NY passes gay marriage

[Anti Federalist]

That ought to be nominated as one of the top threads of this here forum.

Agreed and bumped

 

[UWDude]

Speaking as a gay male, I'm a little annoyed by how much attention the issue is getting. You're telling me NY had no other pressing issues to tackle that they needed to do this now? I do view it positively, but it's little more then a publicity stunt by the legislature. Also amusing is the Democrats only allowed it to pass when the GOP controlled the legislature, surely so they could shift some of the "blame" their way.

I used to be really big on gay marriage, but I've grown convinced government is not the answer and should get out of marriage entirely. That's not likely to happen, so I don't really blame the push for gay marriage, though I view it as a bit misguided. But I can't really fault NY either. This will be a boost to the state economy, as many of the more... devoted? gays become willing to spend the "pink dollar" or whatever it's called nowadays. One of the big reasons I thought it was stupid California repealed it, but neither here nor their.

You immoral bastard!! You are ruining the country with your anti-freedom globalist agenda!! This isn't the communist forums, you pink pinko!!!11!

The gay community, at least the ones i know here in NYC, are very authoritarian and pro big Gov't, pro 'social justice', etc. Certainly no friends of the liberty movement and not fans of Ron Paul.

According to this guy, you don't even exist, pal!

while heterosexuality is almost looked down upon.

like Canada is almost on Mars

 

[AuH20]

You immoral bastard!! You are ruining the country with your anti-freedom globalist agenda!! This isn't the communist forums, you pink pinko!!!11!



You don't even exist, pal!

Weren't some of the most notorious Nazis homosexuals (Himmler)? I know it's coincidental but that gay RP supporter seems to be touching on something when discussing the authoritarian nature of urban homosexuals in NYC.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/37535

Be that as it may, let us return to the Third Reich. The Nazi movement really began when Hitler started to associate with Erich Roehm (Röhm) at a Bierkeller homosexual hangout in Munich. Author William Shirer in his classic “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” describes Roehm as “a stocky, bull-necked, piggish-eyed, scar-faced professional soldier…[and] like so many of the early Nazis, a homosexual.” Roehm was in anybody’s estimation a nasty, mean piece of work.

In 1923 Hitler, with the backing of Roehm’s SA (Stuermabteilung—Storm Troopers), attempted a coup on the government in Bavaria, Germany (the Beer Hall Putsch). The coup failed, and Hitler ended up spending nine months in prison, where he wrote his “textbook” for the coming fascist revolution, “Mein Kampf.”

Also jailed at the same prison were purportedly homosexual chauffeur, Emile Maurice, and close friend and aide, Rudolf Hess. Hess had nicknames among the Nazi inner circle such as “Fraulein Hess,” “Fraulein Anna,” “Fraulein Paula,” and “Black Emma.” Hess, like many homosexuals of the day, eventually married, but his wife complained that their love life was on a par with that of a “convent schoolgirl.”

Hitler’s infamous SA Brownshirt thugs, which Roehm led to a position of great power, were largely the creation of homosexual Gerhard Rossbach. Lively and Abrams write, “In the SA, the Hellenic model of masculine homosexual supremacy and militarism had finally been realized.”

Historian Louis Snyder observes that “what was needed, Roehm believed, was a proud and arrogant lot who could brawl, carouse, smash windows, kill and slaughter for the hell of it. Straights, in his eyes, were not as adept in such behavior as practicing homosexuals.” WW II correspondent H.R. Knickerbocker wrote, “unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual he had no chance of advancement.” Link

The homosexual Ludwig Lenz, who was one of the Fem homosexuals in charge of the ISR mentioned earlier, said of the Nazis “...not 10% of the men who, in 1933, took the fate of Germany into their hands, were sexually normal.” He would know, as many of the Nazi leaders had been under treatment at his clinic.

After Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in January of 1933, the SA exploded from a force of around 300,000 men to about 3,000,000 in a year’s time. This created some problems for Hitler, big problems. Certain powerful interests in Germany, including the Wehrmacht, told him in no uncertain terms that either Roehm went, or they would pull their support from Hitler.
The Night of the Long Knives, or the Roehm Purge

The result was “The Night of the Long Knives,” or the “Roehm Purge,” in which around 1,000 individuals, including Roehm, were murdered. Lively and Abrams note that “the Roehm Purge was not motivated by the homosexuality of its victims. The great majority of the victims were not homosexuals at all.” Hitler used the opportunity to rid himself of a number of political enemies—some homosexual, but most not.

