbing a tower?

I'm not sure this is the kind of guy we want to be associated with.

You may not.
But these are the men standing between you and complete tyranny.

I don't think I would concern myself any more with those that are afraid of the opinion of the SPLC.
It has become obvious that the BBQ militias and political groups are more concerned with the opinion of TPTB than with the defense of liberty.

I'll throw my lot with those that are being jailed and ridiculed for speaking and standing up for the truth, rather than those that fold at the slightest resistance or threat.

 

[libertarian4321]

You may not.
But these are the men standing between you and complete tyranny.

I don't think I would concern myself any more with those that are afraid of the opinion of the SPLC.
It has become obvious that the BBQ militias and political groups are more concerned with the opinion of TPTB than with the defense of liberty.

I'll throw my lot with those that are being jailed and ridiculed for speaking and standing up for the truth, rather than those that fold at the slightest resistance or threat.

Lets be honest, he isn't standing between me and anything. He's a guy making tough sounding videos and running around in the woods playing paint ball.

I don't think we win by alienating the overwhelming majority of Americans. Guys like this look and sound mentally unstable and potentially dangerous even to me- and I'm an ex-Army Ron Paul lovin' libertarian gun nut. This guy will be downright scary and repellent to most Americans.

You won't change things by being a hard core 0.01% of the population...

 

[pcosmar]

Lets be honest, he isn't standing between me and anything. He's a guy making tough sounding videos and running around in the woods playing paint ball.

I don't think we win by alienating the overwhelming majority of Americans. Guys like this look and sound mentally unstable and potentially dangerous even to me- and I'm an ex-Army Ron Paul lovin' libertarian gun nut. This guy will be downright scary and repellent to most Americans.

You won't change things by being a hard core 0.01% of the population...

You aren't changing anything now.
I doubt you will. Though I to am have been and still will work on every peaceful option.
The only reason that you or I have any semblance of freedom is because of these men with guns. And I am not talking about the government military. I am talking about the armed citizens
Read this,
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/the-patriots?page=0,0

These are the people making policy. They are the ones that define what is or is not acceptable.
Have you read the MIAC report, or the one that came out of Virginia, Or the FBI pamphlets that were out a few years ago?
Ever go to a Cop Forum and read the threads.

Do you remember the witch hunts after the government blew up The Murrah building?

Get ready, They are already doing it again.

 

[libertarian4321]

Read this,
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/the-patriots?page=0,0

The SPLC are extremists too. I don't see how showing that there are extremists on "the other side" makes extremists on "our side" any more palatable.

"The only reason that you or I have any semblance of freedom is because of these men with guns."

I fail to see how a few dozen guys running around in the woods playing Army and making Youtube videos is doing anything to keep me free.

The only reason we have any freedom is because there are still many people who stand up politically for freedom and against big government- not because some Yahoo is running around in the woods playing "militia" and talking tough on Youtube.

We need to win with rational arguments, not by showing ourselves to be unstable, dangerous radicals and frightening the citizenry. And every time we are associated with these extremist nuts, we lose the support of the people.

So I will continue to work politically, but you won't see me joining any "militia."

 

[pcosmar]

The SPLC are extremists too. I don't see how showing that there are extremists on "the other side" makes extremists on "our side" any more palatable.

But those people have the ear of, and share the agenda with TPTB.

"The only reason that you or I have any semblance of freedom is because of these men with guns."

I fail to see how a few dozen guys running around in the woods playing Army and making Youtube videos is doing anything to keep me free.

Few dozen? are you completely ignorant?
Try a couple hundred thousand. Not all are on videos. Not all wear camo and train regularly.
It is this armed population that holds back tyranny. They are our last line of defense. And they are our last line because of attitudes like yours.
They should be the first line, and should be supported by every community.

We need to win with rational arguments, not by showing ourselves to be unstable, dangerous radicals and frightening the citizenry. And every time we are associated with these extremist nuts, we lose the support of the people.

So I will continue to work politically, but you won't see me joining any "militia."

And while you do that your "representatives" will continue to sell you out to the globalists, as they have done for a hundred years.
And you will cheer as the defenders are jailed and killed.

