New Hampshire bill to put secession on the ballot

Update 12/17/2021: The Independence Amendment has received the official designation **"CACR 32;"** its precise **text** appears here: https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/lsr_search/billText.aspx?id=1336&type=4
Authorities have assigned it to the **"State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs" committee**, where it should receive its first hearing in early 2022. Meanwhile activists speculate that this represents a new **period of danger for the amendment**, as committee members may come under "**behind the scenes**" pressure to **fatally change its wording**. However, the committee clerk is State Rep Susan DeLemus, whose husband Jerry was **SWAT-teamed by the Feds** at his home in Rochester, NH around 2015. Considered by many a political prisoner, Washington held him for roughly 5 years in connection with his presence at the Bundy Ranch standoffs out west.
 
https://freekeene.com/2021/12/22/nh-independence-referendum-let-the-people-vote-lte/

NH Independence Referendum – Let the people vote! (LTE)

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Above: Here’s what NH Independence is competing with…the U.S. government and its torture chambers.

Below is a letter-to-editor I e-mailed to the Keene Sentinel a week ago…It does not yet appear to have published there, so here is a copy.

Dear editors at the Sentinel:

This is a response to your editorial against the New Hampshire Independence Amendment, which – if passed – would let all NH citizens vote in a referendum on whether we continue to be ruled by Washington. Why do you think this issue should be decided by dead war criminals rather than your neighbors, arguably acting within the rules laid out in the U.S. Constitution? Though silent on independence, it reads: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Well here we are, trying to peaceably exercise these powers through the state house, then the polls…what’s there to be against other than D.C. and its enablers in the press?

Grrr…sorry to get so blunt…the Sentinel seems one of the few papers that still has some independence and frontpage/editorial separation. You deserve respect for the fact that I can say this without likelihood you will suppress the letter. But ultimately it’s questionable when a proposed vote on “who should govern where” is treated as Forbidden and Shocking…but starting five wars since 2011 is just business as usual. Write your congressman; vote for a different chickenhawk. Don’t color outside the lines, don’t imitate the successful Estonian or Gandhian independence drives.

The Washington empire, like Moscow and London before it…has made independence look good by abusing the people who live under its domination. It has turned most New Hampshirites against the central government, which has an approval rating hovering somewhere between that of syphilis and leprosy. But an informal September poll by the state’s largest paper showed support for the Independence Amendment at 71%.

If D.C. didn’t want an independence drive in New Hampshire, it wouldn’t have shut down four square blocks of residential Keene to put a drone through the window of America’s #25 talk show. It would not have exacerbated shortages by demanding most New Hampshirites submit to medical experimentation as a condition of employment. It would not have used our tax dollars to run a TORTURE CHAMBER at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.

Google *these* FedCrimes, and explain to us again why you think rule by Washington is more desirable than rule by Concord.

Best,

Dave Ridley
NHexit.com
Winchester
 
https://forum.shiresociety.com/t/nh...edes-house-hearing-on-exit-referendum/13045/2


NH Independence demonstration scheduled Jan 20 Concord. Precedes House hearing on “Exit Referendum”

Post from Chris Wade on Telegram:

" We are holding a rally in advance of the hearing on New Hampshire Independence. The rally will be on Thursday January 20th starting at 2PM. The hearing will follow inside the legislative building at 3:30PM. The address is 33 N State St, Concord, NH. The room of the hearing is 302-304."

So my understanding is this demonstration will be right behind the state house. The legislation is called CACR 32; going before the state-Federal relations committee. This is to be their first public hearing, focused on listening to the public. It's arguably your first chance to actually strike at the root of your problems...Federal rule over NH. There will be attempts to make it your last chance.

The committee will eventually be deciding whether to recommend that the people be allowed to vote in a referendum on NH Independence. More details to follow, I'll begin promoting this demonstration and inviting people shortly.

The hearing is likely to be continued at a future date...if there is not time to hear all the testimony. If they want to suppress turnout, then they would probably continue it to the following day so be on the lookout for something happening Jan 21 as well. However thus far all the state house folks I'm aware of have handled this in an open-handed manner. When Texas folks tried this type of legislation they never even made it to a committee hearing.
 
