OathKeepers Chicken Out

[Pericles]

“Given the same amount of intelligence, timidity will do a thousand times more damage than audacity”
- Karl von Clausewitz

 

[Spike]

I'm glad the OK are led by THINKING men. They are not cowards at all, and anyone who thinks so is either ignorant, or couldn't care less about winning. If you want to win, and beat the tyrants, you have to do everything in your power to maintain your image, and not do any regrettable actions. This is a time to watch your step, and examine the battlefield.

The enlightened ruler is heedful, and the good general full of caution.
- Sun Tzu

 

[Anti Federalist]

Fuck you

Oh, fuck you back.

Can't take a little ribbing, especially when it hits home?

Your rant reeks of "This forums sucks, what happened here, I'm leaving", that has been posted before, just because you're butthurt since somebody has a beef with a very well connected (to here) organization.

VegasPatriot - I get so sick of seeing people on this forum talk shit about things they know nothing (or very little) about. I was going to write in detail about some of the concerns stated in this thread... but on second thought, fuck it. Just keep pissing on the ones trying to fight the good fight and see where that gets you. It was every now and then... but now it's daily that I wonder if I'm just wasting my time (and money) on this forum.

You seem to think the charges unfair and unreasonable that Pete brought forward. Perhaps they are, I'm withholding judgment until more details come out.

You alluded to the fact that you have information that could clear this mess up, but failed to post it because your feelings got hurt or something.

So, if you do have some information that could clear up the OP's complaints, post them, everybody washes their hands and gets back to work.

If you can't do it publicly, send it in a PM.

If you can't do it all, that probably you means you don't know shit about the situation, or any more than any of us know and are concerned about.

 

[phill4paul]

This - It's like they are trying to make me wonder why I joined.

Was planning to join this week. No biggie. I'm a firm believer in decentralization.

I am an Oathkeeper. Don't need no stinking patches.

 

[Danke]

Don't need no stinking patches.

Patches R cool.

 

[Pericles]

I'm glad the OK are led by THINKING men. They are not cowards at all, and anyone who thinks so is either ignorant, or couldn't care less about winning. If you want to win, and beat the tyrants, you have to do everything in your power to maintain your image, and not do any regrettable actions. This is a time to watch your step, and examine the battlefield.

The enlightened ruler is heedful, and the good general full of caution.
- Sun Tzu

The best time to think is before making a decision. The concern (speaking only for myself) is that the decision to go or not to go - either is fine - but deciding to go and then reversing that decision and now not to go, does not reflect well.

 

[pcosmar]

I will note here that I called no one a coward. It is not in my posts.
I posted this after reading about this decision on several sites (blogs/news/forums) and then going to the OK site to confirm.

The accusation of cowardice was made by a member there. Not by me.
I only expressed my disappointment.

btw, The 2nd Amendment and abuse by the system was the catalyst of my awakening.
I do take it seriously.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

Oathkeepers was established to identify and register possible internal opposition. Glad to see that they are finally showing their hand, after duping many, unfortunately.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oathkeepers was established to identify and register possible internal opposition. Glad to see that they are finally showing their hand, after duping many, unfortunately.

Do you have any concrete proof of your claim about Oathkeepers? If so, show it.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

Oh, so very nice to speak with you again, LE.

How about....I'll show you mine if you show me yours? I mean, you obviously have concrete proof that Oathkeepers is something else, do you not? Otherwise, you would have not laid down such a challenge.

 

[JoshLowry]

Please keep it civil folks. The fuck you's are not necessary.

IP don't be a smart ass.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

This group continues to fall for every stupid trick in the book. Does no one here read any history? Does anyone understand how the game is played and the masses continually duped. Or am I just supposed to stand-at-attention and salute anytime someone slaps the patriot symbol on to an organization and says that it's for "liberty"?

 

[amy31416]

This group continues to fall for every stupid trick in the book. Does no one here read any history? Does anyone understand how the game is played and the masses continually duped. Or am I just supposed to stand-at-attention and salute anytime someone slaps the patriot symbol on to an organization and says that it's for "liberty"?

You're what, approximately 12 years old and saying "nyah nyah nyah" now? Grow up.

