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NYC - The chokehold death of Jordan Neely [VERDICT: Daniel Penny not guilty]
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Okay. This is getting ridiculous. So now a woke mob is blocking subways in New York.
A dark skin black[1] man tries to get off the train. Apparently he's going to be late for work. A mob of mostly women, some men, won't let him off. Some black police officers are standing right there and do nothing. Some (Latina?) women tell him "You are not getting off this train." Then a light skin black man keeps repeatedly saying "They lynching us out here bro." The dark skinned black man with a job says "I'm black. I understand. I understand. Bro here me out. I understand." Then another skinned black man says to the young light skinned black man. "You don't have to explain to a n****s my n****. F*** it. You don't have to explain to a n****s."
So...black man trying to hold down a steady job held up by protest over homeless guy that was beating people on the subway. Yeah....this n**** don't understand.
[1] Sorry for the colorism but it's relevant this time. Some light skin black man trying to "blacksplain" racism to a dark skin black man.
The story has been picked up by the NY Post now.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/06/prote...n=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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'Tis the season.
Election season, that is.
Things are gearing up - and I don't even have my decorations up yet ... (I'm thinking of going with a "Rooftop Koreans" theme this time ...)
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Some needed context to this story. This is why he went from happy go lucky (and obviously talented) Michael Jackson impersonator to crazed angry young man punching women on the subway.
Yeah. This case is nuts. Again, I understand why the marine did what he did. I also understand why Jordan acted the way he did. I wish Jordan had gotten the help he needed and the help his aunt was begging the system to give him. I wish the marine had used a seatbelt hold, but considering marines are trained to kill they probably wasn't emphasized in the training. It's not really emphasized in "sport" BJJ either. The seatbelt hold is simply a transition to get to the rear naked choke. But all of the chokes are being done in a controlled environment among friends.
Homeless subway chokehold victim Jordan Neely became ‘complete mess’ after mom was brutally murdered by stepfather: aunt
By Dana Kennedy, Isabel Vincent and Jack Morphet
May 3, 2023 10:34pm Updated
Warning: Disturbing Content
Jordan Neely, the homeless man choked to death on the subway, sank into a deep depression after his mother was brutally murdered by his stepfather in 2007 — and was not properly treated for his mental illness, friends and family told The Post.
Neely, who died Monday afternoon after being held in a chokehold for 15 minutes by a straphanger, descended into “a complete mess” after his mother, Christie Neely, was reportedly strangled to death and then stuffed into a suitcase when he was just 14, according to his aunt, Carolyn Neely.
“My sister Christie was murdered in ‘07 and after that, he has never been the same,” Carolyn, 40, said.
“It had a big impact on him. He developed depression and it grew and became more serious. He was schizophrenic, PTSD. Doctors knew his condition and he needed to be treated for that.”
Carolyn, who described herself as Jordan’s closest living relative, said she pleaded with judges and doctors to help get the proper care for her nephew, but to no avail.
“The whole system just failed him. He fell through the cracks of the system,” she said.
Christie Neely was murdered by Shawn Southerland, then 50, who stuffed her dead body in a suitcase and threw it on the shoulder of the Henry Hudson Parkway, according to a 2012 NJ.com report.
Jordan Neely reportedly spiraled after the murder of his mother.
Jordan was even called to testify in Southerland’s murder trial when was 18.
“The relationship had been crazy… a fight every day,” he said when describing the relationship between his 36-year-old mother and Southerland, according to the news outlet.
During the trial, Jordan said he tried to say goodbye to his mother before school on April 4, 2007, but Southerland blocked him from their bedroom.
He said later that day Southerland packed up and moved out.
Southerland was found guilty of murder. He was sentenced to 30 years in prison in March 2012.
Nedra Guaba of Washington Heights, who said she wanted to be identified as a close friend of the family, said she knew Jordan’s late mother for most of her life and knew Jordan since he was 4 years old.
“He suffered so much because of what happened to his mother,” Guaba told The Post. “She was his sole support. His father sure wasn’t.”
Guaba said Jordan loved doing his Michael Jackson impersonations on the subway when he was younger but spiraled into difficulties in recent years.
“He liked to hang out at train stations,” Carolyn said. “He wasn’t aggressive. That’s not who he is. He loved to dance and that was his outlet, that was his mental outlet after his mother died.”
Jordan reportedly had been arrested numerous times.
