New Blog: How should we Vote if Ron Paul is *NOT* the GOP Nominee???

[MJU1983]

If those are my choices I wouldn't vote.

 

[BSU kid]

A socialist or a neocon....no to both. How could this even be a legit poll on this site?

 

[CaptUSA]

A socialist or a neocon....no to both. How could this even be a legit poll on this site?

Yeah, no kidding. I refuse to participate in this poll the same way I would refuse to participate in an election if those were my only two options.

 

[VanBummel]

I can't decide which is worse...

With Obama we will be more likely to lose gun freedoms, and have increased taxes and debt, and more government healthcare; granted, Romney won't be much better.

With Romney we will be more likely to go to war with Iran, and Republicans will 'ruber stamp' debt increases and Romneycare; granted, Obama won't be much better.

Either way we'll see large increases to the police/surveillance state, and large restrictions on personal freedom. For this reason, I won't be voting for either, for what that's worth.

It's just like South Park...either way you're getting stuck with a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwhich.

 

[No1butPaul]

I've always said I would write-in Ron Paul, but it seems that may not be an option with our ballots. Anyway, upon greater reflection, I've decided to hold off on my decision and see if Ron Paul supporters can come to any consensus about moving our numbers in the same direction to have any influence. Right now, everyone is talking about doing something different ... this only offers the threat of maybe taking some numbers away from Romney, but if he jumps ahead of Obama by a similar percentage, all of our protests may seem meaningless.

I don't know, it's early in the morning (yawn), but still, just want to wait awhile before I commit to do anything.

 

[Brett85]

To be completely honest, I'm secretly hoping that Romney wins, but I just can't bring myself to actually vote for him. I just don't want to feel responsible for all of the policies that Romney will put in place that I'll disagree with. I would rather have a clear conscience. I also live in a non swing state where my vote won't make any difference anyway. I could vote for Donald Duck and it wouldn't make any difference.

 

[tbone717]

I've always said I would write-in Ron Paul, but it seems that may not be an option with our ballots. Anyway, upon greater reflection, I've decided to hold off on my decision and see if Ron Paul supporters can come to any consensus about moving our numbers in the same direction to have any influence. Right now, everyone is talking about doing something different ... this only offers the threat of maybe taking some numbers away from Romney, but if he jumps ahead of Obama by a similar percentage, all of our protests may seem meaningless.

I hear you, but reading through this site over the last month or so, I think it will be nearly impossible for the majority to vote in one direction or another. I think the hardcore Paul support will be split in four or five different directions as far as the vote goes, and likely still several different directions as to what we do moving forward from this election year.

 

[jmdrake]

if you don't want stupid stupid polls getting deleted, then how about you offer options in your poll such as:

1) write Paul in
or
2) I won't vote
or even
3) vote 3rd party.

your subject line says 'how should we vote' but your question is about 'who would we prefer'. get it straight.

Yep. Stupid poll is stupid. There's no way in hell I will "strategically" vote for either Romney or Obama. And I will feel fine the morning after the election no matter which of those two losers wins. If Romney wins than it will at least shut up the Obamabots I know for a while. (I'll never hear the end of them if Obama gets a 2nd term unless the economy totally implodes and he is impeached). If Obama wins then it will shut up the teocons who said "We've got to vote for Romney because he can beat Obama." So it's a win win for me.

 

[TrishW]

I'm still voting Ron Paul!!

 

[No1butPaul]

I hear you, but reading through this site over the last month or so, I think it will be nearly impossible for the majority to vote in one direction or another. I think the hardcore Paul support will be split in four or five different directions as far as the vote goes, and likely still several different directions as to what we do moving forward from this election year.

I agree, that is what seems likely to happen. But, you never know ... maybe Ron Paul will try to lead us in one direction and if he gives us a good reason, maybe we can keep our numbers together and actually have some influence in this election. Hard to imagine, I know, but time will tell.

 

[tbone717]

I agree, that is what seems likely to happen. But, you never know ... maybe Ron Paul will try to lead us in one direction and if he gives us a good reason, maybe we can keep our numbers together and actually have some influence in this election. Hard to imagine, I know, but time will tell.

I'll make the full poll with all available candidates, see what kind of results come of it.

 

[jmdrake]

Okay. I just read the blog post. And the OP said this.

So no, don't vote for Obama, but also don't vote for Romney. Vote third party (preferably Libertarian, since Gary Johnson, the LP candidate, will be on the ballot of all 50 states, and the LP is the largest third party in the US). Accept the very strong probability that Obama would win as a result of us voting this way - but realize the benefits of this happening.

Ummm....that's what most everybody else is saying! Hardly anyone is planning on voting for Romney.

 

[Dr.3D]

I'm still trying to figure out how we came to have a party system. Why can't a whole flock of names be on the ballot and let people pick the one they would like?

 

[XTreat]

He isn't asking who you will vote for. He is asking is it preferable if Romney or Obama wins the election.

I personally think a Obama win is preferable.

 

[libertyjam]

I can't decide which is worse...

With Obama we will be more likely to lose gun freedoms, and have increased taxes and debt, and more government healthcare; granted, Romney won't be much better.

With Romney we will be more likely to go to war with Iran, and Republicans will 'ruber stamp' debt increases and Romneycare; granted, Obama won't be much better.

Either way we'll see large increases to the police/surveillance state, and large restrictions on personal freedom. For this reason, I won't be voting for either, for what that's worth.

It's just like South Park...either way you're getting stuck with a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwhich.

I agree, it is a conundrum. I will not be able to stomach voting for either of these choices, that is what I know.

This seems as good a place as any to post something I ran across, a tea-party website, though. Anyone think it deserves a thread?

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- A new “green” stimulus program and the founding of a federal “green” bank or “Energy Independence Trust,” which would borrow from the federal treasury to provide low-cost financing to private-sector investments in “clean energy.”

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[KEEF]

Wrong. Obama has already done more damage in 4 years than Romney could do in 8. The Overton window has moved way Left. That is the game. Once the window is moved in the direction of govt, it stays that way. Look at Europe. It doesn't matter which Party gets in. It's only about which Party is going to control the big monster.

So in order to have a chance of winning, the window must be slowed down.

Except if Romney wins, then I don't see us having a chance to put a legitimate Liberty-minded candidate on the ballot until 2020. That is unless we find one to run as a democrat and run a Red Republican movement for 2016 (...and no I do not foresee this coming to fruition)

 

[CaseyJones]

don't put this in RPGC

 

[tbone717]

I'm still trying to figure out how we came to have a party system. Why can't a whole flock of names be on the ballot and let people pick the one they would like?

Primarily because we are one of the few nations that has a primary process.

 

[tbone717]

Except if Romney wins, then I don't see us having a chance to put a legitimate Liberty-minded candidate on the ballot until 2020. That is unless we find one to run as a democrat and run a Red Republican movement for 2016 (...and no I do not foresee this coming to fruition)

The other side of the argument being that we have 8 years then to build support for a candidate for the nomination, all the while continuing to increase the number of liberty candidates we have in the House and Senate. If Cruz and Bills make the senate this year, a few more each in 2014, 2016 and 2018 - right out of the gate in 2020 Rand (if he is the one to run) could have a dozen or so Senate endorsements.

 

[pcosmar]

The other side of the argument being that we have 8 years

Assumes facts not in evidence.