 

[VegasPatriot]

Please keep it civil folks. The fuck you's are not necessary.

IP don't be a smart ass.

Look, I've been working on a huge rant of fu's so don't stop me now.

Oh, fuck you back.

Can't take a little ribbing, especially when it hits home?

Your rant reeks of "This forums sucks, what happened here, I'm leaving", that has been posted before, just because you're butthurt since somebody has a beef with a very well connected (to here) organization.

Butthurt? Where the hell you get that... oh wait, I just read what I wrote. Never mind.:o

You seem to think the charges unfair and unreasonable that Pete brought forward.

Yes I do.

You alluded to the fact that you have information that could clear this mess up...

So, if you do have some information that could clear up the OP's complaints, post them, everybody washes their hands and gets back to work.

If you can't do it publicly, send it in a PM.

Good idea, I'll PM you and pete... but there is some info I can't share right now, sorry.

If you can't do it all, that probably you means you don't know shit about the situation, or any more than any of us know and are concerned about.

Oh, F.... errr, I mean... I'll let you decide.

 

[VegasPatriot]

Oathkeepers was established to identify and register possible internal opposition. Glad to see that they are finally showing their hand, after duping many, unfortunately.

LOL, you don't know how many times I've heard that... Look, we refer to OK membership as the tip of the iceberg. We don't want all active duty to join, we just need them to listen to our message.

 

[VegasPatriot]

I will note here that I called no one a coward. It is not in my posts.
I posted this after reading about this decision on several sites (blogs/news/forums) and then going to the OK site to confirm.

The accusation of cowardice was made by a member there. Not by me.
I only expressed my disappointment.

btw, The 2nd Amendment and abuse by the system was the catalyst of my awakening.
I do take it seriously.

I have PM you and AF. I am on my way to dinner with Stewart, I will check back here in a few hours.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have PM you and AF. I am on my way to dinner with Stewart, I will check back here in a few hours.

PM received.

Based on that information I'll adopt a stance of wary optimism.

 

[VegasPatriot]

Here is a few comments from the OK website that speaks to some of our concerns. There is a full out attempt to label OK as a hate group in order to prevent our mission.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=69360[url]http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=69360[/URL] Here is your reason right here. The DOD just tightened the rules on which groups service members can associate with. Do you want to be next? Comment by Alan Jay Stang Jr — April 14, 2010

As a member of the National Board of Directors I not only encourage the decision to withdraw from the march but also look to the future of our organization and its viability as a foe to those that want to dismantle this Republic. I served for 20 years active duty and I’m still doing my best to protect and defend the liberties afforded us by our creator.
Without a doubt I trust my fellow brothers and sisters on the BOD. Our intelligence is sound and discussed at length. We on the board are not a group of yes men and women. We make our decisions based on facts and how such information will affect the Oath Keepers as a whole. The majority of us in this organization are in for the long haul. The 2nd amendment is not the only issue the current administration is trying to overstep their bounds. The entire Constitution and Bill of Rights are in jeopardy.

This struggle to maintain the Constitution in its original form is a battle that must be won with the support of our Military and Law enforcement members. So a decision to remove Oath Keepers from a potentially embarrassing or much worse situation is the wise thing to do.

The Oath Keepers mission has not changed although the enemies of the Republic would love nothing more than for us to implode.

I stand with Stewart Rhodes and all the members of the BOD.
One of the first things I learned in survival school was the enemy need only divide and conquer to win.

For The Republic,
Robert Gomez
Oklahoma Chapter President
Comment by Robert Gomez, MSgt, USAF (Ret)

Give me a break !… Does anyone here that’s NOT a member of the Oath Keepers Board of Directors know everything about this situation that the Board of Directors knows?
I didn’t THINK so…

So… Where, exactly, do you get off second-guessing their decision?
If you don’t know all the facts, then you’re pretty much just talking out of your ass, eh?

I trust the leadership of Oath Keepers to make the right decisions for Oath Keepers, as an organization.

If those decisions don’t happen to line up with your pet “sacred cow”…
Too damn bad !