 

[libertarian4321]

But those people have the ear of, and share the agenda with TPTB.

I don't come on these boards as much as I used to (the level of "crazy" seems to get worse all the time), so I'm not familiar with your level of paranoia- are you one of the ones who believes "TPTB" are only Dems (e.g. SPLC has the ear of "TPTB" now, but didn't have it when Bush was in office) or did you believe the Bush administration was "TPTB" (in which case the SPLC has only had "the ear of TPTB" for a short time). Or are you a full on CT paranoiac (Bilderbergers, Trilateral commission, CFR, international bankers, black helicopters, Illuminati- the whole 9 yards)?

Few dozen? are you completely ignorant?

No, I'm not.

Try a couple hundred thousand. Not all are on videos. Not all wear camo and train regularly.
It is this armed population that holds back tyranny. They are our last line of defense. And they are our last line because of attitudes like yours.
They should be the first line, and should be supported by every community.

I'm an armed citizen, but don't lump me in with the extremist wackos out there making threats and demanding violence. I'm not down with the Hutaree or the Tim McVey "militia" types who think it's a good idea to blow people up or start a violent revolt because they have a beef with the government. Very few Americans support that kind of extremism- and it hurts us every time one of these crazies does something violent and proclaims he's a Ron Paul supporter.

 

[pcosmar]

I'm an armed citizen, but don't lump me in with the extremist wackos out there making threats and demanding violence. I'm not down with the Hutaree or the Tim McVey "militia" types who think it's a good idea to blow people up or start a violent revolt because they have a beef with the government. Very few Americans support that kind of extremism- and it hurts us every time one of these crazies does something violent and proclaims he's a Ron Paul supporter.

Do you enjoy flaunting your ignorance.
First, Tim McVeigh was never militia. Tim McVeigh was a government soldier. He was run off by virtually ever group he tried to attach himself to.
But the propaganda has been effective. You are proof of that.

Secondly, The Hutaree . We have another media show for the ignorant masses.
There were NO illegal weapons
There was NO plan to overthrow anything
The only Bombs were made by the government provocateur
They were training as a local defense force
They were actively involved in the community and aiding local Law enforcement.
It seems that there only "crime" is being Christian believers.

Do you have any understanding of the purpose of the 2nd amendment?

It seems that to you and others anything other that passive and unquestioned compliance is "extreme".

 

[libertarian4321]

It seems that to you and others anything other that passive and unquestioned compliance is "extreme".

Apparently, to extremist hot heads like yourself, anything short initiating violence is "passive and compliant." Obviously, many of us disagree.

So you throw on your militia uniform and run around in the woods (hopefully, you'll limit your activity to playing militia and not do anything too crazy), and I'll work within the system, okay?

Just do the rest of us a favor, if they arrest you for plotting to blow up a building (or whatever), please don't give a shout out to Ron Paul as soon as you see a camera.

 

[pcosmar]

Apparently, to extremist hot heads like yourself, anything short initiating violence is "passive and compliant." Obviously, many of us disagree.

So you throw on your militia uniform and run around in the woods (hopefully, you'll limit your activity to playing militia and not do anything too crazy), and I'll work within the system, okay?

Just do the rest of us a favor, if they arrest you for plotting to blow up a building (or whatever), please don't give a shout out to Ron Paul as soon as you see a camera.

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE
I have never advocated initiation of violence, NEVER, and am getting damn tired of that libelous accusation.

Fucking trolls like you are often making that accusation when ever someone speaks of the Constitutional Militia.
You quote the talking points of the SPLC and wave Government Propaganda like a banner.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=239600
You are the problem with this country, and an impediment to correcting it.

 

[AuH20]

Apparently, to extremist hot heads like yourself, anything short initiating violence is "passive and compliant." Obviously, many of us disagree.

So you throw on your militia uniform and run around in the woods (hopefully, you'll limit your activity to playing militia and not do anything too crazy), and I'll work within the system, okay?

Just do the rest of us a favor, if they arrest you for plotting to blow up a building (or whatever), please don't give a shout out to Ron Paul as soon as you see a camera.

