NY passes gay marriage

[Echoes]

Shows you are very biased and wrong.

In a stateless society there would be multiple churches who would grant gays marriage. The only reason gays have not had the right to marry up until now was BECAUSE of government force.

What the ..? LOL

A few 'churches' do give them out, very few though--the fringe of the fringe, And Gov't doesnt prevent any churches, i dont know where you came up with that. Btw, i wasnt even referring to just Christianity, but folks in general throughout the world. The pro gay 'marriage' ppl are terrified of the free-market lol

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

You are arguing for more government. As long as you understand that, ok.

I am arguing for abolishment of government sanctioned marriage.

Government is discriminatory. That is what government does...it discriminates based on greed and political expedience. That is why there needs to be less involvement in everything, including marriage.


Where have people's libertarianism gone? I'll tell you where it has gone: it has been sacrificed at the altar of secularism. You hate the Lord so much that, just like with public schools teaching evolution only, you will accept the socialization because you love the idol of your own mind --secularism.

This is why it is very plain to see that secularists cannot be principled libertarians.

Your screeds are funny, and brighten my day.

This new policy is just as discriminatory as the old using your arguments. After all polygamist (Biblically sanction) get thrown in prison while sodomists get a benefit. Where is the "fairness" in that?

Correct. Not only that, but non-married couples and individuals are still getting the shaft.

Then you shouldn't want the government to discriminate against polygamists, animal lovers, NAMBLA types, etc.

We've gone over this before. Animals and six year old children cannot enter into contracts as a consenting adult.

Just get rid of the income tax, and the tax issue would be solved.

Correct. However, visitation rights and other financial benefits are still an issue.

You can enter into a contract with whoever you want to, but that doesn't mean that the government has to enforce the contract.

The government's role is to enforce contracts between consenting individuals. Why have a government if it isn't going to do that?

It is no less virtuous to ban people from marrying than it is to force third parties to accept a couple as married who otherwise would not accept the validity of their marriage.

Get the government out of marriage, entirely. Marriage is between two people and an institution that will contractually wed them, and everyone else should have the freedom to recognize the contract at their own discretion.

Marriage is between consenting individuals who wish to share their life(s) together, or whatever construct they employ. No person, groups of persons, or institution has the right to deny them that choice. The government's role in this is to enforce the contract between consenting individuals until consent is revoked.

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

What the ..? LOL

A few 'churches' do give them out, very few though--the fringe of the fringe, And Gov't doesnt prevent any churches, i dont know where you came up with that. Btw, i wasnt even referring to just Christianity, but folks in general throughout the world. The pro gay 'marriage' ppl are terrified of the free-market lol

Why would supporters of gay marriage be terrified of the "free market" (which in reality doesn't even exist, and never will as long as there's a state around)? The "free market" (hypothetically) would provide every opportunity for homosexuals to be married by catering to homosexual clients/customers. I don't see how this situation could ever possibly disturb your personal life.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

I am arguing for abolishment of government sanctioned marriage.



Your screeds are funny, and brighten my day.



Correct. Not only that, but non-married couples and individuals are still getting the shaft.



We've gone over this before. Animals and six year old children cannot enter into contracts as a consenting adult.



Correct. However, visitation rights and other financial benefits are still an issue.



The government's role is to enforce contracts between consenting individuals. Why have a government if it isn't going to do that?



Marriage is between consenting individuals who wish to share their life(s) together, or whatever construct they employ. No person, groups of persons, or institution has the right to deny them that choice. The government's role in this is to enforce the contract between consenting individuals until consent is revoked.

Pretty much everything you've said.

And FWIW, I think that single parents and divorced parents are far more harmful in breaking up the family unit then gay marriage.

 

[RP Supporter]

Speaking as a gay male, I'm a little annoyed by how much attention the issue is getting. You're telling me NY had no other pressing issues to tackle that they needed to do this now? I do view it positively, but it's little more then a publicity stunt by the legislature. Also amusing is the Democrats only allowed it to pass when the GOP controlled the legislature, surely so they could shift some of the "blame" their way.

I used to be really big on gay marriage, but I've grown convinced government is not the answer and should get out of marriage entirely. That's not likely to happen, so I don't really blame the push for gay marriage, though I view it as a bit misguided. But I can't really fault NY either. This will be a boost to the state economy, as many of the more... devoted? gays become willing to spend the "pink dollar" or whatever it's called nowadays. One of the big reasons I thought it was stupid California repealed it, but neither here nor their.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I am arguing for abolishment of government sanctioned marriage.

