No One But Paul. I meant it.

[jcannon98188]

This seems familiar .. oh yeah ... Obamney: The Mandated Choice 2012

Except in this case, there actually is a clear 'step in the right direction' with Obamney, no matter what way you vote, nothing is changing

 

[RonPaulwillWin]

Can I legally write in Ron Paul in california? If not I'm voting for GJ.

 

[sailingaway]

Can I legally write in Ron Paul in california? If not I'm voting for GJ.

[edit - YES Ron Paul is a certified write in candidate in California]

Obviously, it is never illegal to write him in. It will also be counted at minimum in a 'none of the above' category they call 'other'. If Johnson is closer to your feelings than none of the above, you can check the Secretary of State web page after October 26 when they certify candidates to see if they certified him. I feel sure he will have the necessary 55 electors sign for him, but I am not sure he will have 55 with the same VP and don't know if the Secretary of State's office will take the position he shouldn't be certified if a VP isn't certified with him. I've sent an email stating my belief that he should be certified, without a VP in that case, but if that is where things stand, they may not agree with me.

But if you want to be absolutely sure it will be for a certified write in candidate, you can check the secretary of state's web page after Oct 26.

I'm voting for Ron regardless, because for me, none of the above is the second most accurate vote I can cast.

 

[Captain Shays]

Your first reason makes no sense to me. Since when did the popular vote ever elect a President?

I re-read my post and for some reason I don't see where I said anything about a popular vote electing a president. I also know that I wasn't even thinking that when I wrote that post. So my question is, where are you getting this from?

 

[Captain Shays]

OK someone told me last night that unless Ron Paul files for write in votes, even in states like my own here in New Jersey where they do allow write in's it won't be counted simply because he didn't file. Thats yet another reason for me changing my mind about writing in Ron Paul and voting instead for GJ.
All I really want besides to stick it up the GOP's and the two party crimocracy's asses is for my vote to be counted so they KNOW who I am and where I stand. I really really hope to God that so many people come out and vote third party to put the power grabbers on notice that eventually we're coming after them and we will take their power structures from them some day.

 

[specialkornflake]

I will be voting for Gary Johnson to make things better for the Libertarian Party in the future, to count a protest vote, and to hopefully spoil the election for Romney!

 

[sailingaway]

OK someone told me last night that unless Ron Paul files for write in votes, even in states like my own here in New Jersey where they do allow write in's it won't be counted simply because he didn't file. Thats yet another reason for me changing my mind about writing in Ron Paul and voting instead for GJ.
All I really want besides to stick it up the GOP's and the two party crimocracy's asses is for my vote to be counted so they KNOW who I am and where I stand. I really really hope to God that so many people come out and vote third party to put the power grabbers on notice that eventually we're coming after them and we will take their power structures from them some day.

Again, write in votes if they are not counted for the particular candidate at least are counted in the 'none of the above' category, so it is whether that better expresses your views of if voting for Gary when you want Ron better expresses your views. If you WANT Gary, I can see that but I don't see why I would vote for someone else who isn't going to win, when he isn't even the candidate I want.

But you should vote exactly as you feel best voting.

 

[Madison320]

OK, I'm going to piss everyone off here. To me the idea of "Ron Paul or Nothing" is too cult like. The point is to maximize liberty, not be a huge fan of one guy. A vote for Gary Johnson will clearly help the cause of liberty more than a write in vote for Ron Paul by keeping the LP on the ballot.

Consider this scenario. Romney gets elected. Dollar crashes hard and the economy is a disaster. People are confused, neither party seems to be able to solve the problem or make any sense. Someone famous with a lot of money runs as the LP candidate. He/she could get a lot of votes.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Again, write in votes if they are not counted for the particular candidate at least are counted in the 'none of the above' category, so it is whether that better expresses your views of if voting for Gary when you want Ron better expresses your views. If you WANT Gary, I can see that but I don't see why I would vote for someone else who isn't going to win, when he isn't even the candidate I want.

In NC that is certainly the case. They will give the number of write-ins but only count them for specific people if they register for the write in.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

OK, I'm going to piss everyone off here. To me the idea of "Ron Paul or Nothing" is too cult like. The point is to maximize liberty, not be a huge fan of one guy. A vote for Gary Johnson will clearly help the cause of liberty more than a write in vote for Ron Paul by keeping the LP on the ballot.

Consider this scenario. Romney gets elected. Dollar crashes hard and the economy is a disaster. People are confused, neither party seems to be able to solve the problem or make any sense. Someone famous with a lot of money runs as the LP candidate. He/she could get a lot of votes.

And pretty much everyone here would vote for that person barring some traumatic violation of principle.