Waiting in the wings was Heinrich Himmler and the SS (SchutzStaffel—Protection Squadron) who now came into their own. Himmler was deeply into the occult, and sent missions out around the world to track down various ancient artifacts (the inspiration behind the movie “Raiders of the Lost Ark”). Link

On a much more serious note, Himmler was in charge of the extermination of the Jews. The Nazis built around 10,000 work camps, in which many died, but they only built six concentration camps, or death camps, in which millions were murdered. The six killing centers were: Auschwitz-Birkenau, Sobidor, Chelmno, Belzec, Maidenek, and Treblinka. Link

Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe during WW II, had many photos and movies made of what the Allies found at the concentration camps. He knew human nature, and wanted records made because he believed that “the day will come when some son of a b—ch will say that this never happened.” Good call Dwight. Link Link

Homosexuals have taken to claiming to be victims of the Holocaust (Shoah), alongside the Jews. This is despicable nonsense. Less than 1% of Europe’s population of homosexuals were incarcerated by the Nazis (almost all of them Fems). The Jews, however, lost around 85% of their population, and they were almost invariably sent to one of the six extermination camps. The Nazi regime, for political reasons put on a facade of firm anti-homosexuality, but behind the facade it was a different story. As is always the case with the Far Left, it is not what they say, but what they do, you need to pay attention to. That their rhetoric is for show, misdirection, and cover is a given.

In a “Washington Blade” article, historian John Fouts reported that “about 50,000 men were imprisoned for homosexual ‘offences’ by the Nazis between 1933 and 1945. Most of them…were imprisoned for relatively short sentences and in regular German prisons, not concentration camps.” According to Lively and Abrams, perhaps as little as a few dozen, or a few hundred homosexuals were actually sent to a death camp. It is estimated that over 4,000,000 of the 6 million+ Jews killed in WW II were killed in the concentration camps. Link

The mind-boggling cruelty and ruthlessness of the Nazi death camps has been covered extensively elsewhere, so I feel no need to delve into it here, though I would like to point out a few facts. The bizarre and depraved atmosphere of Nazi fascism seems to have set free (or attract) an especially virulent form of sadism.

In his book “The Nazi Extermination of Homosexuals,” Frank Rector writes “As for the SS, their behavior was typical among those who engaged in sexual bestiality. An example is a film…that was secretly made for the pornographic enjoyment of a select coterie of Nazis showing a wild drunken orgy of beautiful boys and handsome young men being whipped, raped and murdered by the SS.” Purportedly, copies of this film are still making the rounds at certain exclusive circles in Europe.

 

[Justinjj1]

Don't worry, some of us are against gay acceptance. Paleo-con here.

AKA closet homosexual

 

[UWDude]

Weren't some of the most notorious Nazis homosexuals (Himmler)?

LoL. Yes. So was Socrates and Plato and Michelangelo and probably Alexander the Great. Sometimes powerful people are gay. Sometimes people have doors opened to them because there are secret or quiet gay social circles. Same thing with Christians, Muslims, cocaine users, Scientologists, Jews, remote control car enthusiasts and bikers.

Funnily, my modern German History professor's specialty was sexuality in Modern Germany, so we went over this topic quite a bit. Indeed, the pink triangle is what gay people were forced to wear in concentration camps.

But I'm really not sure what the point is, homosexuals were both Nazis and victims of Nazis.. ...ok. What does that have to do with gay marriage?

And let's just be clear, there are PLENTY of gay libertarians.

 

[scottditzen]

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Gays can live whatever kind of lifestyle they want to live free of government interference. However, they don't have the right to change our customs and traditions as a country.

Customs and traditions change all the time.

There's no inherent right for things to stay the same.

 

[AuH20]

LoL. Yes. So was Socrates and Plato and Michelangelo and probably Alexander the Great. Sometimes powerful people are gay. Sometimes people have doors opened to them because there are secret or quiet gay social circles. Same thing with Christians, Muslims, cocaine users, Scientologists, Jews, remote control car enthusiasts and bikers.

Funnily, my modern German History professor's specialty was sexuality in Modern Germany, so we went over this topic quite a bit. Indeed, the pink triangle is what gay people were forced to wear in concentration camps.