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All the massholes that moved up will never let this happen.

I don't know much about NH politics but I assume you are correct.

In the case that you are correct, I hope the FSP learns this quickly, and begins efforts to secede on the city/county level or whatever other jurisdiction they can get 60-70% support.

Of course such a suggestion will bring forward the common refrain "the US will just invade" but one cannot let one's life be dictated by fear.
 
I will say this however. If the FSP were to declare independence (at any jurisdiction, state, county, city, or otherwise), I would pack up my bags and move to support it as soon as I were able.

I'm probably not the only one.
 
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interfere with those who are doing it. Of course, it probably won't pass on the first attempt but just getting it to committee puts us in the lead over all the other states when it comes to independence. Meanwhile Quebec and Scotland have achieved many of their objectives with "failed" independence drives, we'll see if we can do that.

Regarding our brothers and sisters who are joining us from Mass: scientific Union Leader poll and Jason Sorens' ideological map of NH indicate that Mass immigrants tend to be conservative ( which isn't perfect but usually allies them with us).
 
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interfere with those who are doing it. Of course, it probably won't pass on the first attempt but just getting it to committee puts us in the lead over all the other states when it comes to independence. Meanwhile Quebec and Scotland have achieved many of their objectives with "failed" independence drives, we'll see if we can do that.

Regarding our brothers and sisters who are joining us from Mass: scientific Union Leader poll and Jason Sorens' ideological map of NH indicate that Mass immigrants tend to be conservative ( which isn't perfect but usually allies them with us).

It absolutely can be done. Just not necessarily at the state level. If the FSP thinks it can be done at the state level, then by all means - pursue that. But I would encourage you to not let some arbitrarily defined jurisdiction prevent you from achieving the independence you are looking for.
 
Those who say it cannot be done should not interfere with those who are doing it. Of course, it probably won't pass on the first attempt but just getting it to committee puts us in the lead over all the other states when it comes to independence. Meanwhile Quebec and Scotland have achieved many of their objectives with "failed" independence drives, we'll see if we can do that.

Regarding our brothers and sisters who are joining us from Mass: scientific Union Leader poll and Jason Sorens' ideological map of NH indicate that Mass immigrants tend to be conservative ( which isn't perfect but usually allies them with us).

Not interfering. I just know better and am jaded. Living in Maine I saw what the massholes who move up are capable of. They bring all their crap with them. There are more of them in NH who will never let this pass.
 
Ya some of us just don't do the hostility thing against Mass. immigrants... NH welcomed me as an immigrant when I was working in texas and moved here from there. and it has a reputation of being welcoming overall, that's why libertarians picked it. As for getting a smaller or bigger place to break away or achieve liberty... smaller or bigger than a state...(?)

well, okay I guess let us know what is going on with that but for now this NH liberty/independence project is what we have to work with and none of the others seem to have made as much progress.
 
~75 NH Independence activists pack House hearing on leaving the Union

Details:
https://forum.shiresociety.com/t/nh...des-house-hearing-on-exit-referendum/13045/13

“Republican lawmakers are so caught up in their disdain for America that they seem to think Granite Staters share their contempt for our country,” Rep. Renny Cushing, the House Democratic leader, wrote in a press release. “This proposal to secede from the United States is the most unpatriotic piece of legislation I have ever seen come through the New Hampshire House.

State Rep. Israel Piedra, D-Manchester, said while he was pleased with the vote, he found the committee discussion “eye-opening and very troubling.

“In our discussion, some Republican members were more concerned with whether secession from the United States could be successfully implemented than with the concept itself. The committee chair, a member of House Republican leadership, said he agreed with the concept of secession and lamented how that a sufficient plan does not currently exist to carry it out.
- NHPR

Obviously our argument is that it's Constitutional and authorized by the 10th Amendment, which reads:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
 
My local state rep was quoted in the Boston Globe last year calling people that supported this "crazy".

His dad stopped by the house campaigning for him, and I told him about that, and how I never got a reply from my SWLODs to him about it.

His dad had him call me and we had a pretty good debate about the subject.

He lost his primary.

:D
 
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