“He really started going downhill two years ago,” Guaba said, “I would see him all the time and give him something to eat. It was like he gave up. He felt his dreams were dead. He needed his mother.”
Cops said Jordan had been living on the streets and had a recorded history of mental illness. But Guaba said he had a place to live recently but did not want to say where.
Both women said Jordan’s father had not been around much. Carolyn Neely said Andre Zachery, now 60, abandoned Jordan as a baby. Nedra said Jordan lived with his father occasionally but the two did not get along.
Carolyn said she last spoke to Jordan on Facetime seven months ago.
“He would call me. We would video chat. He’d come to me when he had a problem,” said Carolyn, who now lives in Watertown, NY.
During the last call, she said, “He was smiling. He had a beautiful smile.”
Jordan had testified his mother and Southerland met in law school. At the time she died, Christie Neely was working as a telemarketer in Manhattan. Sources said Southerland had worked for a law firm at some point.
A GoFundMe has been set up to help with funeral expenses for the Neely family.
Alberto Vazquez, a freelance journalist who filmed video of the shocking incident, told The Post Neely was unhinged, yelling at riders that he didn’t have food or drinks and “doesn’t care if he goes to jail.”
Mr. Vazquez said at the time he did not believe the 30-year-old man could die.
“None of us were thinking that,” he said. “He was moving and he was defending himself.”
NYC subway choking victim Jordan Neely: What we know
When: May 1, 2023
Who: Jordan Neely, 30, a homeless man was fatally strangled aboard a northbound F train just before 2:30 p.m., according to police.
He reportedly started acting erratically on the train and harassing other passengers before being restrained and ultimately choked by a straphanger, identified as a 24-year-old marine from Queens.
The marine, who was seen on video applying the chokehold, was taken into custody and later released but the DA is mulling charges, which could include involuntary manslaughter, according to experts.
Fallout: The city medical examiner ruled Neely’s death a homicide, noting he died due to “compression of neck (chokehold).” This will be weighed during the investigation into whether charges will be brought for Neely’s death.
Neely’s aunt told The Post that he became a “complete mess” following the brutal murder of his mother in 2007. She noted he was schizophrenic while suffering from PTSD and depression.
“The whole system just failed him. He fell through the cracks of the system,” Carolyn Neely said.
Law enforcement sources said Neely had “numerous” arrests on his record, including for drugs, disorderly conduct, and fare beating.
At the time of his death, Neely had a warrant out for his arrest for a November 2021 case where he was accused of assaulting a 67-year-old woman in the East Village, the sources said.
Mayor Eric Adams has said it’s important for the DA to complete the investigation into Neely’s death and not rush to conclusions.
The city medical examiner ruled Neely’s death a homicide Wednesday and said his cause of death was “compression of neck (chokehold).” Prosecutors are mulling whether to press charges against the Marine who choked Neely.
Mayor Eric Adams, in a Wednesday night interview on “CNN Primetime,” said “our hearts go out to the family in this terrible incident.”
“And the district attorney, as you stated, the medical examiner’s office just ruled the case, and now it’s in the hands of the investigators to determine exactly what happened. There’s so many unknowns at this time,” the mayor said.
By Dana Kennedy, Isabel Vincent and Jack Morphet
May 3, 2023 10:34pm Updated
Warning: Disturbing Content
Jordan Neely, the homeless man choked to death on the subway, sank into a deep depression after his mother was brutally murdered by his stepfather in 2007 — and was not properly treated for his mental illness, friends and family told The Post.
Neely, who died Monday afternoon after being held in a chokehold for 15 minutes by a straphanger, descended into “a complete mess” after his mother, Christie Neely, was reportedly strangled to death and then stuffed into a suitcase when he was just 14, according to his aunt, Carolyn Neely.
“My sister Christie was murdered in ‘07 and after that, he has never been the same,” Carolyn, 40, said.
“It had a big impact on him. He developed depression and it grew and became more serious. He was schizophrenic, PTSD. Doctors knew his condition and he needed to be treated for that.”
Carolyn, who described herself as Jordan’s closest living relative, said she pleaded with judges and doctors to help get the proper care for her nephew, but to no avail.
“The whole system just failed him. He fell through the cracks of the system,” she said.
Christie Neely was murdered by Shawn Southerland, then 50, who stuffed her dead body in a suitcase and threw it on the shoulder of the Henry Hudson Parkway, according to a 2012 NJ.com report.
Jordan Neely reportedly spiraled after the murder of his mother.