But I'm really not sure what the point is, homosexuals were both Nazis and victims of Nazis.. ...ok. What does that have to do with gay marriage?

And let's just be clear, there are PLENTY of gay libertarians.

Perhaps, at that time in history, the alienation by society at large and the accumulation of repressed emotions leads to an increased inferiority complex, which in turn can be transformed into extremely narcissistic behavior, one of the trademarks of the Third Reich.

 

[ronpaulitician]

Customs and traditions change all the time.

There's no inherent right for things to stay the same.

Especially government-imposed inequality.

 

[UWDude]

Perhaps, at that time in history, the alienation by society at large and the accumulation of repressed emotions leads to an increased inferiority complex, which in turn can be transformed into extremely narcissistic behavior, one of the trademarks of the Third Reich.

The vast majority of nazis were straight.

 

[AuH20]

The vast majority of nazis were straight.

Maybe the footsoldiers, but not the command/control cabal based on reports.

 

[UWDude]

Maybe the footsoldiers, but not the command/control cabal based on reports.

Reports from who?

My professor, (and I assure you, her specialty was sexuality) never mentioned such notions. And I also assure you, we went over the homosexuality thing, both in Nazi imagery and propaganda, and the imprisonment of homosexuals. But, I would think she would have mentioned that the majority were gay.

Seriously, you need to stop godwynning the thread on such spurious and sparse evidence.

 

[Danke]

Reports from who?

My professor, (and I assure you, her specialty was sexuality)...

"was"? What happen?

 

[UWDude]

"was"? What happen?

She's not my professor anymore. Hence my consistent use of the past-tense.

 

[Danke]

She's not my professor anymore. Hence my consistent use of the past-tense.

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I thought maybe you had something to do with it.

 

[YumYum]

lol, you know YumYum just makes shit up about his life/experiences, right?

You're just jealous Danke because you wish you had a gay goat.

 

[vab0914]

I was just wondering how this is not a victory for personal liberty?
Assuming liberty defenders believe everyone is responsible for their own person, then everyone should also be allowed to marry who they want, or is my logic flawed?
Just as an adult makes their own choice about raw milk or marijuana, why cannot two consenting adults make the choice to get married?
That is pure gender discrimination and nothing else. To be against same sex marriage seems just as silly as being against interracial marriage, to me.
I would like to hear arguments against this. Where is the harm to society or otherwise?

 

[nobody's_hero]

I've yet to see how this 'forces' a belief on anyone.

I hate to tell you, but if this law was supposed to make everyone believe that gay marriage was okay, judging by some comments here on this thread, it FAILED miserably.

Perhaps, though, the law's intent was not to change minds, coercively or otherwise.

 

[Don Lapre]

I was just wondering how this is not a victory for personal liberty?

It's not a victory for personal liberty because LIBERTY would be the state being completely OUT of the marriage business.

The state is already eyeballs deep in our business by being IN the marriage business, and now, by adding b*ttf*cking deviants to their marriage logs, they've taken a bad situation (state involved in marriage) and created a HUGE clusterfuck of complication and implication.

Just wait and watch what happens a few years down the road.

The implications of fundamentally changing the definition of marriage - legally, economically, and socially, are enormous.

NO friend to liberty.

 

[Brett85]

I was just wondering how this is not a victory for personal liberty?
Assuming liberty defenders believe everyone is responsible for their own person, then everyone should also be allowed to marry who they want, or is my logic flawed?
Just as an adult makes their own choice about raw milk or marijuana, why cannot two consenting adults make the choice to get married?
That is pure gender discrimination and nothing else. To be against same sex marriage seems just as silly as being against interracial marriage, to me.
I would like to hear arguments against this. Where is the harm to society or otherwise?

Gays could marry each other before. They could have their own private marriage ceremony at a church or wherever else, and they wouldn't get arrested for it. But now, taxpayers are basically forced to subsidize their marriage. Religious people who object to homosexuality are being forced to send their tax dollars to something that they strongly disagree with.

 

[amy31416]

Gays could marry each other before. They could have their own private marriage ceremony at a church or wherever else, and they wouldn't get arrested for it. But now, taxpayers are basically forced to subsidize their marriage. Religious people who object to homosexuality are being forced to send their tax dollars to something that they strongly disagree with.

By the same token, weren't homosexuals forced to subsidize heterosexual marriage?