We Oath Keepers are in this thing for the long haul. If you can’t get with the program (the REAL, stated, Oath Keepers program… Not the fantasy one you’ve locked onto.)…

Then, please…
Shut the hell up and let us do what we do… Reach, Teach, and Inspire oath takers to become Oath Keepers !

If you don’t wanna help us do that, then go on and play your sillyass games somewhere else !

We’ve got serious business to take of. If you don’t agree with the decisions being made…

Get over it…
And get the hell out of the way.
I, for one, am tired of the whining.

Eddie Gilbert
USMC – 1970-1978
Peace Officer – 1997-present
Comment by Eddie Gilbert

I am not in a leadership role with OK’s nor am I privy to the information the board has which led to this decision however I do support the decision 100% for the following reasons.

1. I am a long time political activist and an organizer of grass roots organizations similar to OK’s and I have seen with my own eyes how they are systematically attacked, infiltrated, divided, and finally destroyed. The play book for doing this was written a long time ago. Believe me when I say that the play book is being used against OK’s. Tricks and traps are waiting to be sprung. I suggest anyone who doubts that do some research into Cointelpro, Operation Mockingbird, and Operation Northwoods. Perhaps even spend some time looking into “agent provocateurs” and how they operate check youtube and add “Canada” to your key word search.
To make a long story short one of the plays in the dirty trick playbook is to infiltrate the target organization and have your planted operative create an incident preferably on camera which makes the organization look as bad as possible to the public. The gullible public then turns against the organization and the organization withers and dies. Simple and effective tactic and used OFTEN.

The good news is that the way to prevent this from happening is to very clearly establish and strictly adhere to a non violent code of conduct for the organization and make a point of separating the organization from members, organizations, or statements, which run counter to that code of conduct. In that way agent provocateurs are left outside the organization for failure to adhere to the non-violent code of conduct.
In my organization we laid out the following plan for attending public events and rallies where provocateurs could be present. 1. Know who you are with and closely monitor any unknown attendees. 2. Have cameras manned by alert people distributed throughout your group to quickly document anything unusual that might happen. 3. Separate yourself and your group immediately from anyone acting out aggressively and get a camera on them. 4. Make it clear to any peace officers in the area that the aggressive person(s) are not part of your group and that the group does not endorse or condone what they are doing.

To be honest most people who attend rallies or events, especially for the first few times, are not well equipped for or even aware of the tactics that will be used against them. All of us should get educated on this BEFORE attending an event or at least be with someone who has experience. This is a different kind of battle here and the tactics are subtle and it is easy for a new member to fall into a trap like a media ambush and be led into saying something really stupid.
Keep in mind provocateurs do not have to be violent to do damage; they can use racism or lewd behavior to discredit the organization as well. Doing so in front of corporate media can do a lot of damage because believe me they will milk any incident they can for all it is worth. Remember this is not checkers we are playing here, it is chess and the opponent is a master, believe it!

Reason 2 I support this decision is that the stated purpose of OK’s is very clear and I strongly suspect is NOT compatible with statements made by someone or some group attending the Virginia event. I do not know what was said or who said it but as an organizer myself I would do the same thing under those circumstances.

This battle will be won or lost in the hearts and minds of the American people. OK’s are fighting organized propaganda campaigns by the SPLC and corporate media conglomerates not against an army. The way to win the hearts and minds of our fellow Americans is not by aggressive or confrontational posturing and grand standing but by simply refusing to follow unconstitutional orders, remaining resolute in that purpose, teaching others to honor their oath, and by being an example for all to see. It will be won by being true Oath Keepers!
Comment by Adam Citizen OathKeeper

 

[Promontorium]

It's a tough day in the forums when IP is at full throttle and comes off as a sideshow.

 

[Old Ducker]

This group continues to fall for every stupid trick in the book. Does no one here read any history? Does anyone understand how the game is played and the masses continually duped. Or am I just supposed to stand-at-attention and salute anytime someone slaps the patriot symbol on to an organization and says that it's for "liberty"?

My CIA sources inform me that RFP is COINTEL.

http://wwws.forummotion.com/chatter-f17/ron-paul-forums-is-cointel-t12.htm