Jordan was even called to testify in Southerland’s murder trial when was 18.
“The relationship had been crazy… a fight every day,” he said when describing the relationship between his 36-year-old mother and Southerland, according to the news outlet.
During the trial, Jordan said he tried to say goodbye to his mother before school on April 4, 2007, but Southerland blocked him from their bedroom.
He said later that day Southerland packed up and moved out.
Southerland was found guilty of murder. He was sentenced to 30 years in prison in March 2012.
Nedra Guaba of Washington Heights, who said she wanted to be identified as a close friend of the family, said she knew Jordan’s late mother for most of her life and knew Jordan since he was 4 years old.
“He suffered so much because of what happened to his mother,” Guaba told The Post. “She was his sole support. His father sure wasn’t.”
Guaba said Jordan loved doing his Michael Jackson impersonations on the subway when he was younger but spiraled into difficulties in recent years.
“He liked to hang out at train stations,” Carolyn said. “He wasn’t aggressive. That’s not who he is. He loved to dance and that was his outlet, that was his mental outlet after his mother died.”
Jordan reportedly had been arrested numerous times.
“He really started going downhill two years ago,” Guaba said, “I would see him all the time and give him something to eat. It was like he gave up. He felt his dreams were dead. He needed his mother.”
Cops said Jordan had been living on the streets and had a recorded history of mental illness. But Guaba said he had a place to live recently but did not want to say where.
Both women said Jordan’s father had not been around much. Carolyn Neely said Andre Zachery, now 60, abandoned Jordan as a baby. Nedra said Jordan lived with his father occasionally but the two did not get along.
Carolyn said she last spoke to Jordan on Facetime seven months ago.
“He would call me. We would video chat. He’d come to me when he had a problem,” said Carolyn, who now lives in Watertown, NY.
During the last call, she said, “He was smiling. He had a beautiful smile.”
Jordan had testified his mother and Southerland met in law school. At the time she died, Christie Neely was working as a telemarketer in Manhattan. Sources said Southerland had worked for a law firm at some point.
A GoFundMe has been set up to help with funeral expenses for the Neely family.
Alberto Vazquez, a freelance journalist who filmed video of the shocking incident, told The Post Neely was unhinged, yelling at riders that he didn’t have food or drinks and “doesn’t care if he goes to jail.”
Mr. Vazquez said at the time he did not believe the 30-year-old man could die.
“None of us were thinking that,” he said. “He was moving and he was defending himself.”
NYC subway choking victim Jordan Neely: What we know
When: May 1, 2023
Who: Jordan Neely, 30, a homeless man was fatally strangled aboard a northbound F train just before 2:30 p.m., according to police.
He reportedly started acting erratically on the train and harassing other passengers before being restrained and ultimately choked by a straphanger, identified as a 24-year-old marine from Queens.
The marine, who was seen on video applying the chokehold, was taken into custody and later released but the DA is mulling charges, which could include involuntary manslaughter, according to experts.
Fallout: The city medical examiner ruled Neely’s death a homicide, noting he died due to “compression of neck (chokehold).” This will be weighed during the investigation into whether charges will be brought for Neely’s death.
Neely’s aunt told The Post that he became a “complete mess” following the brutal murder of his mother in 2007. She noted he was schizophrenic while suffering from PTSD and depression.
“The whole system just failed him. He fell through the cracks of the system,” Carolyn Neely said.
Law enforcement sources said Neely had “numerous” arrests on his record, including for drugs, disorderly conduct, and fare beating.
At the time of his death, Neely had a warrant out for his arrest for a November 2021 case where he was accused of assaulting a 67-year-old woman in the East Village, the sources said.
Mayor Eric Adams has said it’s important for the DA to complete the investigation into Neely’s death and not rush to conclusions.
The city medical examiner ruled Neely’s death a homicide Wednesday and said his cause of death was “compression of neck (chokehold).” Prosecutors are mulling whether to press charges against the Marine who choked Neely.
Mayor Eric Adams, in a Wednesday night interview on “CNN Primetime,” said “our hearts go out to the family in this terrible incident.”
“And the district attorney, as you stated, the medical examiner’s office just ruled the case, and now it’s in the hands of the investigators to determine exactly what happened. There’s so many unknowns at this time,” the mayor said.
