Now we're at war with...... Somalia!

[Pericles]

It seems really inefficient to fly a multi-million dollar aircraft half way around the world and drop a 6 figure munition on somebody who is in a part of the world where I bet you could get just about anybody whacked for $5K or less.....

 

[affa]

What the hell! Why aren't we out on the streets protesting these unconstitutional wars??? Where the hell is Code Pink??? Oh, that's right. They weren't really anti-war, they were just anti-Republican. Years from now history is going to look back on us and ask why the American people did nothing while millions of lives have been lost in these senseless wars! The only way people would take to the streets now, is if there was a draft. If we keep stretching our military this thin, the draft may not be that far behind.

Not that I know anything about Code Pink, because I don't, but most of the anti-war activists I do know during Bush years are -extremely- unhappy with Obama. It's a terrible mistake to write them off - it's not about being anti-republican -- you're absolutely wrong on that point. It's abotu being anti-war.

 

[oyarde]

So this makes it quite questionable that the "rebellion" in Libya was a genuine revolution of any sort. It also shows that Obama is playing right along as a continuation of the Bush Administration.

Very disturbing when you give it even the smallest contemplation. There is nothing so low, so criminal, that these people in our government won't stoop to.

The Libya thing is past questionable , Somalia as well....

 

[oyarde]

wesley clark and "the list". that's all fine and dandy. WTF was the guy doing WHILE he was an officer? upholding the constitution? methinks not. funny how he came to say all he did when it benefited him politically, eh?

i'll say it again: this is ALL about self interest. down to the last jot and tittle. from the secdef to the lowly lieutenant. self interest. they will follow the orders that the commander in chief gives, no matter the order. everybody needs a job, right?

edit: think about this, too. career military breeds military families. now these guys have the support of their families as a "concern". it's not easy finding a job, and nobody wants to be thrown in jail for insubordination. follow your orders, major!!

what a tangled web...

I too , am very suspect of Clark , always have been. Always an officer with political ambition ....

 

[oyarde]

It seems really inefficient to fly a multi-million dollar aircraft half way around the world and drop a 6 figure munition on somebody who is in a part of the world where I bet you could get just about anybody whacked for $5K or less.....

The al shababb pay the kids $50 a month to kill other Somalians ....

 

[oyarde]

That $50 a month is the going rate for a "good" job , if there were any jobs in a place where electricity is provided by generator .

 

[oyarde]

I really doubt they would listen to me.

Wish they would.

 

[oyarde]

So this makes it quite questionable that the "rebellion" in Libya was a genuine revolution of any sort. It also shows that Obama is playing right along as a continuation of the Bush Administration.

Very disturbing when you give it even the smallest contemplation. There is nothing so low, so criminal, that these people in our government won't stoop to.

Wait til they find out what a great bunch of guys the "rebels" turn out to be to replace the other great guy....

 

[oyarde]

And who gave this thing five stars ???

 

[oyarde]

There is nothing in the Land of Punt that rates one star , except some pre AD ruins .

 

[oyarde]

Well , I think I am about out for the Holiday. I wish everyone a safe and happy Independance Day .

 

[Brett85]

someone's always with the advocacy. the devil's advocate loves the slippery slope.

the "idea of killing individual", eh? i have a problem with that in a lot of ways, but i'll stick with this: were these "individual terrorists" an imminent threat to the security of the US? i'll throw a wider net... were they an imminent threat against national interests in somalia. how about wider... maybe they were presenting an imminent threat to US national interests interests in africa?

so i'll ask: when does it stop? when do the excuses and rationalization of tyranny end? when do we, as individuals, get over the idea that the US military is being used to provide us with a safer nation???

Since Al-Quaeda attacked us on 9-11, I think it's morally justified to respond to the attacks and kill members of Al-Qaeda. Yes, I understand the whole blowback theory, but I still think we have the right to defend ourselves and respond to attacks on our own soil. I'm 100% opposed to using our military to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, and I support withdrawing from those countries immediately. It's ridiculous to use our military to build infrastructure in those countries. As an alternative, I believe that we should use our intelligence capabilities to locate members of Al-Quaeda, and we should take them out either through drone strikes or special operation forces. This would be a much more efficient and cost effective option than nation building in the Middle East.

 

[Pericles]

I too , am very suspect of Clark , always have been. Always an officer with political ambition ....

If not for Bill Clinton, Clark would have had a career end at 2 stars.

 

[pcosmar]

Since Al-Quaeda attacked us on 9-11, I think it's morally justified to respond to the attacks and kill members of Al-Qaeda. Yes, I understand the whole blowback theory, but I still think we have the right to defend ourselves and respond to attacks on our own soil. I'm 100% opposed to using our military to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, and I support withdrawing from those countries immediately. It's ridiculous to use our military to build infrastructure in those countries. As an alternative, I believe that we should use our intelligence capabilities to locate members of Al-Quaeda, and we should take them out either through drone strikes or special operation forces. This would be a much more efficient and cost effective option than nation building in the Middle East.

Actually, in Lybia we are supporting *Al Quaeda.

*assuming you actually believe in the boogieman

 

[Brett85]

Actually, in Lybia we are supporting Al Quaeda.

I don't support the war in Libya. I'm trying to differentiate between attacking countries and killing individual terrorists. I don't have a problem with the latter since we were attacked. I'm against pre-emptive war, but when we get attacked we have to respond in some way.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I don't support the war in Libya. I'm trying to differentiate between attacking countries and killing individual terrorists. I don't have a problem with the latter since we were attacked. I'm against pre-emptive war, but when we get attacked we have to respond in some way.

Yes, but the proper way to do it (for the time being) is issuance of letters of marque and reprisal. This is why RP is correct in calling the WoT a hostile invasion rather than a war.

 

[Brett85]

Yes, but the proper way to do it (for the time being) is issuance of letters of marque and reprisal. This is why RP is correct in calling the WoT a hostile invasion rather than a war.

Do letters of marque and reprisal allow our military to kill individual terrorists? Or does it just apply to private citizens?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Do letters of marque and reprisal allow our military to kill individual terrorists? Or does it just apply to private citizens?

M&R seems to have allowed Thomas Jefferson to deploy the Marines to Tripoli during the Barbary Pirates "war." That was never one of the things that TJ has been accused of violating the Constitution for, so I would assume yes. It should be just a simple matter of what authority Congress includes within the letters of M&R.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

M&R seems to have allowed Thomas Jefferson to deploy the Marines to Tripoli during the Barbary Pirates "war." That was never one of the things that TJ has been accused of violating the Constitution for, so I would assume yes. It should be just a simple matter of what authority Congress includes within the letters of M&R.

Excellent answer ^^

 

[pcosmar]

Do letters of marque and reprisal allow our military to kill individual terrorists? Or does it just apply to private citizens?

No, it has nothing to do with Military.
it allows private individuals to recoup losses.