Huh? Did you change positions or something? Because what I read was you arguing for gay marriage.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Not everyone is of the opinion that two guys playing footsies is immoral.

Or that this is 'forced acceptance', for that matter.

 

[AZKing]

The gay community, at least the ones i know here in NYC, are very authoritarian and pro big Gov't, pro 'social justice', etc. Certainly no friends of the liberty movement and not fans of Ron Paul.

Perhaps if the socons hadn't spent decades slandering/vilifying gays, there wouldn't be such a concentration of gays that are liberal/democrat.

Besides that, it's NYC... not like the people there are friends of the liberty movement period, regardless of sexual orientation.

 

[Theocrat]

Nature vs. Nurture

The government banning gays from getting a marriage license is identical to if the government banned black people from getting a business license. Sure, we libertarians would like to do away with government licensing altogether, but so long as the government does license stuff, it ought to be non-discriminatory.

You're comparing apples and oranges. It's one thing to ban someone from something based on the color of his skin, which he cannot help. But it's another thing to ban someone from something based on his preference, which he chooses.

 

[libertybrewcity]

the government shouldn't be involved in marriage.

 

[reillym]

You're comparing apples and oranges. It's one thing to ban someone from something based on the color of his skin, which he cannot help. But it's another thing to ban someone from something based on his preference, which he chooses.

Please, nobody else on this forum agrees with your bigoted hate speech. Homosexuality isn't a choice, science says so. I guess all those gay dolphins are choosing too? Gay monkeys?

Shut up bigot.

 

[erowe1]

Please, nobody else on this forum agrees with your bigoted hate speech. Homosexuality isn't a choice, science says so. I guess all those gay dolphins are choosing too? Gay monkeys?

Shut up bigot.

Science says this? Really?

And disagreeing with that is bigoted hate speech?

 

[BlackTerrel]

What's wrong with putting pineapple in your mouth?

Do you like fish sticks? You like putting fish sticks in your mouth?

 

[BamaAla]

The government banning gays from getting a marriage license is identical to if the government banned black people from getting a business license.

Basically this is the religious rights logic (excuse) on gay marriage: The government should not be involved in providing education, therefore the right to grant Blacks entry into public schools is a blow to freedom (when in reality it was a win for freedom).

Please, nobody else on this forum agrees with your bigoted hate speech. Homosexuality isn't a choice, science says so.

Shut up bigot.

Really guys? For opposing bigger government?

 

[Meatwasp]

Please remember the gays forced the schools, (though government pressure to teach kids the Gay life style is a Healthy alternative. What other agenda will they want to use government to push what they believe? Next namba?

 

[dejavu22]

LOL!! I especially feel bad for the person who marries a pineapple that is into sodomy.

What's wrong with putting pineapple in your mouth?

Um... sodomy is not exactly that hole but... whatever floats your boat.

Whether it is a choice or not is not really my problem. If it is something physiological and someone cannot help but be gay then it is the same as being born black but if it is a choice i see it the same as i look at drug use. It is not a choice that i would make but everyone has the right to make that choice for themselves. That is why i oppose the war on drugs, like the gay issue my opinion on the subject doesn't matter because i have no right to make that choice for other people so long as I am not caused harm by it. So far as i know 2 guys getting married cant possibly harm me so my opinion on their marriage is of no consequence.

 

[madfoot]

NY sucks, it's a socialist state with no freedom for anyone, unless you happen to be in an alternate marriage. Only in a rouge state can you be denied your Constitutional right to buy a gun without restrictions, yet legally marry with no problem if you're both the same sex. The state legislature can go to Hell. Seeing people support this here makes me want to seriously reconsider any connections to libertarians. The Constitution Party would never tolerate this.

The Constitution Party wouldn't tolerate this because they're f--king fascists. I live in NY and it's just fine here.

 

[sorianofan]

Marriage is not a state issue unlike abortion. Abortion is an act of murder, gay marriage is a matter of personal morality--the something the state has no role is regulating.

 

[Vessol]

The Constitution Party wouldn't tolerate this because they're f--king fascists. I live in NY and it's just fine here.

Says the guy who thinks that the government should mandate vacation time

Is this one of the shortcomings libertarian policy-making? I certainly don't see the tyranny in seeing that employees are guaranteed a certain amount of vacation time.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Says the guy who thinks that the government should mandate vacation time

lolz...madfoot's been pwned!