Yeah. This case is nuts. Again, I understand why the marine did what he did. I also understand why Jordan acted the way he did. I wish Jordan had gotten the help he needed and the help his aunt was begging the system to give him. I wish the marine had used a seatbelt hold, but considering marines are trained to kill they probably wasn't emphasized in the training. It's not really emphasized in "sport" BJJ either. The seatbelt hold is simply a transition to get to the rear naked choke. But all of the chokes are being done in a controlled environment among friends.
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A dark skin black[1] man tries to get off the train. Apparently he's going to be late for work. A mob of mostly women, some men, won't let him off. Some black police officers are standing right there and do nothing. Some (Latina?) women tell him "You are not getting off this train." Then a light skin black man keeps repeatedly saying "They lynching us out here bro." The dark skinned black man with a job says "I'm black. I understand. I understand. Bro here me out. I understand." Then another skinned black man says to the young light skinned black man. "You don't have to explain to a n****s my n****. F*** it. You don't have to explain to a n****s."
So...black man trying to hold down a steady job held up by protest over homeless guy that was beating people on the subway. Yeah....this n**** don't understand.
[1] Sorry for the colorism but it's relevant this time. Some light skin black man trying to "blacksplain" racism to a dark skin black man.
The story has been picked up by the NY Post now.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/06/prote...n=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
https://twitter.com/i/status/1654800130778841091
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Looks to me like mostly asshole Marxist whites as well.
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Full footage reveals former Marine Daniel Penny putting Jordan Neely in 'recovery position', passengers complimenting him
The veteran Marine was taken into custody following the altercation, but was released.
https://thepostmillennial.com/break...neely-in-recovery-position-after-subduing-him
Katie Daviscourt (07 May 2023)
Full footage that emerged on social media this Sunday revealed that marine corps veteran Daniel Penny had placed Jordan Neely in a "recovery position" after subduing him on the New York City subway earlier this week.
Jordan Neely, a 30-year-old violent homeless man and repeat offender with over 40 prior arrests, died on Monday after Penny, 24, had placed him into a chokehold on the F train. Neely had reportedly started behaving erratically and showing aggression towards other passengers.
The unearthed full footage revealed passengers complimenting Penny for taking action. It also shows Penny and one other passenger arranging Neely's body in the "recovery position" in an attempt to ensure that he would be okay. A passenger off screen can be heard saying "he'll be alright." Neely appears to be moving late in the video.
The veteran Marine was taken into custody following the altercation, but was released.
https://thepostmillennial.com/break...neely-in-recovery-position-after-subduing-him
Katie Daviscourt (07 May 2023)
Full footage that emerged on social media this Sunday revealed that marine corps veteran Daniel Penny had placed Jordan Neely in a "recovery position" after subduing him on the New York City subway earlier this week.
Jordan Neely, a 30-year-old violent homeless man and repeat offender with over 40 prior arrests, died on Monday after Penny, 24, had placed him into a chokehold on the F train. Neely had reportedly started behaving erratically and showing aggression towards other passengers.
The unearthed full footage revealed passengers complimenting Penny for taking action. It also shows Penny and one other passenger arranging Neely's body in the "recovery position" in an attempt to ensure that he would be okay. A passenger off screen can be heard saying "he'll be alright." Neely appears to be moving late in the video.
The footage was discovered by Twitter account Mythinformed on Facebook.
Footage reveals former Marine Daniel Penny putting Jordan Neely in "recovery position" after subduing him
https://rumble.com/v2mkzss-new-foot...aniel-penny-putting-jordan-neely-in-reco.html
Penny had restrained Neely in a chokehold before he fell unconscious.
The former Marine was taken into custody following the incident, but was ultimately released.
New York's medical examiner determined that Jordan Neely died from "compresison of neck" and stated that his death was the result of "homicide."
The incident has since gone viral across social media, and sparked protests perpetuated by far-left activists, politicians, and Black Lives Matter throughout New York City.
Politicians like AOC and Ayanna Pressley have accused Daniel Perry of murdering an innocent black man suffering from a mental health crisis.
"This honestly feels like a new low: not being able to clearly condemn a public murder because the victim was of a social status some would deem 'too low' to care about. The last sentence is especially rich from an admin trying to cut the very services that could have helped him," AOC said.
On Saturday far-left activists and agitators swarmed the NYC subway, attempting to block trains, and erupting in violence.
Following the incident, woke NYC Comptroller Brad Lander decried the use of force, saying, "NYC is not Gotham. We must not become a city where a mentally ill human being can be choked to death by a vigilante without consequence."