 

[sailingaway]

OK, I'm going to piss everyone off here. To me the idea of "Ron Paul or Nothing" is too cult like. The point is to maximize liberty, not be a huge fan of one guy. A vote for Gary Johnson will clearly help the cause of liberty more than a write in vote for Ron Paul by keeping the LP on the ballot.

Consider this scenario. Romney gets elected. Dollar crashes hard and the economy is a disaster. People are confused, neither party seems to be able to solve the problem or make any sense. Someone famous with a lot of money runs as the LP candidate. He/she could get a lot of votes.

I really have a problem with Johnson people coming into Ron's forum and calling Ron's supporters cultlike for wanting to vote for Ron. Vote for Gary if you like. I think it is a suboptimal decision, but I don't go everywhere telling people not to do it.

Note that the last presidential candidate the LP put out was Barr, and the current one is Johnson. Supposing you don't think either does as much as voting for Ron Paul, perhaps LP would have to field more principled candidates to capture our votes. Not a bad thing to encourage, imho, entirely apart from the fact that Ron Paul is my candidate and I am going to vote for him.

 

[JK/SEA]

the number to look at when all is said and done with regards to voting is the final percentages. Tally up Ron's write in percentage, Gary Johnson votes and all the other 3rd party candidates, and that will give you the amount of people who are truly awake, and how far we've come and how far we need to go.

 

[Madison320]

I really have a problem with Johnson people coming into Ron's forum and calling Ron's supporters cultlike for wanting to vote for Ron. Vote for Gary if you like. I think it is a suboptimal decision, but I don't go everywhere telling people not to do it.

I'm not a Gary Johnson person. I'm a libertarian. I'm also a Ron Paul supporter, in fact I know a lot more about Ron Paul than Gary Johnson. I just don't see how a write in vote helps in any way down the road. I think I've heard that Ron Paul says this as well.

I'm not calling everyone cult like, but there are a few on this site. Like the guy who said Gary Johnson was "a lesser evil" earlier in this thread.

 

[Captain Shays]

In NC that is certainly the case. They will give the number of write-ins but only count them for specific people if they register for the write in.

Thats what we have going on here in New Jersey. Since Ron Paul didn't file they simply won't count the write in's here

 

[sailingaway]

Thats what we have going on here in New Jersey. Since Ron Paul didn't file they simply won't count the write in's here

I think they have to count them, but not assign them to a name. As in X thousand 'other' but not split them up.

 

[CPUd]

I'm not a Gary Johnson person. I'm a libertarian. I'm also a Ron Paul supporter, in fact I know a lot more about Ron Paul than Gary Johnson. I just don't see how a write in vote helps in any way down the road. I think I've heard that Ron Paul says this as well.

I'm not calling everyone cult like, but there are a few on this site. Like the guy who said Gary Johnson was "a lesser evil" earlier in this thread.

Think of it this way - it may not be immediately obvious how many people wrote in a particular candidate, but it will be immediately obvious to those counting the votes how many people didn't vote for a candidate listed on the ballot. This applies to all 50 states.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm not a Gary Johnson person. I'm a libertarian. I'm also a Ron Paul supporter, in fact I know a lot more about Ron Paul than Gary Johnson. I just don't see how a write in vote helps in any way down the road. I think I've heard that Ron Paul says this as well.

I'm not calling everyone cult like, but there are a few on this site. Like the guy who said Gary Johnson was "a lesser evil" earlier in this thread.

People can have that opinion without being cultlike. Cultlike is an attack.

 

[jcannon98188]

I'm not a Gary Johnson person. I'm a libertarian. I'm also a Ron Paul supporter, in fact I know a lot more about Ron Paul than Gary Johnson. I just don't see how a write in vote helps in any way down the road. I think I've heard that Ron Paul says this as well.

I'm not calling everyone cult like, but there are a few on this site. Like the guy who said Gary Johnson was "a lesser evil" earlier in this thread.

GJ IS a lesser evil. I don't agree with him on everything. Certain things he is for, I am not. He is far less evil than OBamney, but still does not meet my minimal requirement.

 

[MozoVote]

I wrote in Ron Paul because I was disappointed with Johnson's campaign. And he should not have passed up a winnable senate seat.

I am not a cultist. I was even telling my family after the Supreme Court upheld ObamaCare that I would grudgingly support Romney. The RNC rules debacle scotched my vote.

 

[Madison320]

GJ IS a lesser evil. I don't agree with him on everything. Certain things he is for, I am not. He is far less evil than OBamney, but still does not meet my minimal requirement.

Wipe that kool-aid off your chin!