No One But Paul. I meant it.

[mport1]

If anything, just vote for Gary Johnson. Write-ins are silly.

Voting in general is silly. If you are going to vote, it might as well be writing in somebody who has principles like Ron Paul instead of Gary Johnson.

 

[Captain Shays]

Voting in general is silly. If you are going to vote, it might as well be writing in somebody who has principles like Ron Paul instead of Gary Johnson.

What? Now all of a sudden Gary Johnson doesn't have any principles? BUNK

 

[Captain Shays]

Wow i made a post on here last night saying the reason to vote libertarian is that if we get 5% of the national vote the party gets 20million in federal campaign funds like the other 2 big parties. That voting for RP is a protest vote and doesnt advance anything.

Well that post gets deleted by a moderator because he doesnt like what other people have to say. These forums are to promote liberty! I gave a lot of time and money to RP's campaign but a write in campaign is just a protest vote that doesnt help spread the liberty message. Ron Paul ran for president as a libertarian in 88. He believes in the party's message. He certainly wouldnt advocate for deleting a post just because you dont like what someone has to say. Thats what a draconian government does.

Also. What will you do next election if RP doesnt run? Will you write him in then as well?

My post got deleted too and it wasn't at all offensive or "rule" breaking

 

[sailingaway]

What? Now all of a sudden Gary Johnson doesn't have any principles? BUNK

Look, there is a 2012 candidate section for discussing who to vote for. This subforum is Ron Paul's supporters' club house to support Ron. You are welcome here, but everyone here knows the arguments about GJ now and if they are still writing in Ron, they have rejected them, or at least aren't perusing that HERE. Ron has this forum for his supporters to have a place to support him, not have to spend all their time arguing about why, to people who want us to vote for someone else.

Gary Johnson posts come up in new posts and if the people here wanted to discuss voting for him, they would click on those. If people don't WANT to vote for Johnson and DO want to vote for the person this forum was created to support, quit trying to argue them out of it in Ron's forum. This is positively annoying at this point and the same two arguments are made on every page of virtually every post about writing Ron in.

 

[sailingaway]

My post got deleted too and it wasn't at all offensive or "rule" breaking

It was in the wrong forum. It was moved to a thread of posts in 2012 candidates which were made in the wrong forum

 

[sailingaway]

What? Now all of a sudden Gary Johnson doesn't have any principles? BUNK

In the sense of a code, the Constitution or whatever that he works from every time, so not just his initial stances but also his fall back positions, which is where policy is really made, are consistently predictable, he doesn't seem to. A cost benefit analysis essentially makes change where the opposition allows it, because they can make it too 'costly' in a different area, imho. But I am not trying to argue you out of voting for Johnson, even in 2012 candidates I'm not trying to do that. I am saying leave people alone in Ron's subforum who want to vote for Ron, and quit badgering them about a candidate they aren't interested in.

 

[sailingaway]

Also. What will you do next election if RP doesnt run? Will you write him in then as well?

I will make my own decision about my vote then, as well.

Also, note that this is private property. So government action isn't an issue.

 

[Captain Shays]

In the sense of a code, the Constitution or whatever that he works from every time, so not just his initial stances but also his fall back positions, which is where policy is really made, are consistently predictable, he doesn't seem to. A cost benefit analysis essentially makes change where the opposition allows it, because they can make it too 'costly' in a different area, imho. But I am not trying to argue you out of voting for Johnson, even in 2012 candidates I'm not trying to do that. I am saying leave people alone in Ron's subforum who want to vote for Ron, and quit badgering them about a candidate they aren't interested in.

I didn't "badger" anybody

 

[sailingaway]

I didn't "badger" anybody

It isn't just you, it is a swarm for the last month and a half.

And if Ron Paul supporters are having a 'cheering for voting for Ron Paul' thread in Ron's own subforum, coming in to argue people out of it with the same arguments that weren't persuasive the first couple dozen times is really annoying.

 

[sailingaway]

 

[mport1]

What? Now all of a sudden Gary Johnson doesn't have any principles? BUNK

Nope. He is just a Republican with a few liberal leanings on social issues. He favors the "Fair" Tax, humanitarian wars, and is not in favor of legalizing all drugs. He also does not understand or embrace the non-aggression principle, describing libertarianism as "fiscally responsible and socially tolerant." He has a consequentialist world view, supporting things based on a cost-benefit analysis, and not on morality. On top of all that, his unfamiliarity with the Austrian school of economics and support of people in Chicago school like Milton Friedman is pretty troubling.

http://communities.washingtontimes....te/2012/aug/13/gary-johnson-fake-libertarian/
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/06/how-libertarian-is-gary-johnson.html
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/08/gary-johnson-does-national-press-club.html

 

[ebod]

Dr. Paul is eligible or in some states certified as a write-in candidate in 11 states :
States: AL, DE, IA, NH, NJ, PA, RI, VT, WI, recently Maine and yesterday California was certified.
In the states listed, varying levels of activism are required for write-in votes to count, from running a slate of official presidential electors to simply writing in the candidate. You should check with your Secretary of State or Registrar of Voters as to how votes are counted ie. as "other" or by name. They should also be able to assist you with how to fill out your ballot.