On the other hand, former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik argued that people have the right to defend themselves, slamming Lander for failing to ensure that there were enough police officers on the subway.
Victims and witnesses have since come forward regarding Neely's history of violent behavior and aggression.
The night before Neely's death, a Reddit user claims that the violent homeless man attempted to shove an innocent individual waiting to board the train onto the train tracks.
Progressive DA Alvin Bragg is investigating the incident.
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Wrong argument that doesn't help Daniel Peters. This isn't about whether Jordan Neely "deserved to die." He didn't. It's whether Daniel Peters used excessive force under the circumstances. There are a lot of forces beyond Jordan Neely's control that led to this moment. He really was the happy talented (though mentally ill) young man doing the Michael Jackson impersonations on the subway until his mother was brutally murdered (ironically choked to death) by his step father. That would through a lot of people over the edge, let alone someone already marginal. His aunt begged the courts and doctors to do something about Jordan for years, but the problem wasn't taken care of. Daniel Peters didn't come to the conclusion that some people seem to be driving at that Jordan was some POS that needed to be culled. Daniel was trying to restrain Jordan but he used the wrong hold. I get it. I understand. In BJJ we are trained to go for a rear naked choke to get the tap and the win. I've never been in the military, but my guess is the marines are taught to take out the enemy as quickly and efficiently as possible, so again that would mean going for a rear naked choke. A seatbelt hold would have been more appropriate. One of the people that was holding Jordan's arms stated that he didn't see pressure on the neck. But a rear naked choke is more of a blood choke than an air choke. The pressure is on the side of the neck and not the trachea. So Jordan could have still been able to breath all while the blood supply was being cut off to his neck. I don't know enough about New York criminal law to know how all of this ties in. I am sure this was not premeditated murder. The video that [MENTION=28167]Occam's Banana[/MENTION] just posted shows Daniel trying to revive Jordan which contrasts his actions to those of Derick Chauvin who kept his knee on George Floyd's back/neck for 1 to 3 minutes after Floyd no longer had a pulse. It's not second degree murder. The most it can be is reckless homicide. I think the attempt to revive Neely would negate the reckless homicide charge too but I'm not sure.
Bottom line takeaway. If you aren't trying to kill someone in a self defense situation, don't use a chokehold. Use a restraint hold. If the self defense situation does justify the use of deadly force then all bets are off. A self defense situation generally warrants the use of deadly force to protect your life or the life of someone else. It doesn't matter whether the person you are using the force against is a saint or an shythead.
The backlash from the usual useful idiots makes me want this all to go away and excuse what happened here.
Which is exactly what my handlers want me to do to play my part.
Rational discourse will not be allowed.
That being said, society will go on without this man.
In fact, I'm sure that it is better off.
This is just another tragic story of a disturbed young man, made that way in the incubator of this great social experiment.
Which is exactly what my handlers want me to do to play my part.
Rational discourse will not be allowed.
That being said, society will go on without this man.
In fact, I'm sure that it is better off.
This is just another tragic story of a disturbed young man, made that way in the incubator of this great social experiment.
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Eh? What's that? I can't hear you...I'm being shot at.
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That's not the argument being made by the, mostly white, mostly female, Marxists in this situation.
Your statement is a rational, factual assessment of the situation, with which I mostly agree, except for the fact that the better solution all around would have been to use an OC spray and not go "hands on" at all.
No, what the Marxist left is saying is that Daniel Penny is a vicious sub human racist, no different from every other white person, that starts every day thinking about how to oppress and hurt colored people, and that this is just another incident in an endless line of attacks of bloodthirsty, scared, brutal white people against innocent and harmless colored people.
This line is repeated by every single Marxist media organ, bar none.
The inconvenient fact of the matter is, that while acknowledging that the vast majority of violent crime is intra-racial, meaning, victims and perpetrators of the same race, of crimes that ARE inter-racial, blacks committed over 4 times as many violent crimes against whites as whites committed against blacks as of 2018, the last date of full statistics that broke down Asian and non white Hispanics into different categories.
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Eh? What's that? I can't hear you...I'm being shot at.
I’ve been told repeatedly by the TV that there is a massive amount of hate crime against Asians, although they almost never mention who does the attacking. It’s usually preceded or followed by a story about evil white supremacy. The chart is missing that huge group of white on Asian crime…
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The Eff Bee Eye did not start reporting "Asians" in crime statistics until after 2018.
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