Work within the system? The system exists exactly to preserve the system and mitigate domestic unrest. That's why the DoJ doesn't prosecute unsavory politicians nor the criminal element rooted in our financial systems.

 

[JoshLowry]

I don't come on these boards as much as I used to (the level of "crazy" seems to get worse all the time), so I'm not familiar with your level of paranoia- are you one of the ones who believes "TPTB" are only Dems (e.g. SPLC has the ear of "TPTB" now, but didn't have it when Bush was in office) or did you believe the Bush administration was "TPTB" (in which case the SPLC has only had "the ear of TPTB" for a short time). Or are you a full on CT paranoiac (Bilderbergers, Trilateral commission, CFR, international bankers, black helicopters, Illuminati- the whole 9 yards)?

Wow, talk about a smear job. You sound like Hannity.

Extremist, black helicopters, paranoia, violent, and crazy. You got most of the keywords to belittle someone that loves liberty and small government. Don't forget racist next time.

 

[libertarian4321]

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE
I have never advocated initiation of violence, NEVER, and am getting damn tired of that libelous accusation.

Fucking trolls like you are often making that accusation when ever someone speaks of the Constitutional Militia.
You quote the talking points of the SPLC and wave Government Propaganda like a banner.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=239600
You are the problem with this country, and an impediment to correcting it.

Relax, I said "if" you get arrested for plotting to blow up a building, not "when." I intentionally wrote it that way just in case you weren't completely nuts.

I would like to know, however, if you define anything other than grabbing a weapon as "passive and compliant," just what are you advocating?

 

[libertarian4321]

Wow, talk about a smear job. You sound like Hannity.

Extremist, black helicopters, paranoia, violent, and crazy. You got most of the keywords to belittle someone that loves liberty and small government. Don't forget racist next time.

I love liberty and small government.

That does NOT mean I have to be a CT.

One does not need to believe everything Alex Jones says to be a libertarian.

 

[Danke]

Fucking trolls like you are often making that accusation when ever someone speaks of the Constitutional Militia.
You quote the talking points of the SPLC and wave Government Propaganda like a banner.

Beware of these Obama supporters: ProBlue33, newbitech, libertarian4321, Kade, Electronicmajji, SeanEdwards

He may have been on to something...

 

[libertarian4321]

He may have been on to something...

Or he may have just been an idiot who was upset because I wouldn't support a bad Republican candidate...

[Edit: REALLY bad Republican candidate]

 

[pcosmar]

Relax, I said "if" you get arrested for plotting to blow up a building, not "when." I intentionally wrote it that way just in case you weren't completely nuts.

I would like to know, however, if you define anything other than grabbing a weapon as "passive and compliant," just what are you advocating?

I do not own weapons. I do not train with the militia. I do support the Constitutional basis for the militia. I support self defense. I support community defense.
I do advocate the arming and training of local militia.

I also am continuing to support candidates and legislation in defense of the constitution.
I promote peaceful means, while at the same time recognizing the reality of of what is being done against those ends.
I am a realist. I do not expect to be successful. but I make the effort.
I dislike violence, but am intimately acquainted with it.
I do not advocate it, I do advocate being prepared for it.

 

[libertarian4321]

I do not own weapons. I do not train with the militia. I do support the Constitutional basis for the militia. I support self defense. I support community defense.
I do advocate the arming and training of local militia.

I also am continuing to support candidates and legislation in defense of the constitution.
I promote peaceful means, while at the same time recognizing the reality of of what is being done against those ends.
I am a realist. I do not expect to be successful. but I make the effort.
I dislike violence, but am intimately acquainted with it.
I do not advocate it, I do advocate being prepared for it.

Same here, except that I have weapons and don't advocate joining militias.

So what are we arguing about?

 

[purplechoe]

One does not need to believe everything Alex Jones says to be a libertarian.

How the hell do shit like this even manifests itself in minds of people I'll never understand... Were you born yesterday?

 

[InterestedParticipant]

My CIA sources inform me that RFP is COINTEL.

http://wwws.forummotion.com/chatter-f17/ron-paul-forums-is-cointel-t12.htm

More like unwitting dupes. This thread proves it.