In California each county uses a different ballot format, you may want to check with your Registrar of Voters as to how to properly write-in your vote should you choose to vote for Ron Paul. Also, each polling place is required to have a list of the certified write-in candidates and should be able to assist you if needed.

Some are suggesting that you make a photograph of your ballot to verify your vote. I like the idea someone had of dedicating a post to show our write-in vote for Ron Paul, President.

 

[Captain Shays]

Nope. He is just a Republican with a few liberal leanings on social issues. He favors the "Fair" Tax, humanitarian wars, and is not in favor of legalizing all drugs. He also does not understand or embrace the non-aggression principle, describing libertarianism as "fiscally responsible and socially tolerant." He has a consequentialist world view, supporting things based on a cost-benefit analysis, and not on morality. On top of all that, his unfamiliarity with the Austrian school of economics and support of people in Chicago school like Milton Friedman is pretty troubling.

http://communities.washingtontimes....te/2012/aug/13/gary-johnson-fake-libertarian/
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/06/how-libertarian-is-gary-johnson.html
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/08/gary-johnson-does-national-press-club.html

Two things. I have heard Ron Paul mention going to war for our allies before. Of course with a declaration of war. But that abandons a non aggression principle too. I also heard him when asked about the Fairtax that he would go for it if we repealed the 16th Amendment for fear of having both. But he also said that the best way would be to end the income tax and replace it with nothing. But of all the tax proposals he prefers the Fiartax about them all.

 

[sailingaway]

Dr. Paul is eligible or in some states certified as a write-in candidate in 11 states :
States: AL, DE, IA, NH, NJ, PA, RI, VT, WI, recently Maine and yesterday California was certified.
In the states listed, varying levels of activism are required for write-in votes to count, from running a slate of official presidential electors to simply writing in the candidate. You should check with your Secretary of State or Registrar of Voters as to how votes are counted ie. as "other" or by name. They should also be able to assist you with how to fill out your ballot.

In California each county uses a different ballot format, you may want to check with your Registrar of Voters as to how to properly write-in your vote should you choose to vote for Ron Paul. Also, each polling place is required to have a list of the certified write-in candidates and should be able to assist you if needed.

Some are suggesting that you make a photograph of your ballot to verify your vote. I like the idea someone had of dedicating a post to show our write-in vote for Ron Paul, President.

You are missing at least Washington where if he wins it will be counted if people write in Republican (party) and his FULL name Ronald Earnest Paul. I think Washington DC as well allows write ins. Not sure if there are others.

In my county (Los Angeles) the ballot SLEEVE was where you wrote in the position (President) and candidate (Ron Paul). The instructions were write on the sleeve and also on the ballot booklet by the presidential vote section. He is certified as 'Ron Paul' here and writing that in is supposed to also pick up VP but if you want to put in VP you can put Andrew Napolitano who is certified as his VP.

But you have to be careful NOT TO also mark a presidential candidate on the ballot or it is an overvote and your presidential vote would be thrown out

 

[sailingaway]

Two things. I have heard Ron Paul mention going to war for our allies before. Of course with a declaration of war. But that abandons a non aggression principle too. I also heard him when asked about the Fairtax that he would go for it if we repealed the 16th Amendment for fear of having both. But he also said that the best way would be to end the income tax and replace it with nothing. But of all the tax proposals he prefers the Fiartax about them all.

I don't think that last is true. He said he would vote for anything that lowered the burden but most of the proposals were shell games taking away deductions and coming up with a higher overall tax and you have to watch out for that. He did say he would probably vote for the Fair tax if it actually got rid of the income tax, but the new version of the fairtax as I understand it doesn't get rid of the income tax. It is supposed to be 'transitional' but I don't believe in 'transitional' taxes, personally. However, this discussion doesn't belong here.

 

[Captain Shays]

I don't think that last is true. He said he would vote for anything that lowered the burden but most of the proposals were shell games taking away deductions and coming up with a higher overall tax and you have to watch out for that. He did say he would probably vote for the Fair tax if it actually got rid of the income tax, but the new version of the fairtax as I understand it doesn't get rid of the income tax. It is supposed to be 'transitional' but I don't believe in 'transitional' taxes, personally. However, this discussion doesn't belong here.

Thats pretty much what I said. He expressed a concern that he woujldn't support it unless the 16th Amendment was repealed first but he did say that of all the other tax proposals he preferred the Fairtax especially over the flat tax.

Why don't you just allow discussions to evolve naturally?

 

[sailingaway]

Thats pretty much what I said. He expressed a concern that he woujldn't support it unless the 16th Amendment was repealed first but he did say that of all the other tax proposals he preferred the Fairtax especially over the flat tax.

Why don't you just allow discussions to evolve naturally?

They can in a thread about that in the right place, but a thread on a topic is supposed to be about that topic. Constant solicitations for something you already know you don't want are unpleasant.

The difference between what you said and what I said is I think Ron rejects the current version of the Fair Tax which I believe has an income tax AND a sales tax.

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[Dogsoldier]

Now were deleting peoples posts?Whats going on?

 

[CaseyJones]

Now were deleting peoples posts?Whats going on?

no they were moved to the thread you just posted in