New Blog: How should we Vote if Ron Paul is *NOT* the GOP Nominee???

[trey4sports]

whichever campaign pays me more to stuff their lit. in a communal dumpster.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I know where you stand on that, but honestly I have heard the "we won't have 4 more years" stuff so many times in my life, I cannot begin to count it. Nonetheless, with all the doom and gloom predictions, I have still managed to build two successful businesses and establish a very nice life for my family in spite of everything that has gone on in the world.

So, whether Romney or Obama wins in November it won't change what I do as an activist. I will still continue to fight for what I believe in and work locally to elect liberty minded candidates to office.

Precisely why I intend to write in RP.

In fact, if I were to look at it strictly from my own personal POV, I would be inclined to vote Obama, since right now, I've never made as much money in my life as I am right now.

Then again, Romney could make changes that may impact my business in positive way as well.

But I realize that neither of these clowns has very much impact on that aspect of my life.

Where they do have real influence: whether my son will have to fight in a bloody war for empire, whether I will be placed under more surveillance in the coming year, what my savings in dollars will be worth in the future, they are both exactly the same.

Thus, No One But Paul.

 

[Humanae Libertas]

Vote for peace by not voting at all.

 

[Aratus]

-----> me really likes gary johnson

-----> my mitt vote split things 77.77 v. 22.22

-----> i may stay home in november

 

[pcosmar]

Vote for peace by not voting at all.

That only insures that another choice will be imposed upon you.
A large part of the problem IMHO,, the minority votes for this shit as it is.

Even a write in vote for "none of the above" registers disapproval.
And certainly shit may still be imposed,,

But I will not vote FOR it,, nor will I remain silent in the face of it.

 

[kahless]

It is like a choice between Hitler and Stalin. However I realize under Obama there is no chance of any improvement in health insurance rates. Due to Obama, for the first time in my life I cannot afford health insurance and if I cancel it I am looking at tax penalties.

I already had a 30% health insurance rate increase this year that my carrier attributes to Obamacare. Now they are asking for another 25% increase. It is already unaffordable but if I drop my insurance I will be receive the Obamacare tax penalties next year.

 

[DamianTV]

I slightly disagree. Since we are all well aware that our past presidents did not hold the real power, we should be aware that regardless of the outcome of an Obama / Romney election, the real power is in the hands of a small group of dominant men that operate above the position of President; The BANKS. The REAL Owners of this country.

I dont think it would make any difference if people went to the polls or not. Maybe we should even boycott the staged election. One of the other problems of the election is we the people will not be given the chance to vote on anything of any real importance. We are given a chance to vote on things that we are told are important, when all we are doing is choosing between Coke and Pepsi. We vote to get rid of Red Light Cameras, some judge will come along and overrule the vote of the people. The votes that do have influence are made by those that Represent the Power Interests, and those that make the important votes are mostly bought and paid for.

I'd say Boycott the Illusory Election!

 

[Sentient Void]

There's been a massive, vast majority boycott of the electoral process for decades if not at least the past century. How has that worked out so far? But I addressed this, as well as writing-in Ron Paul, and even the non-voting position, in the article.

So many responses to this thread are so dense, though. Clearly only a few have actually read the article - and far more simply knee-jerk reacted to the thread title and/or the poll completely out of the context of the article, which is exactly what I'm calling for in regards to the poll. I mean, there are about 1000 views on this thread with less than a day on the boards, and only 300 views of the article (which include I'm sure a decent amount of views from the others places in my social network that I linked it).

How do some of you (not all) expect to seriously discuss the issues with people who initially *disagree* with you, when you can't even discuss things with people who *AGREE* right off the bat?

Sheesh. Read the article!

Thanks to those who took everything properly in context and read what I'm implying, here. Seriously.

 

[Sentient Void]

Yep. Stupid poll is stupid.

The fact is, one of these two outcomes are above and beyond the most probable outcomes. If you actually *read* the article, and take the poll in context, *which the poll calls for*, you'll see that I'm not saying which one people should vote for, but that which one is more preferable for fostering a growing liberty movement, and which outcome may end up hurting more than helping.

I'm not even saying that the discussion is settled, that this is how it is and that's that, et cetera - I'm saying we *need* to have this discussion, and position ourselves accordingly. I'm open to the alternative that Romney is a better outcome (and could potentially be convinced of this), but I just really don't think that is the case.

So no, poll isn't 'stupid' - it's perfectly relevant within the context of this discussion.

If you want to make yourselves simply feel better - you can make a poll with all of the other questions. But this will accomplish nothing. We will be much mroe a potent force if we engage in legitimate discourse based on the reality of our situation, and focus-fire out effort.

 

[Sentient Void]

don't put this in RPGC

Where the hell am I supposed to put it? It needs to be in front of traffic. I tried putting it in General Politics, but *noooooo* - the 'moderators' instead decided to delete it. We can't have any real, critical discussion on anything! It's ridiculous.

Tell whichever moderator that deleted my thread I said thanks, BTW.

 

[Anti Federalist]

§656:12 Write-in Blanks

At the end of the list of candidates for each office, there shall be left as many blank lines as there are offices to be filled which a voter may use to write in the name of any person for whom the voter desires to vote.

http://nhrsa.org/law/656-12-write-in-blanks/

NH write ins.

1) A divided, gridlocked government is certainly preferable to one that is mostly if not totally controlled by the Statist, militarist, hypocrite GOP (I think Republicans will probably end up taking control of the Senate as well as holding the House, or at least holding the House).

2) When the proverbial shit really starts to hit the fan under Obama - at least the dems and everyone can't say, 'See?! See what happens when you elect and institute free market policies?!'. Clearly, none of the policies would be free market ones, but we all know a Romney presidency will be painted that way, regardless.

3) The GOP establishment deserves the punishment of not having our votes and thus losing to Obama (while I wouldn't vote for Obama, I certainly won't vote for Romney) due to their heavy use of dirty tricks and treating Paul and Paul supporters... This will set in the reality that they need us, and that without us (independents, libertarians, constitutionalists, and old-school conservatives), they will rarely, if ever, win the presidency again.

Also, see the article 'Ron Paul Supporters are a Scourge on the Republican Party' for more context...
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.p...publican-Party

4) If the GOP wins, they will be encouraged to continue to do what they've always done.

5) It would make for good entertainment just to see the GOP establishment go apoplectic over a second term for Obama

All valid points, as to why a vote for Obamney is pointless.

The idea that write ins won't convey a message is the only thing that I might take issue with.

As I and others have noted, the percentages are usually figured down to .01

If, all of a sudden, 5 to 10 percent of the GOP dried up and blew away in November, I think it would be pretty clear where they went.

That said, I would not discourage voting for Johnson at all.

 

[Sentient Void]

AF - do you plan on voting for Johnson, writing in Ron Paul, or staying home?